So that Summer of Steven

[Cap'nPipsqueak]

The concept of the cluster is still pretty terrifying.

Someone took millions of broken minds, forced then together knowing that the shards would try to fuse just so they could be something and would destroy the planet in doing so and thought doing so was a good idea.

Even death wouldn't keep Homeworld from using their corpses as a weapon.

 

[Angelblaze]

wore yellowface./quote]

Didn't she costly as a Japanese character? That's considered racist now? If she had fake buck teeth and going "HERRO, ME RIKEY RIKEY" then yeah I'd say it's racist. But I've seen many non Asians putting on sailor uniforms and ship and they didn't get shot for it.

Also I remember they also tried to get the people working on the show fired for calling them out on their behavior saying the show is "theirs" now.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/f6208c6f7466cbb81c058661e236e20a/tumblr_nszv344u471u1ykl8o1_500.png
She painted her face white and put sticks in her hair. Cosplay or not, for most people there's a line: Go ahead and cosplay Lee from Walking Dead, don't be surprised if people think its blackface when you go overboard with the shoe polish.

Plus she's believed to have sent herself fake death threats, defended a pedophile, created (non explicit) sexual fanart and other listed things -- a majority of which *GASP* disappeared during and after the debacle (around the time the death threats that were confirmed as fake started which people have noted lines up with times that people would not have been able to send her messages in the fashion in which she claims she got the said deaththreats).

The entire thing fell out of control due to a troll blog that accumulated all of the 'evidence' to play the 'kind detective card', helped stoke the fire and then shut down without another word.

Link here to the second paragraph: http://lionkin.tumblr.com/post/132367895653/zamii070receipts-archive-racismstereotyping
And link to the now closed troll account here: http://zamii070receipts.tumblr.com/

The main reason I only say the whiteface and the women aren't real women arguement is because those are the only two strong and widely agreeable sources of info left. Everything else is either deleted or forgotten because this beef is so damn old.

The second issue is people acting entitled because others didn't behave how they liked: 1. not what we were originally talking about, 2. not something I can speak about since I wasn't on 'ground level', 3. something that happens a crap ton to individual people who speak on the internet, entire shows and even to myself working in customer service.

I only saw the non makeup pics. Still, you know you're defending Tumblr, right? The site that is infamous for killing fandoms and having the worst interface I've ever seen.

Please tell me about all the fun the r/nomanssky subreddit is having right now and if you want to talk bad interfaces...

Yeah, no man's sky still.
'Infamous for killing fandoms' ha--hahahaha.

On a side note: I'm not really defending tumblr. Every 'attack' you've launched on that site so far is either based on categorical falsehood or is something people on the internet just DO.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Haven't watched the show since the whole fan art debacle. Mainly cause I stopped watching tv. I would try to get back into it but I'm still a bit soured.

If you think that was bad, the latest controversy was one of the show team had left and deleted her Twitter account just cos she shipped certain characters (won't mention who since you're not up to date with the show) which some people went apeshit over it.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Jasper part.

If you think it was bad for Jasper, the interview with Rebecca Sugar on season 3 reveal something gut wrecking over her demise- http://www.thewrap.com/steven-universe-creator-rebecca-sugar-talks-lgbt-themes-teases-season-3/

On to other stuff. Didn't care for the Lars episode. Not because I don't like Lars, but because I feel that Steven crossed a serious line there. He said he was going to respect Lars' privacy, and then went around and basically tried to change his entire life. Yes, everyone liked the new Lars (save Sadie), but that was not okay. I know Steven was trying to be nice, but that episode made me very upset with him. "You're not living your life the way I want you to, so I'm going to fix it for you."

As for my take on that episode. I never really understand what make Lars tick despite we literally had some insight in his life. I think he want to be cool for doing nothing? He got great parent whose are passive in trying to raise his spirit and yet the cool kids view him to be lame? What I do liked about that episode was how wrong Steven was at unintentionally improving his life when he try to hook him up with Sadie. Sorry Steven but teen drama is more complicated as you think and it ain't a simple cartoon love struggle!

