So Prop. 19 didnt go through (the one about Legalizing Marijuana)

[Jonabob87]

3 REALLY good reasons for legalizing drugs:
1. Crime organizations lose their main source of income, making it harder for them to commit heavier/real crime.
2. Less people in jail = less money YOU have to pay for people living in jail.
3. Adults have the right to their own body. If I can chop of my own arm, if I can fill my body full of fat, there is no good reason why I shouldn't be allowed to get stoned at home. As long as I'm not drugged whilst:
- Working
- Driving
- Taking Care of People
- At public events
- Public Transit.
Basically, same rules would apply for drugs as rules apply for being drunk or tobacco smoking.

I'm a bit late in saying this but...

That's bullshit, Criminal Organisations will simply drop their prices to lower than what official or government vendors are selling it for. Thus making it more accuessible to children and young adults.

Do you honestly think criminals just think "Oh well, my game is up!" don't be fecking ridiculous.

So you want drug dealers let out of jail? Oh you're smart, because obviously dealing is the only cirminal activity they'd be interested in. Even if it did stop them selling it, if you're acclimated to a lifestyle of breaking the law you need to be rehabilitated or you'll continue that way.

On your third point, you're basically comparing getting high to injuring yourself or putting yourself in danger of heart desease. So you think that it's bad? Yeah I agree. One of my best friends from school died this year due to drug overdose, guess where it started? Smoking cannabis at breaks in school. The other guy we hung around with spent 2 years of his life sitting in his home stoned, then going to work stoned, then coming home and staying stoned. (His work is manual). Sure cannabis isn't dangerous, sure.

The fact that there are so many myths and bullshit lies about how it isn't dangerous is what makes it dangerous. Alongside the fact that it gives a false sense of contentment, thus dulling your desire to do things that will make you ACTUALLY content.


:Edit: I knew America was stock full of dreadful comedians but that George Carlin thing was painful.

 

[QuantumT]

:Edit: I knew America was stock full of dreadful comedians but that George Carlin thing was painful.

I actually like that one less than just about anything else of his I've ever seen. I recommend you check out some of his other stuff. Keep mind that's he's frequently virtually always being hyperbolic.

 

[HotFezz8]

Sorry fellow Californians, Marijuana is STILL illegal
Proposition 19
No 3,826,487 53.8%
Yes 3,297,590 46.2%

Total votes 7124077

i guess California is still as ass-backwards as ever, especially since it was SHOWN that this would generate tax revenue for the government that they could have given to schools or to fixing roads.

EDIT: Removed some stuff to force people to discuss the ACTUAL ISSUE and not troll on me.

damn, what ignorant twats. clearly, if so many people disagree with you (600,000) after you have explained how great it is, that must mean there are 600,000 dickheads in your state. can you believe their fucking impertanance?? NOT AGREEING with YOU?? how dare they!

i agree, what ignorant fuckwits they all must be.

 

[Spy_Guy]

So you didn't vote, but you're complaining about the outcome? You realize if you DID vote you could have made a difference, and I can guarantee the people who fall into the "I don't vote" category is huge. People who don't vote shouldn't complain about the outcome. You didn't do your part to make a difference, or even attempt to, so why should you be bothered about how it went?

Somewhat this.

That said, ignoring a 'minority' of 46.2% is quite stupid. But I suppose that's just another one of the places where democracy fails >.>

Democracy fails? How?

You can keep some people happy all the time, or all people happy some of the time, but not both.

If you're going to claim that "democracy fails" due to following the majority then what kind of self-centered version of democracy do you abide by?

However, to be honest, I get the feeling you're just disappointed in the outcome here, because I strongly doubt you'd have said the same thing if the 53% were FOR the legalization of marijuana.
One thing, I'm sure of, however, is that you'd be voicing your "democracy fails" opinion even louder, if there was a 53%-46% result in favor of legalization, and the prop didn't go through anyway.

It's true that democracy fails on occasion and, at least in small controlled environments a benevolent dictatorship is best, because people are and will always be dumb little sheepies.
However this is not what we have today, and as such, if you have a vote it would be strange for them to go "screw the results, I wanna grow pot!" and legalize.

