So what if I pirate games, why should you care?

[OutforEC]

So, there are reasons to pirate a game that don't have to do with someone believing they're entitled to it?

You keep saying stuff like this, but it still hasn't made it true.

The little sqiggly thing at the end of my sentence is a question mark. This indicates that the preceding sentence is seeking clarification, specifically in this case as to your supposition that there are justifiable reason to pirate entertainment that don't have to do with someone believing that for whatever reason they're entitled to it.

As for the people producing the work being pirated, I believe that my stance throughout this discussion has been that those who produce reap the benefits.

This doesn't even make sense. Be more ambiguous, maybe that will help.

This is just someone feeling that their desire to play a game trumps the rules that society has set up in order for smoother operation.

Your sentence seems to be a desire for game developers to be able to take money from others because the outcome is the creation of whatever games you like. It really seems that you happen to dislike capitalism.

Not sure if you're just being intentionally puerile, but I'll explain it again. The people who make the goods available deserve to be compensated for their efforts if those goods are utilized. You are trying to justify piracy by saying that money hasn't yet changed hands, so there is no deprivation happening. You are trying to justify free use of items and services without fair compense, and then try to argue the absurd notion that I am the one against capitalism? Wow.

On top of that, you go on to say that I desire for game developers to take money from others? I've bought thousands of dollars in games over the span of my life, and never once have I had anyone in the industry come to my house demanding money. Perhaps the reality that you live in is different and you have armed developers beating up people for lunch money, but where I live you have to actually purchase things willingly. You know, capitalism.

It still doesn't make up for how you are just giving the entitlements to the other person.

Yep, you caught me. I'd love to live in a world where those that provided goods and services received fair compensation for their efforts, and piracy is antithetical to that desire.

You are trying to give the entitlement to those who, in my opinion, do not deserve them, but by all means continue to try to justify it.

Nope. Once again, saying it doesn't suddenly make it true.

Your arguments are in a vacuum where you label actions as either Good and Bad. This simple-minded categorization doesn't apply. Once you realize how reality actually works, then maybe you can try to pinpoint why people do things and that the law (or rules created by the industry) isn't the last stop for morality.

I sleep perfectly well since I don't have to justify amoral behavior. Your mileage may vary.

 

[pokepuke]

So, there are reasons to pirate a game that don't have to do with someone believing they're entitled to it?

You keep saying stuff like this, but it still hasn't made it true.

The little sqiggly thing at the end of my sentence is a question mark. This indicates that the preceding sentence is seeking clarification, specifically in this case as to your supposition that there are justifiable reason to pirate entertainment that don't have to do with someone believing that for whatever reason they're entitled to it.

Looks more like rhetoric, which is really all you've been giving. Entitlements this, entitled that; you're still just trying to find the right person to point a finger at.

As for the people producing the work being pirated, I believe that my stance throughout this discussion has been that those who produce reap the benefits.

This doesn't even make sense. Be more ambiguous, maybe that will help.

Not sure if you're just being intentionally puerile, but I'll explain it again. The people who make the goods available deserve

Nope.

to be compensated for their efforts if those goods are utilized.

Um... nonsense. That type of thinking doesn't apply here. It is all really just agreements between people.

You are trying to justify piracy by saying that money hasn't yet changed hands, so there is no deprivation happening.

Nope. That is also irrelevant to the stage you are putting it into. Plus there doesn't need to be an involvement of money.

You are trying to justify free use of items and services without fair compense,

Nope. I haven't tried to justify anything, let alone your exaggerated claim here.

and then try to argue the absurd notion that I am the one against capitalism? Wow.

Well, apparently you don't even know how Capitalism works, so maybe that is your problem. And perhaps part of the problem is big name publishers hypnotizing the masses into spewing this anti-piracy rhetoric that does nothing but attempt to shame people into following their rules (purchase models) so they can keep getting big payouts on the same paradigm they've been using for years.

On top of that, you go on to say that I desire for game developers to take money from others? I've bought thousands of dollars in games over the span of my life, and never once have I had anyone in the industry come to my house demanding money. Perhaps the reality that you live in is different and you have armed developers beating up people for lunch money, but where I live you have to actually purchase things willingly. You know, capitalism.

You're seriously going with that? Being purposefully obtuse is hardly helpful to your case. Didn't this topic start with unauthorized file sharing? I am almost positive that it doesn't require guns to be involved. You really didn't need to mutate your arguments into the realm of silliness (well, more so) when your footing was consistently about this entitlement bullshit.

It still doesn't make up for how you are just giving the entitlements to the other person.

Yep, you caught me. I'd love to live in a world where those that provided goods and services received fair compensation for their efforts, and piracy is antithetical to that desire.

So... not a Capitalist world. You can't define "fair" here, unless you really mean for it to be so abstract that is has no quantifiable value. And guess what, piracy wouldn't even factor in this world; it would be a completely inconsequential thing compared to in our real world.

Fact is, no one "deserves" anything. Your determinations are arbitrary.

I sleep perfectly well since I don't have to justify amoral behavior. Your mileage may vary.

What defines that? Also, how would you define an amoral behavior? That doesn't quite make sense.

Are you going by: the written law? What is good for the industry? What the EULA states? Most people living in this world realize that rules aren't always there for good reasons. You can blindly follow them if you like, all the while claiming to be just and good for the simple fact of following them. Your self-imposed bubble still houses one person.