The late night talk show with Sardonyx was comedy gold, especially that joke about Sugulite's voice actor. Amazing. And it still managed to tug at your heart strings. When you hear Smoky start tearing herself down after failing at everything, it's hard to watch, because we know how good she is, but Steven and Amethyst are both full of so much self doubt that they don't believe it.

Yeah that episode was pure fanservice but I was confuse why it happened? I mean why did Garnet and Pearl fuse to assess Smoky Quartz abilities when she was literally borned a few minutes ago. (I mean the part when Sardonyx felt bad when they learn the cause of the Amethyst and Steven fusion was self pities).

Anyway, I'm glad we're still getting new episodes. I want to see what happens next, when a Diamond is going to show up on Earth, and when Lapis and Peridot are going to fuse. Because it's coming. It has to be coming. Please let it be coming.

I learn something intersting from the Back to the Moon episode. Those painting of the 4 Diamonds had circles in them which is a metaphor of the planets/ colonies they owned. Yellow and Blue had the same amount of planets and Pink literally only have one and a smaller one next to it (meaning Earth and the moon). White on the other hand has more planets than Yellow and Blue! Since we know nothing about her just yet, I starting to think she could be the real antagonist sorta like the true final boss in a rpg game!
https://mrdraklin.tumblr.com/post/149541063793/the-four-diamonds-of-steven-universe-re-edited

 

[RaikuFA]

wore yellowface./quote]

Didn't she costly as a Japanese character? That's considered racist now? If she had fake buck teeth and going "HERRO, ME RIKEY RIKEY" then yeah I'd say it's racist. But I've seen many non Asians putting on sailor uniforms and ship and they didn't get shot for it.

Also I remember they also tried to get the people working on the show fired for calling them out on their behavior saying the show is "theirs" now.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/f6208c6f7466cbb81c058661e236e20a/tumblr_nszv344u471u1ykl8o1_500.png
She painted her face white and put sticks in her hair. Cosplay or not, for most people there's a line: Go ahead and cosplay Lee from Walking Dead, don't be surprised if people think its blackface when you go overboard with the shoe polish.

Plus she's believed to have sent herself fake death threats, defended a pedophile, created (non explicit) sexual fanart and other listed things -- a majority of which *GASP* disappeared during and after the debacle (around the time the death threats that were confirmed as fake started which people have noted lines up with times that people would not have been able to send her messages in the fashion in which she claims she got the said deaththreats).

The entire thing fell out of control due to a troll blog that accumulated all of the 'evidence' to play the 'kind detective card', helped stoke the fire and then shut down without another word.

Link here to the second paragraph: http://lionkin.tumblr.com/post/132367895653/zamii070receipts-archive-racismstereotyping
And link to the now closed troll account here: http://zamii070receipts.tumblr.com/

The main reason I only say the whiteface and the women aren't real women arguement is because those are the only two strong and widely agreeable sources of info left. Everything else is either deleted or forgotten because this beef is so damn old.

The second issue is people acting entitled because others didn't behave how they liked: 1. not what we were originally talking about, 2. not something I can speak about since I wasn't on 'ground level', 3. something that happens a crap ton to individual people who speak on the internet, entire shows and even to myself working in customer service.

I only saw the non makeup pics. Still, you know you're defending Tumblr, right? The site that is infamous for killing fandoms and having the worst interface I've ever seen.

Please tell me about all the fun the r/nomanssky subreddit is having right now and if you want to talk bad interfaces...

Yeah, no man's sky still.
'Infamous for killing fandoms' ha--hahahaha.

On a side note: I'm not really defending tumblr. Every 'attack' you've launched on that site so far is either based on categorical falsehood or is something people on the internet just DO.

I would tell you, if I went on reddit.

