calm down people its just the media having a slow day, if there is no current scandal/controversy they will invent one.
So....the Queen is coming to town....
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They finally got permission to use that footage... It's bullshit they had to go through so much for it.ChupathingyX said:
And I would give my full opinion about the monarchy.... But my opinions and alcohol have gotten me in trouble before, so I'll stay quiet...
I do my best to ignore the Royals, because ninety nine per cent of the time, they don't affect us here in Australia, and they're a kind of cool part of Britain. That said, it's times like this when I really start to wonder why we tolerate the idea of a Royal Family. Our - admittedly awful, but for nonrelated reasons - Prime Minister didn't curtsy, and they're upset? Fuck 'em.
A Monarchy - the idea that one person's rule over others is a divine right, and that they are therefore superior to their 'subjects', and to be shown the utmost level of respect, is utterly ridiculous, completely outdated, and fucking Medieval.
Why is she our head of state? That she was born to the position means that it took no merit to reach such a role, nor that she in any way deserves it. Admittedly, the Prime Minister that we've got is a complete idiot, and seems apparently determined to destroy our country, but, for what it's worth, she was freely elected by the people of our nation.
Why should we show deference to someone whose only real achievement is to have been born into a particular family? Why do we still entertain the concept of Royals?
Wow, that's a load off of my chest. But seriously, fuck the Royals. I'm not going back now; I want them gone.
A Monarchy - the idea that one person's rule over others is a divine right, and that they are therefore superior to their 'subjects', and to be shown the utmost level of respect, is utterly ridiculous, completely outdated, and fucking Medieval.
Why is she our head of state? That she was born to the position means that it took no merit to reach such a role, nor that she in any way deserves it. Admittedly, the Prime Minister that we've got is a complete idiot, and seems apparently determined to destroy our country, but, for what it's worth, she was freely elected by the people of our nation.
Why should we show deference to someone whose only real achievement is to have been born into a particular family? Why do we still entertain the concept of Royals?
Wow, that's a load off of my chest. But seriously, fuck the Royals. I'm not going back now; I want them gone.
A monarchist?Craorach said:
You actively support inbred halfwits being paid to be overrated diplomats, housed in palaces and occassionally saying something racist or publicly supporting homeopathy?
The PM of Australia is a greater world leader than any monarch, because a PM has to have a democratic mandate to rule rather than a 'divine right'.
Speaking as a British Soldier who (supposedly) swore an oath to the old biddy (and her inbred spawn), I don't necessarily care how the Queen is received abroad, as long as Americans and Japanese keep coming over with their big fat tourist dollars to see the Palace, all will be rosy.
I don't think the monarchy are actually allowed to get jobs, either that or there is a very limited range professions they are allowed to do.Tipsy Giant said:
And yet, somehow, she is better than the alternative....Bobbity said:
How did this nations political state get to this? Seriously....
A democracy where you are forced to pick between either one party of idiots, or another party of morons, when there are likely hundreds of people who can do the job right in lower positions....ThisIsSnake said:
I'm sorry. Democracy is the wrong word...
It's like a multiple choice test, where 'C' is the right answer, yet you can only choose from 'A' or 'B'....
I would imagine ALOT of it comes from everyone hating juliar gillard,carlsberg export said:
you think thats bad? the media had a feild day with a formal "kiss" between the PM and kevin rudd (the previous PM who was kind of..."kicked out" by Gilard) like wather or not it was sincere or some crap
somtimes the media makes me want to go on a rampage
Tell them to calm down, nobody in britain has noticed, and we're the people that you should be embarrased to, it's ok, we know you're all fellons anyway, we don't expect manners
Katy Gallagher said it best, there is more than one way to show respect. Lowering your head and waiting for the monarch to extend her hand is one of these and it is what both Gillard and Gallagher did. To be honest I think curtseys would be ill-fitting of any leader of Government. Except maybe if Tony Abbott was PM.
I doubt Queen Liz cares much any more. She's married to Prince Philip, she is used to dealing with poor etiquette.
