So, what is it with the US education system?

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ca_jas

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A lot of educational curriculum is made for/by European American (white) culture. Although there have been attempts to diversify curriculum in accordance with a diverse population of students, for the most part "minority" cultures are left having to almost learn another language when they are in school.

I realized education in all relative when I took a speech class and was told we HAVE to do A,B, & C or it's wrong. But if we do A,B, or C in another culture THAT would be what is wrong. Make sense? What is exactly RIGHT about any educational teaching?
 

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sansamour14 said:
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sansamour14 said:
It does make me mad when ppl say that america is the gratest country ever with our school system, broken healthcare, pollution, intolerable ppl, and even though we speak of equality we only want it for some ppl
It's not really equality if not everyone gets it, so it's more of a lack of equal treatment.

And that's another thing about schools that bothers me, I'm such a whore for the english language, and yet I find english classes are so incredibly boring and retarded that I failed the one I had in my freshman year.
you got gipped dude. i ditched 2 days a week of high school. never did homework. and generally was an asshole to my teachers. i graduated a year early with honors because i decided to take college classes on the weekends. go me right?

i just failed my english classes in sophomore year since they were so boring but even with all the Fs from freshman and sophomore years i still got my diploma
 

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Interesting points you make here and I would agree on the individualism thing but I think what he means is that there wasn't enough collaborative effort within the PTA or administrators of the school district. Parents and school officials working together is necessary for a succesful public school district. Unless, Danny Ocean, you're trying to say that voting for student council isn't a collaborative effort?
 

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The Geek Lord said:
I'm very tired of people slamming the US educational system. We drive the world economy, we're the richest country in the world, we won. Period. Now as a student in the US I cant say how good "our" educational system is, but I do go to a very good private school, and we frequently have foreign royalties coming to attend here, this is one of the goddamn best schools in the world, and you say it sucks? Now it is a private school, and I know that the public schools are better, but my dad went to public school, and he can afford to send us to this $40k a year school, so you fucking tell me that you hate this system. I get seriously offended when people say that shit, because its not true. Dont blame the school for you not knowing this damn stuff, blame yourself.
 

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ca_jas said:
A lot of educational curriculum is made for/by European American (white) culture. Although there have been attempts to diversify curriculum in accordance with a diverse population of students, for the most part "minority" cultures are left having to almost learn another language when they are in school.

I realized education in all relative when I took a speech class and was told we HAVE to do A,B, & C or it's wrong. But if we do A,B, or C in another culture THAT would be what is wrong. Make sense? What is exactly RIGHT about any educational teaching?
A is A. Either it's correct or it isn't. And if by "educational curriculum for/by European American (white) culture", you mean the founding of this country, Capitalism, Representative Democracy and the cultural foundations of all three...

Then you're being short-sighted and your values are only "skin-deep".
 

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Most students sort of know what they want to do for a career, so they should be seperating students into classrooms that will teach them those various things... But no, they make you learn crap that not everyone will grasp...and you will soon forget...

And in the states that teach creationism, they should make them learn both creationism and evolution, and let the kids decide for themselves what to believe...
 

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Exactly. They offer you classes on Japanese language and culture already, or whatever foreign nation you want to hear about, as well as constantly trying to represent as much minority history as possible in social studies without actually bending history itself. In my school thee are special ed teachers who speak fluent Spanish/whatever for kids who are non-native english speaker so they can be taught core classes like math and science and even English itself. What more could you want in terms of diversification other than trying to throw these kids who don't speak the same language in the same classes together? Do you know how much of a challenge that would be on these already overworked teachers?
 

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All I can say is thank God that Northern Ireland has the best education system in the UK.
webchameleon said:
sansamour14 said:
It does make me mad when ppl say that america is the gratest country ever with our school system, broken healthcare, pollution, intolerable ppl, and even though we speak of equality we only want it for some ppl
It's true, actually. America is an incredibly intolerant, racist place. Did you know we have an entire political party dedicated to perpetuating class warfare and racial tensions? If you don't think exactly the same way the Party does, it tries to blacklist you from your ethnic community. It's scary shit.
Britain has the British Nationalist Party that is entirely devoted to promote white supremecy over all non white people. Is Britains version of the National socialist party.
 