I just know sites like Tumblr is known for amplifying the worst things about the Internet. Twitter too (see what Scarim Coral just said). This and nearly every other fan base needs to be policed. It's really getting out of hand.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

I learn something intersting from the Backto the Moon episode. Those painting of the 4 Diamonds had circles in them which is a metaphor of the planet/ colony they owned. Yellow and Blue had the same amount of planet and Pink literally only have one and a smaller one next to it (meaning Earth and the moon). White on the other hand has more planet than Yellow and Blue! Since we know nothing about her just yet, I starting to think she could be the real antagonist sorta like the final boss in a rpg game!

A girl that I work with said her boyfriend thought of something about White Diamond. White is always on top of the other Diamonds, so we're assuming she is the most powerful. What if White is actually a fusion of the other three Diamonds? What if that's the reason she's so much stronger than them, but also why we haven't seen her yet? Because without Pink, it's impossible for White to exist.
Taking it a step further--and going into crazy theory territory here--what if Lion is the remains of Pink? And what if Yellow and/or Blue find this out, and there's a battle for Lion. Lion is captured by the other Diamonds, and they use the shard/piece of Pink and reform White Diamond as a means to finally crush the Crystal Gems? (This is all assuming, of course, that Lion is somehow connected to Pink).

Because you're right. We've seen Yellow and Blue, and we know about Pink now, but White remains a mystery. We've only seen pictures of her in the background (it looks like she might be the one that Rose stood up to Sailor Moon-style), but she does seem to have a more...imposing figure than the others. So yeah, she's probably going to end up being the final boss they face. The question is just going to be, why is she so much stronger than the others? Was she the first Gem, or does she have a secret like Garnet did?

 

[Saelune]

I learn something intersting from the Backto the Moon episode. Those painting of the 4 Diamonds had circles in them which is a metaphor of the planet/ colony they owned. Yellow and Blue had the same amount of planet and Pink literally only have one and a smaller one next to it (meaning Earth and the moon). White on the other hand has more planet than Yellow and Blue! Since we know nothing about her just yet, I starting to think she could be the real antagonist sorta like the final boss in a rpg game!

A girl that I work with said her boyfriend thought of something about White Diamond. White is always on top of the other Diamonds, so we're assuming she is the most powerful. What if White is actually a fusion of the other three Diamonds? What if that's the reason she's so much stronger than them, but also why we haven't seen her yet? Because without Pink, it's impossible for White to exist.
Taking it a step further--and going into crazy theory territory here--what if Lion is the remains of Pink? And what if Yellow and/or Blue find this out, and there's a battle for Lion. Lion is captured by the other Diamonds, and they use the shard/piece of Pink and reform White Diamond as a means to finally crush the Crystal Gems? (This is all assuming, of course, that Lion is somehow connected to Pink).

Because you're right. We've seen Yellow and Blue, and we know about Pink now, but White remains a mystery. We've only seen pictures of her in the background (it looks like she might be the one that Rose stood up to Sailor Moon-style), but she does seem to have a more...imposing figure than the others. So yeah, she's probably going to end up being the final boss they face. The question is just going to be, why is she so much stronger than the others? Was she the first Gem, or does she have a secret like Garnet did?

Any pictures of Rose standing up to a Diamond is likely her destroying Pink.

And while a neat idea (and I hope the 3 remaining do fuse as a final villain), White Diamond would be unable to exist without Pink now. (Like the one in the pyramid trap temple I never noticed at first)

And, something as a general response to many theories, I don't know how deep things were initially. I feel like a lot of the deeper plot and background weren't considered until the show started going. Not that I'm not curious or excited to see where it goes, but I do feel a lot of it is made up as it goes. Now there is likely far more far thought plans, but some people have some wacked out theories that seem to depend on the show planning everything so far in advance.

 

[Saelune]

And, something as a general response to many theories, I don't know how deep things were initially. I feel like a lot of the deeper plot and background weren't considered until the show started going. Not that I'm not curious or excited to see where it goes, but I do feel a lot of it is made up as it goes. Now there is likely far more far thought plans, but some people have some wacked out theories that seem to depend on the show planning everything so far in advance.

