So Now That We Know What To Expect From Bioware...

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VoidWanderer said:
13. Bertrand says 'The End'.

There you go, list complete!
14. "*charactername* has become a legend by defeating the darkspawn. Now you continue to build that legend through further game play and downloadable content.
 

The Madman

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Or you could simply not buy the game and never find out, dream happy thoughts, and pretend everything turned out well?

Seriously if you dislike what Bioware is doing so much stop talking about them and giving them free word of mouth, then stop buying from them and stop giving them direct support for what they're doing. In time if enough people do so either Bioware will be forced to change and adapt, or they'll fail. Personally I'd hope for the first option.

Problem is right now people are happy to let them get away with it, 'it' in this case being whatever the problem is. Being cynical in forums means little when you've already bought the game and are probably going to buy more.
 

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The Madman said:
Or you could simply not buy the game and never find out, dream happy thoughts, and pretend everything turned out well?

Seriously if you dislike what Bioware is doing so much stop talking about them and giving them free word of mouth, then stop buying from them and stop giving them direct support for what they're doing. In time if enough people do so either Bioware will be forced to change and adapt, or they'll fail. Personally I'd hope for the first option.

Problem is right now people are happy to let them get away with it, 'it' in this case being whatever the problem is. Being cynical in forums means little when you've already bought the game and are probably going to buy more.
This is what I plan to do... aside from the whole buy more. BUY being the operative word
 

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Sargent Hoofbeat said:
This is what I plan to do... aside from the whole buy more. BUY being the operative word
I hope that wasn't a sly reference to piracy, because that's pretty much just as bad as buying the game. If it wasn't, my apologies. But just in case it was I'll point out that with a developer of 200+ staff and publisher with hundreds more there *are* people who's entire job is to track software piracy. Many, many people tend to not realize this. And whether right or wrong those figures are used to determine interest in a game/property.

If for example only a moderate number of people bought the game but it was pirated like crazy, their response will likely be something along the lines of; 'oh they love this property but they're scumbags, now we just need to find a way to force them to pay while changing nothing about how we make games... oh I know, extreme DRM. Brilliant!'

And thus everything for everyone is made worse in every way. Fantastic.

The best thing a gamer who wants to make a protest can do is to ignore the developer/publisher/whatever. Don't give them money, don't give them attention. That strikes much harder than any online petition or pirated game can ever do.
 

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The Madman said:
Ok, so if, Hypothetically, I was talking about pirating games, and one of the reasons I'm now pirating in this hypothetical scenario was the fact that pirated games has no DRM as opposed to "extreme DRM", and say other people were having the same hypotheses in this hypothetical situation, there may be a correlation between increased DRM and increased piracy.

The people who crack the DRM love the challenge, the harder the DRM the happier the crackers are.

And I don't so much love the property as I am addicted... soo~ I'm getting my fix, the best you can hope for is me to say "fuck the police" as I do it
 

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To anyone planning on chiming in on the topic: no, I don't plan to actually buy DA3. And no, I don't give a rat's ass if you believe me. I uninstalled my DA games and deleted the saves a while ago. This was written purely for my own amusement, and I apparently got a few chuckles from some other people.

So as far as I'm concerned, I accomplished what I set out to do. If you'd like to ***** and moan about it, feel free. But please don't try to read intent into what I'm saying or make guesses about my personal life. It's just petty, and I read about 1/10th of it.
 

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In my opinion, this is what we should expect from Bioware:

"So, DA3?"
"Fuck off."
"What?"
"Everything we do, we get complaints."
"But-"
"And now EA owns us, people will just use that as an excuse to *****."

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
 

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I don't know...the Dragon Age team seemed to listen to their fans. Or at least the Dragon Age II team did. Playing the two DLCs for it (Legacy and Mark), not only do they fix a lot of the complaints that people had about the game, they even poke fun at themselves for making those mistakes. There's hope yet for the third game.
 

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Sniper Team 4 said:
I don't know...the Dragon Age team seemed to listen to their fans. Or at least the Dragon Age II team did. Playing the two DLCs for it (Legacy and Mark), not only do they fix a lot of the complaints that people had about the game, they even poke fun at themselves for making those mistakes. There's hope yet for the third game.
Hope is the first step towards disappointment my friend.
 

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dragonswarrior said:
Well, that was actually a lot of fun to read.

Sure, filled with bitterness, disappointment, and anger.

But fun!!

Captcha: marry me

Your answer? Yes!!
I now pronounce you Escapist and Captcha! You may now fill in the text box!

Vault101 said:
so this isnt actually about Dragon age 3 is it....
Nope... Mass Effect 3 thread it is!

Personally, I'm going to wait and see. I don't have my hopes up that it will be amaazing, but while 2 was not amazing, it wasn't bad either and I had fun. Same with Origins, actually, asside from tons of dialogue choice it wasn't exactly the shining diamond in the rough of game design. It really was designed from concept to be Baldur's Gate 3, they just lost the rights to call it that before they finished.
 

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spectrenihlus said:
Where is the option to merge darkspawn with the other races?
More likely (and I didn't miss the joke, do not bring it up) a possibility will be to undo the curse that turned the Tevinter mages into darkspawn. And that actually seems pretty pllausable for a choice: kill 'em all, or cure 'em all.
 

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Nieroshai said:
spectrenihlus said:
Where is the option to merge darkspawn with the other races?
More likely (and I didn't miss the joke, do not bring it up) a possibility will be to undo the curse that turned the Tevinter mages into darkspawn. And that actually seems pretty pllausable for a choice: kill 'em all, or cure 'em all.
Im thinking more of a "spread The architect's magic freeing the darkspawn BS over all the dakrspawn with its effectiveness depedant on if you let him live or not" senario
 

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Sargent Hoofbeat said:
Ok, so if, Hypothetically, I was talking about pirating games, and one of the reasons I'm now pirating in this hypothetical scenario was the fact that pirated games has no DRM as opposed to "extreme DRM", and say other people were having the same hypotheses in this hypothetical situation, there may be a correlation between increased DRM and increased piracy.

The people who crack the DRM love the challenge, the harder the DRM the happier the crackers are.

And I don't so much love the property as I am addicted... soo~ I'm getting my fix, the best you can hope for is me to say "fuck the police" as I do it
Pirating doesn't protest anything. The publishers and developers can't read minds, they don't know why someone pirated something, all they're capable of knowing is that someone did. Someone who presumably (whether correct or not) like the game enough to download it but were to cheap to pay for it.

Thus DRM. Not only that but hostile development teams and publishers as well, people who treat the consumer like a target rather than as a customer. No reason to change either, why bother changing when the formula clearly works it's just people are cheap?

So no, piracy solves nothing and makes everything worse. It's only a game, you can live without. And if you do really care then you're only being abusive and encouraging bad habits by pirating the product.