So, when and how does the War on Terror end?
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Well, there is a danger, you see. Have you seen in Ghost in the Shell how America is referred to as an empire? Consider this... People stop believing the lie (whichever lie it is, per se) and don't buy into the political jargon. Government officials have a slip in the morality core and the next thing you know, they do things openly and without needing to justify themselves anymore. The danger with all of this is that they use the smokescreen in order to imply the gossamer-thin reassurance that Democracy is working. And really, it still functions, but the nation has...ALOT of power and influence, doesn't it? It pokes its head into affairs worldwide under the pretense of being the good guys. What happens when they stop pretending?Manji187 said:
when all them mother fucking terrorist die or surrender...and i mean al-queda and who ever openly attacks us.
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Also, does anyone else find it kinda off setting how many "when resources run dry", "oil",or "It will never end" statements there are?
pessimistic ain't we?
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Also, does anyone else find it kinda off setting how many "when resources run dry", "oil",or "It will never end" statements there are?
pessimistic ain't we?
Well The problem is the US has fallen into the Pothead/dealer syndrome. One of Americas biggest economic strengths is the weapons produced. But as any dealer knows, its impossible to make a profit if you have to keep dipping into your stash.
Perhaps if the "war on drugs" had ended, the US government would understand that simple principle.
Perhaps if the "war on drugs" had ended, the US government would understand that simple principle.
I'm not badmouthing the U.S. or anything. I'm merely stating what I think about the whole 'terror' thing as a concept and theorizing what happens when we abandon pretense. It might never happen, but you have to admit...of all the countries in the world, the U.S. could do it. Dominate? Could be...Manji187 said:
Oh I think it's pretty safe to leave out the "IMHO"...thaluikhain said:
What do you think that is worse? Roughly 3000 American lives lost in a matter of seconds....or a grand total of more than 100 times that number of Iraqi, Afghani and Pakistani lives (including children) spread over 10 years? I'm leaving out the combatants on either side.
It ends when every single terrorist is dead or gone and no one ever commits a terrorist act ever again...which is...
...hang on a second I need to do some calculations...
...never!
Whoops forgot to carry the 1...never ever.
...hang on a second I need to do some calculations...
...never!
Whoops forgot to carry the 1...never ever.
Well, yes, but it is a contentious issue so I'd thought I'd better stick that in.Manji187 said:
Also...well, they are only foreigns, and they don't speak English, so they aren't likely to be counted. Same reason you hear "No westerners were harmed" or some such at the end of a bad news story. "Pope diagnosed with cancer, no Americans were injured".
But even if you restrict it to the English speaking people (which is seen as a tautology)...no hard figures on casualties, but massive amounts of law enforcement funding has been diverted from dealing with common or garden crimes which continually actually happen, to dealing with vague nebulous hypothetical threats. Apparently organised crime in the US is having fun now that the FBI spends more than half it's budget on national security stuff nowdays.
I suspect when the war on drugs will end, in sorry disappoint meant when people are sick of wasting there money on something most people don't support.
It's sorta like the War on Drugs, it never will.
Why? Well, one reason is because it'll always be a useful excuse for governments to do shit that would normally piss people off.
Another being that terrorism gets results. Not always the hoped for results, but results nonetheless.
Why? Well, one reason is because it'll always be a useful excuse for governments to do shit that would normally piss people off.
Another being that terrorism gets results. Not always the hoped for results, but results nonetheless.
War...War Never Changes...
Seriously tho, i dont think it will ever end, oh it will change forms as new threats evolve or are created. But basically its too good a deal for governments to let go. Any freedom they want to curb, any right they want to restrict, they can just say its to fight terror and accuse those who disagree with them of harbouring terrorists (and eventually just dissapear them).
?Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.? Benjamin Franklin
Seriously tho, i dont think it will ever end, oh it will change forms as new threats evolve or are created. But basically its too good a deal for governments to let go. Any freedom they want to curb, any right they want to restrict, they can just say its to fight terror and accuse those who disagree with them of harbouring terrorists (and eventually just dissapear them).
?Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.? Benjamin Franklin
Ah..I see. Well...this seems like the perfect occasion to rape one of Stalin's quotes:thaluikhain said:
"The death of one American is a tragedy, the death of thousands of foreigners a statistic."
How wonderfully politically incorrect, wouldn't you say XD?
The War in Afghanistan/Iraq and the US sees it is over. We won when we killed Osama and we won when Sadam was hung. For politicians it will never be over, but, from a military standpoint it's over. The enemy is crushed. And just in case you haven't noticed, the US isn't the only country in Afghanistan.Manji187 said:
Militarily: we won it's over, there's no point in staying, so we are leaving.
Political: probably a massive failure politics wise, so their going to preach diligence and blah blah blah, we have to instate this law to protect such and such.