 

[struwwelman]

Yeah, if you don't even bother to vote, then you forfeit the right to complain about the outcome.

This.

Even if you go and intentionally spoil your ballot to register your hatred of the system, you should still go.

 

[Sneaklemming]

Give it 2 years. I heard it was a significant defeat though... odd the way it's reported.

Still if its a 10% difference - you can technically call it "significant" any less than that and you're in the "almost" territory.

 

[Cid Silverwing]

YEAH!! Awesome!

 

[neoontime]

Well, that's what happens, the masses don't like something so they vote against it. You should vote next time.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

ACTUALLY, by FDA standards today, aspirin would not have passed clinical trials. The stuff literally rots your insides.

This is what upsets people. Smoking, against aspirin, is far less worse (you can't really say better).

Alcohol too, would be a reasonable drug if the Government actually put a pimp hat on and patrolled it. But they're too busy thinking about that lovely money rolling in, while they continue smoking away. (And even Obama inhaled, that was sort of the point)

I would vote for legalization only if it were restricted to bars and cafes that require ID and where you can't actually take any marijuana outside of the premises. Of course that won't stop the kids from getting it, but it will make it much harder to get.

See, if we're talking about this sort of thing, drug use is only legalized in CONTROLLED areas with proof of your wish to use it, I can't see a problem with any drug, including crystal meth, being used.

If the drug is pure, given in controlled amounts, recorded, and open to scientific study AWAY from the public, what harm will come to those apart from those that wish themselves harm?

Dying Cancer patient wants to go all Timothy Leary? Let them. Hippocratic oath isn't being broken, he's in for the ride of his life, and no-one has to suffer.
Bonus: Scientific study into curing the effects or using them.
Bonus: Revenue is added to the coffers to offset our taxes.

Reason it won't happen? People who "HATE" drugs and "HATE" anything to do with them.
Including understanding them. While taking their morning slug of caffeine and their evening slug of alcohol.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

marijuana not addictive? we all know that's just a damn lie. anyone who says "_____ isn't addictive" is in the deepest sort of denial. we can call say "alcohol isn't addictive" but does that make it true? hell no.

Nope.

It has little to no physical addiction, again less than sugar.
It does have a psychological/sociological addiction because it's "fun" though. In the same way that games playing, sports, exercise, sex, love and other serotonin/dopamine producers do.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Is-Marijuana-Addictive
http://addiction-dirkh.blogspot.com/2007/05/is-marijuana-addictive.html
http://www.spiritualriver.com/is-marijuana-addictive/

That's just the first three results for "is marijuana addictive" in Google. There's a chance you will get addicted to it, but only if you're an addictive personality. In which case you'll get addicted to anything with a "thrill" to it.

Side-effects: Well, it's not called "Dope" for nothing.

 

[ClassicJokester]

marijuana not addictive? we all know that's just a damn lie. anyone who says "_____ isn't addictive" is in the deepest sort of denial. we can call say "alcohol isn't addictive" but does that make it true? hell no.

I can say that pasta is not addictive, but does that make it true?
[EDIT: Man, ninja-d by the above post. Disregard the following if you want, they gave some good links.]
Cannabis does not form any physical dependencies. Any addiction is on the part of the user. It can make you feel good, and you can say it is addicting because you want more, but it is not physically difficult to stop using it (I should know), meaning if someone is "addicted" to it, they probably have some problems for which they turn to cannabis for relief, or solace, or whatever you want to call it.

The other guy we hung around with spent 2 years of his life sitting in his home stoned, then going to work stoned, then coming home and staying stoned. (His work is manual). Sure cannabis isn't dangerous, sure.

That sounds like that's a problem with that guy being dangerous and irresponsible on his own. If you can tell me that he wasn't making poor decisions such as those prior to using cannabis, I'll retract that statement. Use cannabis properly and at the right time, such as times where you might choose to get drunk instead of high.

 

[kurtzy23]

Marajuana can kill you if you use it it should stay illigal and never be a legal substance even if it can generate tax revenue. What are you going to teach primary school children that drugs are bad but here you go you can go smoke some anyway. Its great it got voted down.