IIRC (but I don't recall the evidence to support) Rebecca sugar pretty much had all the major plot points laid out before the pilot even aired (and even the pilot wasn't the first iteration of the story) even going as far as having all the characters and fusions drawn out in the pilot style of artwork.

Of course I'm sure it's changed slightly as the show was created and the team provided their own ideas, but the overall plot should be the same.

Then I guess there are just some unadressed...I wouldn't say plot holes, but parts of the world could make more sense.

The Gems, while noted as weird aliens, aren't really treated as such. Strange creatures exists (corrupted gems) and they have been on earth for a long time. The world is very fantasy in that regard, and I guess I wish that would be addressed better. I know the gems are always off on unseen adventures, but they need to introduce some group of humans who also fight gem monsters or something like that.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

And, something as a general response to many theories, I don't know how deep things were initially. I feel like a lot of the deeper plot and background weren't considered until the show started going. Not that I'm not curious or excited to see where it goes, but I do feel a lot of it is made up as it goes. Now there is likely far more far thought plans, but some people have some wacked out theories that seem to depend on the show planning everything so far in advance.

IIRC (but I don't recall the evidence to support) Rebecca sugar pretty much had all the major plot points laid out before the pilot even aired (and even the pilot wasn't the first iteration of the story) even going as far as having all the characters and fusions drawn out in the pilot style of artwork.

Of course I'm sure it's changed slightly as the show was created and the team provided their own ideas, but the overall plot should be the same.

Then I guess there are just some unadressed...I wouldn't say plot holes, but parts of the world could make more sense.

The Gems, while noted as weird aliens, aren't really treated as such. Strange creatures exists (corrupted gems) and they have been on earth for a long time. The world is very fantasy in that regard, and I guess I wish that would be addressed better. I know the gems are always off on unseen adventures, but they need to introduce some group of humans who also fight gem monsters or something like that.

The gems aren't treated like aliens because they really aren't. They've been on earth for over 5000 years, longer than the majority of human civilization. Humanity grew up around them, they weren't introduced to it later so to humanity they're aren't weird or special. While I do agree that seeing how the existence of aliens might have influenced human culture, before steven was born the gems seemed to have stayed away from humans save to steer them away from dangerous areas so I doubt their interactions are that interesting.

Humans don't need to fight gem monsters because in comparison to the population of earth gem monsters are a relative rarity. It would be like building an army to fight Bigfoot. Not to mention that gem monsters shy away from humanity. Every monster we've seen so far has either been hiding away (with the cg's initiating the fight) or only interacted with humanity because it was nearby the gem base. Again, like if Bigfoot existed but there was like only 2 of them in the entire US , how much would humans and Bigfoot interact?

I mean in the day and age of internet, where all of a sudden an whole ocean disappeared?

 

[Saelune]

And, something as a general response to many theories, I don't know how deep things were initially. I feel like a lot of the deeper plot and background weren't considered until the show started going. Not that I'm not curious or excited to see where it goes, but I do feel a lot of it is made up as it goes. Now there is likely far more far thought plans, but some people have some wacked out theories that seem to depend on the show planning everything so far in advance.

IIRC (but I don't recall the evidence to support) Rebecca sugar pretty much had all the major plot points laid out before the pilot even aired (and even the pilot wasn't the first iteration of the story) even going as far as having all the characters and fusions drawn out in the pilot style of artwork.

Of course I'm sure it's changed slightly as the show was created and the team provided their own ideas, but the overall plot should be the same.

Then I guess there are just some unadressed...I wouldn't say plot holes, but parts of the world could make more sense.

The Gems, while noted as weird aliens, aren't really treated as such. Strange creatures exists (corrupted gems) and they have been on earth for a long time. The world is very fantasy in that regard, and I guess I wish that would be addressed better. I know the gems are always off on unseen adventures, but they need to introduce some group of humans who also fight gem monsters or something like that.