As for the Queen visiting... well I suppose it's always nice for our head of state to pay us a visit, even if it is only once every 20 years or whatever. I imagine while she's in the antipodes she won't be coming across the ditch to pay us a visit huh. Never mind.
I doubt Queen Liz cares much any more. She's married to Prince Philip, she is used to dealing with poor etiquette.
As for the Queen visiting... well I suppose it's always nice for our head of state to pay us a visit, even if it is only once every 20 years or whatever. I imagine while she's in the antipodes she won't be coming across the ditch to pay us a visit huh. Never mind.
I agree with the removal of the coat (although I assume you mean jacket) in the oval office.Cheshire the Cat said:
It's not stupid to expect a civilian of any type to bow to their monarch. Ever.
It's even less stupid to expect someone to bow to their boss. Because that's exactly what the Queen is.
If she says so, Julia loses her job. No questions asked.
So yeah, being polite is important.
Although to be honest it's just sensationalism. If I'd been her, I'd have curtsied, however as OP said, it's not mandatory, and I'm a big supporter or the monarchy and I'd go down on my knees if I saw one of the royals so I'm a massive exception.
Yes, Prince Charles is a Chartered Accountant as well as a Veteran.Vault Citizen said:
Eh...as much as I disagree with Abbott and Gillard et al about things, they seem to be ahead of the curve. They might disagree over where to process refugees, but not things like about whether or not the economy should be unfucked up. They squabble, but there's very little viciousness to them.Miles000 said:
Economy is going strong, unemployment hasn't massively jumped up, nobody faces massive student fees they can't pay back, health care system is fairly good.
We shouldn't stop wanting more from our politicians, but I think we should keep things in perspective.
Not curtsying for the queen is, IMHO, a mark in Gillard's favor.
Many heads of state don't have to do very much to hold their largely ceremonial positions, but Elizabeth Windsor is a remarkable example. Born into the Great Depression, thrown into the spotlight of WWII in her teens when her radio messages did much to bolster the morale of a Britain facing imminent extinction, and crowned during the Cold War in her mid twenties, she's experienced first-hand more history than most of us ever read about. She's seen the UK through the Cold War, the collapse of its empire, numerous recessions and economic restructures, integration into the European Union and has been selflessly devoted to the development of the UK and its Commonwealth in all that time.
She has said explicitly that she expects and accepts that Australia will one day want to become a republic (and asked several Prime Ministers why it isn't yet). It's easy (and not unfair) to say that she's not terribly relevant to Australia's politics, but I believe that she's immensely relevant to Australia's history and statehood -- she's been our monarch for more than half our nation's history and may have contributed -- even if only symbolically -- to our long-term national stability.
My suggestion: curtsy or not, but warm courtesies are definitely in order.
She has said explicitly that she expects and accepts that Australia will one day want to become a republic (and asked several Prime Ministers why it isn't yet). It's easy (and not unfair) to say that she's not terribly relevant to Australia's politics, but I believe that she's immensely relevant to Australia's history and statehood -- she's been our monarch for more than half our nation's history and may have contributed -- even if only symbolically -- to our long-term national stability.
My suggestion: curtsy or not, but warm courtesies are definitely in order.
Media pandering to unwitting click-bait victims once again.
But in all seriousness I completely agree with the sentiment. I mean the ridiculousness of the media is really getting on my nerves recently, and how Alan Jones still has his own show after al the mininformation he spreads is ridiculous.
Something that was said a few days ago which aplies perfectly, is how that, because there are no advantages or disadvantages to becoming a republic or staying under the current system, most Australians have done the Australian thing and decided that it's a lot easier to just not do anything.
But in all seriousness I completely agree with the sentiment. I mean the ridiculousness of the media is really getting on my nerves recently, and how Alan Jones still has his own show after al the mininformation he spreads is ridiculous.
Something that was said a few days ago which aplies perfectly, is how that, because there are no advantages or disadvantages to becoming a republic or staying under the current system, most Australians have done the Australian thing and decided that it's a lot easier to just not do anything.
Here, here! Well said old chap.Mookowicz said:
I've never been able to understand the level of hatred some people seem to feel towards the royal family. Some of the comments in this thread are quite disgusting.
Off for a spot of tea.