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Also the higher education system is terrible I am a uk student and freinds who have done exchanges say that in the US they dont let u fail, its less about ur ability just this "no child left behind" thing again, where is the standard if nobody can fail?
Really higher education is poor? They don't let you fail? What college did you go to? Oh wait, you didn't you are only repeating word of mouth anecdotes from friends. Well what colleges did they attend? In a list of the top fifty colleges across the world the US has 41 of those spots, and the UK is the only country to appear on the list more then twice (3 times with the number 2 and 3 spots, Japan appears twice). This isn't only Ivy league colleges either with universities like University of California, Berkeley appearing at number 6, and University of Washington, Seattle (I attended here) appearing at number 14.

Granted there are many lists, and not all these lists agree (many simply because they are taken from previous years), but one thing in consistent. The US dominates the lists usually to the tune of around half the colleges on any top 100 or more list being from the US, things get skewed even more looking at the top fifty where 2/3rds or more are typically from the US.

The US educational system is not in tatters. It's not the best, and the movement towards high school simply being there to prepare you for college is a travesty. You can both provide a decent education and prepare a student for life after high school. There is no need to focus on one ideal, no need to rely on higher education to give the student skills needed for a job. Higher education should be there to refine those skills, high school should allow the student to explore different skills and possibly find what suits them.

Even if you buy into the standardized 14th in the world crap that is repeated often enough, that still isn't all that bad, sure it could be better, but it is more average for industrialized nations then poor performance. I don't trust it because a study on 31 nations in Paris found that France Finland and Japan all scored the highest, while Japanese studies have found similar results with Japan, and Singapore scoring high. In other words it seems these world rankings are skewed towards the countries that perform the studies a bit more then is usually let on.
 

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Okuu_Fusion said:
And in the states that teach creationism, they should make them learn both creationism and evolution, and let the kids decide for themselves what to believe...
They already do, and the religious groups aren't gonna be satisfied until only creationism is taught in schools, which will never happen.
 

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Because American schools aren't geared toward inspiring intellectual curiosity and educating, they're one big processing plant that prepares you to have a job for the rest of your life, and tells you why you're supposed to be happy with the fact that you'll spend the entirety of your life toiling to make someone else even wealthier (lest you end up like the people in the overtly selective history books).

Besides, a population capable of objective, critical thinking is not conducive to an environment where a government is capable of screwing people over for a politician's own personal gain, which may be a very critical factor in the way the education budget is always the first to be cut. I'm surprised it hasn't already been reduced to handing diplomas directly to the children born to rich families, while the poor are shipped off to a public school that teaches them how to operate a fryer/greet WalMart customers and fill out 1040EZ's.
 

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It's too much paperwork to fail someone, so everyone goes through deserving or not, and the people who work hard are left a bit confused as to why they should. Then we have people working on airplanes and such who really shouldn't be. It's pretty bad.
 
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The Geek Lord said:
I know how you feel, I gave up on school (as an actual resource for knowledge) in 7th grade. The deciding factor in this decision (redundencies ahoy) was the "work" we had to do in Social Studies. A fare portion of our grade was made up of not tests or reports, but of how well we could colo(u)r maps. Of course I didn't have the patience to colo(u)r them neatly so I got a B on every one. We also had this awesome hands on science teacher that hurt their back mid year leaving the entire class with a bunch of tediouse paper work and a very boring substitute for the rest of the year.

Thank [insert deity here] for TV and books, the only reliable information sources.
 

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Red Right Hand said:
Everything you've said applies to the UK system as well. Apart from the UK system also tries to push everybody into University when it's blatantly obvious that University isn't for everyone.
Northern Ireland has a far better education system than the rest of the UK but its true that they try to persuade everybody to go to university even when universitys are struggling.
 

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Grubnar said:
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Honestly I do not think that the school system is that bad. They give us the tools to try and find knowledge. Blaming a bad school system for America being stupid does not do the schools justice. It is with peoples ignorant mindset that school is worthless.
Interesting point you make there.