The gems aren't treated like aliens because they really aren't. They've been on earth for over 5000 years, longer than the majority of human civilization. Humanity grew up around them, they weren't introduced to it later so to humanity they're aren't weird or special. While I do agree that seeing how the existence of aliens might have influenced human culture, before steven was born the gems seemed to have stayed away from humans save to steer them away from dangerous areas so I doubt their interactions are that interesting.

Humans don't need to fight gem monsters because in comparison to the population of earth gem monsters are a relative rarity. It would be like building an army to fight Bigfoot. Not to mention that gem monsters shy away from humanity. Every monster we've seen so far has either been hiding away (with the cg's initiating the fight) or only interacted with humanity because it was nearby the gem base. Again, like if Bigfoot existed but there was like only 2 of them in the entire US , how much would humans and Bigfoot interact?

I mean in the day and age of internet, where all of a sudden an whole ocean disappeared?

Oh I'm sure people noticed. But the show is shot almost exclusively from Steven's perspective. We don't see anything steven doesn't see, and steven doesn't use the Internet (or watch the news apparently) he can't see the reaction. And thus we don't see it.

Well, I wanna see it. I don't like the idea that the world only exists for Steven. And if Bigfoot was real and attacking things, then more people would care about it running free.

And the gems being around forever is part of why it bothers me that its not more dealt with. They didn't suddenly show up and the monsters are just in certain places nearby. The episode with Buddy only further makes me curious to the rest of the world, cause most places they go, as weird as they are, are on earth.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

And, something as a general response to many theories, I don't know how deep things were initially. I feel like a lot of the deeper plot and background weren't considered until the show started going. Not that I'm not curious or excited to see where it goes, but I do feel a lot of it is made up as it goes. Now there is likely far more far thought plans, but some people have some wacked out theories that seem to depend on the show planning everything so far in advance.

IIRC (but I don't recall the evidence to support) Rebecca sugar pretty much had all the major plot points laid out before the pilot even aired (and even the pilot wasn't the first iteration of the story) even going as far as having all the characters and fusions drawn out in the pilot style of artwork.

Of course I'm sure it's changed slightly as the show was created and the team provided their own ideas, but the overall plot should be the same.

Then I guess there are just some unadressed...I wouldn't say plot holes, but parts of the world could make more sense.

The Gems, while noted as weird aliens, aren't really treated as such. Strange creatures exists (corrupted gems) and they have been on earth for a long time. The world is very fantasy in that regard, and I guess I wish that would be addressed better. I know the gems are always off on unseen adventures, but they need to introduce some group of humans who also fight gem monsters or something like that.

The gems aren't treated like aliens because they really aren't. They've been on earth for over 5000 years, longer than the majority of human civilization. Humanity grew up around them, they weren't introduced to it later so to humanity they're aren't weird or special. While I do agree that seeing how the existence of aliens might have influenced human culture, before steven was born the gems seemed to have stayed away from humans save to steer them away from dangerous areas so I doubt their interactions are that interesting.

Humans don't need to fight gem monsters because in comparison to the population of earth gem monsters are a relative rarity. It would be like building an army to fight Bigfoot. Not to mention that gem monsters shy away from humanity. Every monster we've seen so far has either been hiding away (with the cg's initiating the fight) or only interacted with humanity because it was nearby the gem base. Again, like if Bigfoot existed but there was like only 2 of them in the entire US , how much would humans and Bigfoot interact?

I mean in the day and age of internet, where all of a sudden an whole ocean disappeared?

Oh I'm sure people noticed. But the show is shot almost exclusively from Steven's perspective. We don't see anything steven doesn't see, and steven doesn't use the Internet (or watch the news apparently) he can't see the reaction. And thus we don't see it.

Well, I wanna see it. I don't like the idea that the world only exists for Steven. And if Bigfoot was real and attacking things, then more people would care about it running free.

And the gems being around forever is part of why it bothers me that its not more dealt with. They didn't suddenly show up and the monsters are just in certain places nearby. The episode with Buddy only further makes me curious to the rest of the world, cause most places they go, as weird as they are, are on earth.

