So who else is tired of complaints about brown shooters?

[Nuke_em_05]

I'm getting tired of these threads complaining that people are complaining about something. I'm going to start a thread complaining about threads that complain about people complaining.

I will title it "Complainception"

The sequel will complain about that, titled "Complainaggedon"

 

[Aegis A'Sha'Se]

Not I. I'm more tired of the greyscale's monochrome extravangaza in today's games.
Personally, I think these complaints are right. What was wrong with green anyway?

 

[Tay051173096]

Shrugs, having played through hell, outer-space and everywhere in between I can always choose to play something else.

Like Stalker or Unreal 3, a green (grass and tree's) AND brown (mud, dirt and wood)game...



Hang on, Surely most flight sims include large amounts of blue why not complain about that?

 

[dickywebster]

I only tend to apply this to the pure fps genre, theres been few games that dont want to be cod or halo released for them.

As for your original games, most of them are sequels, which kinda throws that claim into question.
Imnot saying they will be bad games, im gonna get saints row 3 and arkham city, but calling sequels original is kinda misleading or misguided depending on how you look at it.

 

[PurePareidolia]

Have you SEEN Serious Sam 3? it's easily browner than most of the others, which are really more greyish.

Not to mention things like Skyrim or Arkham city aren't even shooters. Complaining shooters are too brown is a problem with aesthetics, not gameplay, otherwise people would be complaining about "shooters".

 

[Racecarlock]

Ever considered that maybe the real complaint is that so many shooters are brown? Let's look at your list, and adjust it to drop other genres.

NeverDead, Firefall, Serious Sam 3

Compared to:

Modern Warfare 3, Ghost Recon, Battlefield 3, Gears of war 3.

I suppose just to be charitable, I'll throw in Mass Effect 3, but only for half a point, so the ratio's more like 3.5:4. I'd also note that all three "not brown" shooters are third-person shooters. If a person's looking for a first person shooter, they're stuck with brown. Also the others are all unconcerned with "gritty realism" and since Real Is Brown [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RealIsBrown]...

Just some food for thought. I don't really have any interest at all in the entire bottom row. Hell I've never even played an entry in any of those series.

All the things in that list were just off the top of my head. You probably don't want a list of everything I could find by looking things up. And of course you're going to find a bunch of brown if you only look at a small portion of shooters. But that wasn't my point anyways. My point was that not every single developer makes brown shooters like people say they do. Not every AAA game is a brown shooter. That was my point. The thing is that the people making this complaint are complaining about the WHOLE INDUSTRY. Not just shooters, not just military stuff, the WHOLE INDUSTRY. That's why I made this thread in the first place. Oh and that "Stuck with brown" thing? Look at halo. There's maybe one brown level in the whole thing? The rest is actually pretty colorful. Of course you're going to get more brown if you narrow things down. I could narrow sandbox games down to only realistic ones and complain that all we're getting are realistic sandbox games. See where that falls down?

 

[Jkudo]

Firstly I'd like to say that the last brown shooter I played was quake, and I don't really like brown shooters that much. That being said, like fucking clockwork, every single week, I see a complaint along the lines of "The industry is dead/has lost creativity because there's a lot of brown shooters coming out".

I have 2 problems with this complaint.

Problem 1. It's really ignorant. Look at the games coming up in the following months/years. Batman Arkham city, Saints Row The Third, Lollipop Chainsaw, NeverDead, Firefall, Once Upon A Monster, Mass Effect 3, Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, Serious Sam 3, and so on. Now, compare that list to this list. Modern Warfare 3, Ghost Recon, Battlefield 3, Gears of war 3.

