So what is the advantage of a console?

[Joccaren]

360 was $300 back in the day, now you can get one for $100.

Then I want to live where you live, because around here it was over double that price.

Not sure why you want to mention a PS3, that shit was way over priced for forever, and still is

No kidding there, according to the articles I've found Sony tried to release it for $1000 over here.

You made a post recently where you said you can get a gaming PC for more than you can get a current 360. So I lol'd at your post.

A current 360 here is over $250 and dependent on the specs over $300. My build is possible over here for <$200. For the location, its a lot cheaper.

But you's be a liar, if you keep saying a gaming PC cost $300 6 years ago, that can still run current games at recommended settings. That's my fact, yo)

/facepalm
Ok;
1. I'm going to want a link to this $100 Xbox, as seriously that's a lie IMO, as is a $300 release price. Round here it was double that, and I want proof that it cost that little for you.
2. I don't know how many times I have to spell this out:
THE $300 WAS AN UPGRADE THIS YEAR. 6 YEARS AGO IT COST ME $500.
That is what I am saying, and what I have always said. I have also pointed this out. Read, comprehend and understand before posting, rather than attempting to put words in my mought that were never there.
3. Can still run current gen games at recommended?
Oh, now where moving up in the world!
Previously it was just can run. Honestly, now it will depend which games you talk about. Skyrim it could run recommended. BF3 it ran Medium. Arkham, recommended. Deus Ex, Maximum. SC2: High [Or maximum, but at about 30FPS].

PC currently can be better, if devs gave a shit about that noise. For the Record and all.

Some devs do care about and develop for the PC. They may not be the devs you like, but they still do. There are no devs these days that I like that develop for console and don't put effort into PC games. Skyrim was a meh game overall, and Bethesda is failing to impress me in recent years. Arkham City was a good port with care shown to PC gamers. Anything released by EA or Activision I have no interest in, as its becoming a largely monotonous blob of TPS these days. I also have no interest in JRPGs, fighting games or racing games. The games that I play and enjoy are RTS and 4X mostly these days, and they are all but PC exclusive. Whether good devs give a shit about the PC or not is down to personal preference on devs, and thus irrelevent in this argument.

 

[Revolutionary]

the whole ability to play co-op on a couch is nice...although that's disappearing.

 

[Kathinka]

jesus fucking christ! now i'm going to, just to make the smug ignorance stop (yeah, like that's going to happen..)

Geforce 9800 GTX ~ 55 bucks
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 or AMD Athlon II X2 260 ~ 40
2 gigs ram ~ 15

brings us to 110 so far. you can use the rest on the other necessities like some generic case (ca 20), mainboard (depends, for this setup i wouldn't go higher than 25), some small-ish hard disk (maybe another 15-20) and a low-watt power source (meh, lets be a big spender and say 30). the rest you can blow on peripherals to your liking.

should run sleeping dogs on 1920x1080 with high details. even with 4x or so anti aliasing, though you could forfeit that at this resolution and instead get a more fluent experience, or maybe crank a few details up to ultra via ini tweaks.

will you PLEASE cease the butthurt now and inform yourself before you throw nonsense into the room? thanks.

Whilst you and I know that the 'recommended' system requirements are generally a load of bull, and a far lower rated PC can run what it recommends without too much trouble, it is generally wise to stick to the recommended system requirements when putting out a build for those without PC experience, as that is where they'll generally look for that info, and for Sleeping dogs it specifies a Quad Core with 4Gbs RAM and at least a 6950 for graphics.

Speaking from experience though, that build should work. A very similar one was able to run Crysis at second to max settings at 60FPS+ consistent, or at max settings for an hour at 60FPS before the RAM started getting used up by some memory leak or other, and it slowed down to 24-30FPS.

yes, you are of course right, but i was trying to make a point here and go as low budged as reasonably possible.
there is lots of room upwards, for 300 bucks you can get some really neat stuff that will completely crush the current consoles on the curb and possibly even outperform the next generation, when you take a look at the probable specs of the 720.

 

[Joccaren]

yes, you are of course right, but i was trying to make a point here and go as low budged as reasonably possible.
there is lots of room upwards, for 300 bucks you can get some really neat stuff that will completely crush the current consoles on the curb and possibly even outperform the next generation, when you take a look at the probable specs of the 720.

Yeah. As much as it will provide a much needed boost, I'm not looking forward to the 720's release. I doubt it will improve things that much, and it will just end up as an excuse to stay back for another 10 years whilst PC hardware moves ever forward. At least they shouldn't be skimping on the RAM, there are 8Gb sticks of it out there for $40, so there is no excuse for a console to have any less than that IMO. The core probably doesn't matter too much for FPS and the likes, though a Quad core might help get better/faster AI [Though I doubt it], but the Graphics card... I'm just going to wait to see what they put in for that, but I doubt it'll be promising.

Me, I'm just going to keep on with PC gaming. Maybe get a new Mobo and Case so I can fit my 9800GTX in as dedicated PhysX whilst everything else does the actual heavy lifting, though I'm tempted to get more SSDs instead. Decisions, decisions...

 

[Joccaren]

WTF?!?!?!?!

You're from Australia?

Seriously?

Sadly yeah, though Sweden is where I'm going to try and head when I get enough money.

Them you have no reason to ***** about prices at all.

Despite paying double for pretty much anything related to IT and technology compared with most if not all other places in the world, even online, yeah, we have no reason to complain. The government's just doing its investigation for fun.
Though the prices stated are still valid, as it simply turns from a argument about which is cheaper overall into another "It depends on..." argument, thus nullifying it for both sides.

Besides the fact you can ride kangaroos to and from places, You get double the pay for flipping burgers, so I have no sympathy at you.