Rebecca addressed this in some interview somewhere. It basically boils down to Steven's Earth isn't our Earth. On Steven's Earth, this sort of thing is just accepted now. The Gems have been around and, while they do weird things, the world is kind of like Beach City's residents. Garnet just got smashed through the pizza roof. Owner is more mad about the damage than shocked about the incident. People know weird stuff is going on, they're just used to it now. At least, that's what she said.

 

[Saelune]

And, something as a general response to many theories, I don't know how deep things were initially. I feel like a lot of the deeper plot and background weren't considered until the show started going. Not that I'm not curious or excited to see where it goes, but I do feel a lot of it is made up as it goes. Now there is likely far more far thought plans, but some people have some wacked out theories that seem to depend on the show planning everything so far in advance.

IIRC (but I don't recall the evidence to support) Rebecca sugar pretty much had all the major plot points laid out before the pilot even aired (and even the pilot wasn't the first iteration of the story) even going as far as having all the characters and fusions drawn out in the pilot style of artwork.

Of course I'm sure it's changed slightly as the show was created and the team provided their own ideas, but the overall plot should be the same.

Then I guess there are just some unadressed...I wouldn't say plot holes, but parts of the world could make more sense.

The Gems, while noted as weird aliens, aren't really treated as such. Strange creatures exists (corrupted gems) and they have been on earth for a long time. The world is very fantasy in that regard, and I guess I wish that would be addressed better. I know the gems are always off on unseen adventures, but they need to introduce some group of humans who also fight gem monsters or something like that.

The gems aren't treated like aliens because they really aren't. They've been on earth for over 5000 years, longer than the majority of human civilization. Humanity grew up around them, they weren't introduced to it later so to humanity they're aren't weird or special. While I do agree that seeing how the existence of aliens might have influenced human culture, before steven was born the gems seemed to have stayed away from humans save to steer them away from dangerous areas so I doubt their interactions are that interesting.

Humans don't need to fight gem monsters because in comparison to the population of earth gem monsters are a relative rarity. It would be like building an army to fight Bigfoot. Not to mention that gem monsters shy away from humanity. Every monster we've seen so far has either been hiding away (with the cg's initiating the fight) or only interacted with humanity because it was nearby the gem base. Again, like if Bigfoot existed but there was like only 2 of them in the entire US , how much would humans and Bigfoot interact?

I mean in the day and age of internet, where all of a sudden an whole ocean disappeared?

Oh I'm sure people noticed. But the show is shot almost exclusively from Steven's perspective. We don't see anything steven doesn't see, and steven doesn't use the Internet (or watch the news apparently) he can't see the reaction. And thus we don't see it.

Well, I wanna see it. I don't like the idea that the world only exists for Steven. And if Bigfoot was real and attacking things, then more people would care about it running free.

And the gems being around forever is part of why it bothers me that its not more dealt with. They didn't suddenly show up and the monsters are just in certain places nearby. The episode with Buddy only further makes me curious to the rest of the world, cause most places they go, as weird as they are, are on earth.

Rebecca addressed this in some interview somewhere. It basically boils down to Steven's Earth isn't our Earth. On Steven's Earth, this sort of thing is just accepted now. The Gems have been around and, while they do weird things, the world is kind of like Beach City's residents. Garnet just got smashed through the pizza roof. Owner is more mad about the damage than shocked about the incident. People know weird stuff is going on, they're just used to it now. At least, that's what she said.

That still doesn't tell me how that world works. I want to know more. I know it is different, but how else is it different? Until I am told what is different, I am going to assume it is the same.

I'm a DnD player who prefers to be DM cause I love world building. I like getting into a world's lore. I want to know how it works, why it is that way, etc. I like shows like Steven Universe cause its more than just a silly episode, then back to the status quo. I also feel the same about Adventure Time, and Rick and Morty. I want to know more than just the main character's adventures. They created interesting worlds...and I'm interested in them.