So that's 8 original and/or non-shooter game franchises that are coming up, as opposed to the 4 brown shooter franchises getting another sequel, or in the case of gears 3, have already gotten one. Yeah, the original and colorful and/or non-shooter/shooter games outnumber the brown shooters by half, and that's just new releases, and I didn't even list EVERY original or non brown shooter/non-shooter release. Therefore, I can only conclude that these complaints come from people who only look at the industry for 5 minutes. Oh, here's another colorful and original shooter. Bioshock Infinite. Yeah. So don't bullshit me about how the whole industry is brown shooters, because it just plain goddamn is NOT.

Problem 2: It's really fucking repetitive.

I swear to god I read this complaint every other week. To be honest, what pushed me to write this was this topic right here http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.317641-Poll-Is-the-gaming-industry-losing-creativity .
Not only has it been probably the 100th damn time I've read the brown shooters complaint, but also the 50th time I've seen the "Gaming is dying" thing. People, come the fuck on. Hell, just browse gametrailers for a few minutes and you'll see that the industry is way more creative than you're giving it credit for. Oh sure, there's brown shooters and sports games. There's also sandbox games, fighting games, racing games, flying games, puzzle games, and many more.

So can you people please shut up about brown shooters? Yeah, they release quite often, but that doesn't mean EVERYONE is making one. It just means the people that are are making another sequel.

And I didn't even TALK about indie or flash games here, and just look at how diverse they are.

Thank you....so much...I have been so fucking sick of everyone complaining because a genre they may not like isn't popular. They exaggerate the number of brown shooters, even gears is actually a fairly visually impressive game. Gears 2 looks pretty bad to me and none of it seems to work but gears 3 looks much better and has a more unified aesthetic(i'm not a fan of the series). Battlefield 3 isn't my type of game but it's hardly brown. I'll give them MW3 though, but if it's only MW3 then what are they complaining about? Resistance is supposed to be dreary. Hard reset is hardly a brown shooter. What games are they referring to?

If you want something new, buy something new. Go buy a new ip. Go buy a point and click adventure game(MACHINARIUM!!!!!), buy the new sherlock homes game, buy the new game by the machinarium developers, just buy what you like. Stop complaining because you aren't in love with what's popular right now.

 

[Racecarlock]

Have you SEEN Serious Sam 3? it's easily browner than most of the others, which are really more greyish.

Not to mention things like Skyrim or Arkham city aren't even shooters. Complaining shooters are too brown is a problem with aesthetics, not gameplay, otherwise people would be complaining about "shooters".

I was not talking about just shooters, ok? People constantly say that brown shooters are all the entire triple A industry releases, and I wanted to prove that wrong. Why do people seem to think I was talking about only one genre? What, are shooters the only AAA genre that matters or something? The people that use the brown shooters complaint are trying to paint the whole industry, and I decided to refute that with a list of non-brown and non-shooter games that are coming out. Also, answer this. How does the complaint sound now when it's worded like this? "4 brown shooters are coming out, therefore the entire industry, regardless of genre, only releases brown shooters.". Doesn't sound very valid anymore does it?

 

[Jkudo]

I've posted this here before, but I'm gonna say it again -

The exact same "problem" exists with the new Fallout games. They're not just colorless, they have terrible textures and are generally depressing to look at (enemies are boring, environments are bland, character animations suck, glitches up the ass, etc etc).

But no one brings that up. Can't criticize our precious RPGs, can we? Shooters, on the other hand, are easier targets, so people go apeshit over them for no fucking reason.

Thank you for that. People complain about every shooter being realistic and brown, yet rarely any complaints about how often a midevil setting is used, or about how skyrim isn't a very colorful game either.

 

[lostlambda]

i will get tired of the complaints when they stop being true

 

[Declan Murray]

The brown shooter complaint worked. This year we have a ton of amazing games coming out that are not "brown shooters", which is a good thing, the industry seems to be focusing more on creative games this year, and on breaking the mold. Hopefully we continue down this path and "brown shooters" will end up like Disco, a sign of a lower point in a medium that sometimes comes along. We complained because they were not good games. There are no games comprable to Oblivion or Morrowind. There are games that look and play in a similar manner, but they're not as good. And there are games that are as good, but they don't look or play the same. We wouldn't have complained about games like Gears of War if they were transcendental experiences, but they weren't, they were all average games. If we wanted to play Gears of War we would have bought it, so we didn't need a millions Gears clones. It seems, to me, that we are coming to the end of that era of gaming, and may see a new trend take over.