But are the kids stupid because the school has failed them?
Or have the schools failed because the kids are stupid?

Ah, that damn chicken and egg riddle!
Probably a mix of both.
 

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"No child left behind"

Not even the ones that should be left behind. Parents don't want to learn that their kid is a complete moron, so they blame the schools for failing him, even though its the kid who's stupid.

Plus most kids simply don't give a shit about education, so its less 100% of the education system's fault and more of a 50/50 where both the system and students are at fault.

Of course I could just be talking out of my ass since I have no knowledge on any of this stuff, so don't take what I say as fact.
Ah. The "No Child Left Behind" act, the absolute WORST thing to ever happen to any education system anywhere.

For those of you that don't know, it's essentially an act that says no kid can flunk out of high school.
 

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Because American schools aren't geared toward inspiring intellectual curiosity and educating, they're one big processing plant that prepares you to have a job for the rest of your life, and tells you why you're supposed to be happy with the fact that you'll spend the entirety of your life toiling to make someone else even wealthier (lest you end up like the people in the overtly selective history books).

Besides, a population capable of objective, critical thinking is not conducive to an environment where a government is capable of screwing people over for a politician's own personal gain, which may be a very critical factor in the way the education budget is always the first to be cut. I'm surprised it hasn't already been reduced to handing diplomas directly to the children born to rich families, while the poor are shipped off to a public school that teaches them how to operate a fryer/greet WalMart customers and fill out 1040EZ's.
As a System fan I see where you're coming from. But as someone who has experienced European schooling (in Italy) I can tell you that the "processing plant" experiment you speak of has been perfected over there. You aren't even allowed to not go to college in France, as well as some other distinctly left-leaning and/or socialist countries. Because of the UN's supposed expert rankings on education in first world countries the U.S. now sees this as the ultimate goal and our public schools are trying so hard to cater to these dipshits who never learn anything in an effort to improve pass rates that it ruins the experience for kids who actually want to learn. For some people dropping out or graduating early actually works for them and they become successful without a higher education. But other times you aren't so lucky, and thems the brakes. Maybe we all have to accept the fact that there is such a thing as rich and poor and middle, and some kids are gonna end up as just a fry cook because that's what they set out to be from the beginning.
 

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I believe I was the person who made the "retarded monkey" remark that you made reference to.

Of course, alot of people say that, but I'll elaborate on what I meant anyway. Do you know what you have to do to pass high school? Show up most of the time, turn in homework when you feel like it, and put logical sounding answers on the test.

Senior year, I didn't even open a book and I never got less than a B. Maybe it's different where you are, as the quality of education differs from state to state, but I bet you never had to legitimately worry about whether or not you could pass a class unless you spent an entire semester ignoring the class.

High school is a joke. I realize that saying "United States high schools are a joke" gives all the Europeans here something to jack off about, so I will say it this in the plainest terms possible. High school is a joke.

The reason that what you learn is almost entirely irrelevant to your future is this: high school universally teaches what to think whereas college will teach you how to think.

I had one good class in high school and it was this: AP World History. Since such a topic is far too broad to simply be taught as every important thing that happened ever, the teacher only taught us that certain events set contexts for certain regions of the world (the founding of Islam, the Colombian Exchange, Zheng He's Voyage, the industrial revolution) in which we could evaluate the importance of events that occurred within those contexts. In short, it wasn't a class that was so much about history as it was a class about how to think historically.

That is what all college classes are like. As a longtime lurker on the escapist, I gather that the vast majority of people here are at the least intelligent enough that to have taken facts given by high school teachers and sort them into contexts by themselves, the very basis of understanding.

However, scientifically minded people cannot approach a historical problem scientifically any more than a mathematically minded person can approach an ethical problem mathematically, it simply doesn't work. That is the fundamental failing of high school education, is that it does not teach you the methods of problem-solving, only a problem's ultimate solution.

That is why college courses are arranged in the way they are, a broad base that teaches the fundamentals of approaching problems that will, collectively, be applicable to most situations, and focusing more tightly on the methods of approaching problems most encountered in a person's given profession.