 

[Tanis]

I liked most of it.

The longer the series goes on, the more I wish it was a half-hour show, instead of the 11min stuff.
:/

Also: That last episode was really good from SE4 was really good.
Dat song. Butterflies, yo.

Also:
Is Homeworld a Nazi Germany metaphor?
Low resources, leads willing to commit genocide for said resources, a strict social hierarchy that can cause punishment if challenged, the suppression of individuality, etc?

Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

 

[Angelblaze]

I would tell you, if I went on reddit.

I just know sites like Tumblr is known for amplifying the worst things about the Internet. Twitter too (see what Scarim Coral just said). This and nearly every other fan base needs to be policed. It's really getting out of hand.

*Sings slowly* This is the shit that happens, when you have freedom of speech with no social accountability~

(I'm agreeing with you btw, but the moment you start talking about policing people feel their freedom of speech is being invaded. Ironically, the 'sjw' movement that started this entire discussion originally came from the vein of individually policing people when it was pretty obvious no legal action would be taken against multiple serial harassers like swatters or doxers.)

*Sings slow again* It's the circle of the internet and it fucks us alllll...

 

[Saelune]

Thank you for the thread!

I'm starting to see Rose Quartz in a different light, as Steven is starting to do as well. At first, we all thought she was this sweethearted woman who loved freeing the gems and was the Mary Sue of Steven Universe despite her past is mysterious. Now as time goes on, we're finding out more and more sketchy things about her, disturbing and 'questionable' deeds she has done.

Heck color me surprised if she's not somewhat evil. I'm not saying like the 'Muhaha' evil but rather, the kind of ruler whom is willing to sacrifice her own people to keep the rally going in a war. I don't blame her for silencing her smith to ensure a rebellion doesn't break out among the ranks, but Rose also keeps secrets from her closest Gems.


That's not including how Rose shattered Pink Diamond ... which is hypocrisy since she poofed her smith for wanting to shatter other gems under the rule of the Diamonds so, it's an ironic situation.

Besides that, every episode so far has been awesome. I loved the episodes with Jasper, along with how close Peridot and Lapis are getting. Also nobody likes Lars- please stop making an episode focused around him. Whether it's trying to prove he's going to change or he'll remain a dick, no one cares.

Being flawed doesn't make you evil. We don't know the exact events, but it doesn't seem like Rose stealthy put down Bismuth. My guess is Bismuth said her intentions, Rose disagreed, major argument, and it got violent. Not as though Rose destroyed Bismuth.

And again, we don't know the full details of Rose and Pink Diamond. I doubt Rose was laughing maniacally as she held Diamond's gem in her hands, crushing it to dust. More like the situation escalated and what happens in war happens, people die.

Id love if everyone could get along, but if it comes down to one horribly evil ruler, or everyone else, I'm choosing everyone else's well-being first.

And I like Lars. I don't approve of his dickishness, but hating him kind of is contrary to what I think is the point of the show, which is understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness.

Plus Sadie kind of held him and Steven hostage on the island. That was pretty messed up.

 

[Saelune]

Plus Sadie kind of held him and Steven hostage on the island. That was pretty messed up.

Yeah, I may not agree with you on everything but this I can definitely nod my head on. Sadie went really to far with her stunt to make Lars like her- which is totally not a healthy way whatsoever. Someone could of starved or died due to the island being dangerous. .. I mean even though nobody got seriously hurt- it's really freaken out of character for her to do that too.

I'm surprised she didn't jump all over Lars when Steven through Lars (aka possessing him) admitted he loved her. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it? Did she get more mature overtime or did Lars really make her feel on edge with his recent bull crap?

Because she wants Lars, not Steven, and because she could tell it wasn't Lars being himself. I'm sure she wishes he was nicer and stuff, but I'm pretty sure she wants it to be genuine.

Lars is just angsty. Hes not even that bad. Certainly hasn't done anything evil or terrible. And his spat with Ronaldo...fuck Ronaldo. He didn't care about how Lars felt at all.