 

[Phlakes]

Let's take a look at the "brown shooters" of this season.

-Gears of War 3 has a 91 on Metacritic (and don't even try saying all the critics are biased. They know about the whole "brown shooter" thing just as much as you and everyone else)
-Rage has been said to be surprisingly original and a worthy return for id
-Resistance 3 brought back non-regenerating health and no two-weapon limit
-Battlefield 3 is mixing the amazing multiplayer from Bad Company 2 and BF2, and the graphics are wonderful (and colorful)
-MW3 I won't get into because there's a wall of fire and blind rage too big for reason to get through

And, very importantly, why is it a bad thing in the first place? One, people (obviously) like these games, otherwise they wouldn't sell millions. Two, look at the developers for the above games. Every one of them but Insomniac either primarily or exclusively makes shooters. There's no killing of the industry here. It's developers doing what they want to do, and what they're good at. And three, if you have such a problem with them that you can't even bring yourself to pick one up, then just don't. It really is that simple, you're just making it difficult.

 

[Nomanslander]

There are people that simply don't like shooters, calling them "brown" is just one of their common insults. If they had it there way the industry would be filled with indie games like Minecraft and all shooters would disappear. Leading people like me to kill every single one of these bastards that made it that way with my bare hands. >:/

 

[Racecarlock]

I just want people using that complaint to generalize the entire industry. That's the thing. People don't narrow it down to just shooters or just one or two companies. They always ALWAYS say "The game industry" instead of "The shooter genre" or "These companies right here". It's always the whole damn industry. And that's just not true. I didn't even include games that are out now, indie games, or upcoming XBLA titles for that matter. If I did factor those in, there would probably be a wall of game titles. Be more specific, and narrow it down. If you want to complain about brown shooters, fine. But don't say that the entire industry is dying or has lost all creativity because of their mere existence. That's just plain wrong. Not to mention overdramatic. Some of you guys would give Jeff Goldblum a run for his money.

 

[Johnny Impact]

I agree the turd-smear aesthetic is used too often, but sometimes it's the right choice. Brown is appropriate to games like Metro or Fallout, where everything is old, derelict, and made of/coated with dirt/rust/dust/ash/trash. There are real world locations today that look a lot like brown shooters. Do a Google Image search for "rust belt abandoned".

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Skyrim won't be a generic run of the mill brown game, its mostly white.

I don't mind people ragging on games for being too brown or too grey. Sooner or later the devs will hear that people are constantly bitching about how the latest games have a palette made up of 5 colours, 3 of them being shades of brown/grey. And maybe, maybe, they might do something about it.

If not, look at vanilla Oblivion and compare it to some of the environmental mods out there. Fallout 3 too. If the devs won't or can't fix it, the players will.

 

[valleyshrew]

What annoys me is people complaining about shooters full stop. War is in many ways the most significant part of human history, war games were ALWAYS going to be popular and it's not just a fad or phase. Sports are just war simulations with the violence removed because it's not a virtual environment. Shooters have increased in popularity because online multiplayer and graphics have got to the stage where they have casual appeal. I do wish more games offered pacifist playthroughs (metal gear solid, deus ex, fallout do...would be great with GTA or final fantasy for example) to allow more engaging narratives and settings and more gameplay variance (ffxiii was just combat, ffvii had dozens of gameplay types and even a theme park), but shooting things is not a lack of creativity. There really are not some magical new ideas people can come up with. Every film is either action, drama, comedy, romance etc. Every game is either rpg, shooter, sport, rts. There just aren't any options for wildly new experiences so get used to shooters being around they're never going away.