Mate, don't forget the Dropbears we've got to put up with. Those things are brutal:

And if $6.00 an hour is double the average wage for flipping burgers in other countries, then I feel seriously sorry for them - more sorry than I do for my friends stuck with that job.

 

[asinann]

Basically all games will have controller support, while it's not in all PC games, looking at you Bioware.

Power vs. value is higher in consoles. How much would a PC that was as powerful as the PS3 cost back when it was released? My guess is over $1,000. Even now, good luck getting a gaming PC as powerful, meaning plays games as well as the PS3 for $250.

No DRM.

System resources are not wasted on non-gaming tasks like they are with PC. Why there isn't a dedicated gaming OS for PC's I have no idea.

Actually, on release, I could build a PC that was better than a PS3 for about $300. Now, I could build one that is better for about $200.

Consoles are running on 10 year old PC parts. The difference is the games that are on consoles are set up to be compatible with the consoles specifically and a game on a PC has to be compatible with millions of different configurations so doesn't work as well with all of them but runs better than it will on any console with the PC set ups it was optimized for.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Why do we constantly debate over people's personal preferences? Yes, objectively and factually a hypothetical singular PC is better. But at the end of the day, it's whatever you can afford, whatever you want out of a machine, and what games you want to play that determines whether or not you buy a console over a PC.

There are a few singular variables we can actively say and endorse that PC is better than console in. There are even more, though, that rely solely on subjective opinion and response to circumstance. I'll defend PCs and I will defend consoles but I will not condone anyone trying to pick a "winner".

System wars are for children. Grow up, childrenz!!!1!111 ;0

 

[Vault101]

I would not give a fuck if some asshats would not start invading every decent discussion about technicalities with BS about "graphics don't matter" and that the gameplay is not different blah blah. Yes, it is different if I have only 30 FPS. Yes, it is different if I have a FoV under 90°. Yes, it is different if I have to put up with muddy textures if I was shown that it can be different. And why the fuck do people complain about elitist if they label every PC gamer "elitist"?

one that gets me....

"yeah but consoles are better for racers/platformers/action" *sigh* just plug a fucking cotroller in..there...done


anyway, I would only call somome a PC elitist if they act like your scum if you don't build it yourself or *gasp* consider using a laptop...I mean for fucks sake we all have preferences people....

 

[wabbbit]

None of them are superior.

The PC has lots of advantages that I won't list due to being obvious.

The console will work with any game. No specs. No drivers. No crashing.

 

[tau_random_dude]

Technicality-wise, there is next to no advantage over PC the console has.
<< (Best wording ever)

has spent nearly five grand on PC graphic cards, RAM, cases, mice, keybpoards, monitors, etc, since the 360 was released (Granted, that's not that much since the 360 came out in 2005, but still...five grand is a fair bit of money).

Jesus fuck! FIVE GRAND?!?!?!?! a decent gaming PC is 8-900 MAX.

 

[Kukakkau]

Ease of use (stick disk in and done, easy set up etc)
Less controls for the less dexterous players (kids, people with less pc experience etc)
No system requirements for games - they will all run fine
Cost of system compared to a gaming rig (excluding games costs)
Easy to relax while playing (can sprawl back in a chair/lie down, instead of having to be over keyboard and mouse)

 

[Angie7F]

You can plug it into a TV, pop a disc (or cartridge, cassette, possum skull, etc.) in, and play.
No having to be connected to servers, no having to wait for patches to download for hours, no having to deal with compatibility issues (unless you're trying to ram a SNES cart into a PS3), and you can just play.
Also, consoles are cheaper and require less work to maintain than a PC. A gaming rig needs upgrading every couple years with at least one or two new parts, and you've got to deal with all the issues of a PC as well as a console.
Sometimes, a consoles is just easier.

I am not 100 sure if this is a good analogy, but a console is like an iphone.
You buy it, you use it, it works.
Apps are approved by apple so usually it works fine.


Computer games are like androids.
The game may or may not work smoothly on your particular computer due to spec differences.
But if you are into fiddling around for the perfect setup, you have amazing gaming experience.

 

[Atmos Duality]

The advantage?
On the internet, it's mostly the privilege of calling PC gamers elitist.

Oh, and it doesn't take any work to set up and play.

 

[StriderShinryu]

The advantage to me is simple: The games. The types of games I like to play are on consoles and generally not on PC. So yeah, that's pretty much the personal nail in the coffin right there.

 

[conanthegamer]

In US you can't trade PC games. You can trade console games. While they don't give you a lot for those trade in's, they do help. If I pay $60 bucks for a new game and trade it in for $15 store credit. So I only spent $45 for that game. That is cheaper than you could buy that game off of Steam. Also considering PC games are starting to go for $60 on Steam. The big advantage to consoles is price. The initial price for the console is usually a one time fee of $300-$400 (or $600 for PS3). For a PC that runs most new games you're going to need around $1000. To play all games at the max settings, you would need twice that amount(or more). And that's not including doing upgrades. The other advantage is dealing with software and hardware compatibilities. It's nice to put in a game (download an update) and play it. 99% of the time I can play that game when I first stick a disk in the console. That can't be said for PC's . Although through my experience with PC gaming it's probably 90% of the time they work the first time.

 

[Reaper195]

Technicality-wise, there is next to no advantage over PC the console has.
<< (Best wording ever)

has spent nearly five grand on PC graphic cards, RAM, cases, mice, keybpoards, monitors, etc, since the 360 was released (Granted, that's not that much since the 360 came out in 2005, but still...five grand is a fair bit of money).

Jesus fuck! FIVE GRAND?!?!?!?! a decent gaming PC is 8-900 MAX.

Over the course of seven years. He goes through peripherals like a ************,nd has slagged god knows how many power supplies somehow.

Also, New Zealand doesn't get as cheaper a specials on PC stuff as it should.