So why do people believe that the PS4 is just $50usd more expensive than Wii U?

[Negatempest]

Okay, in theory advocates for the PS4 compared to the Wii U say that the $50 difference will change consumer opinion. But never go into details of what the Wii U has for those $350usd. At the basic level, the Wii U is more or less a $300 dollar machine. Get the Deluxe version which includes a game, the consumer pays $10 less for a $60 retail game, aka $350usd.

The Ps4, to our knowledge comes with no AAA game at $399usd. Meaning that once you purchase your first AAA next gen game you are looking at a $458usd machine. The ps4 is now $98 more expensive than the wii u with bundled game. Now if you just compare the game-less Wii U to the game-less ps4 the price is now $99usd more expensive than the wiiu. That is still a difference that was for some reason brushed under the rug.

Now if you want ZombiU with a controller you are familiar with instead of Nintendo Land. The bundle at Amazon is going for $409usd right now. Wii U Deluxe ($350) + ZombiU ($60) + Pro Controller ($50). You looking at a bundle that would of cost $460 individually sold. Set at $409 at Amazon, or even cheaper at Gamestop of all places. And yet all that and still cheaper than a ps4 with just one game.

So at this point the way I see it. You'd either want a WiiU or a PS4 and price has nothing to do with it. It's the games, or brand loyalty.

Edit: Sorry for title, catches people more that way.

 

[Maxtro]

At the basic level, the Wii U is more or less a $300 dollar machine. Get the Deluxe version which includes a game, the consumer pays $10 less for a $60 retail game, aka $350usd.

You're assuming that Nintendo Land is worth $60. The going price for used on eBay is ~$10. ZombiU is going for ~$15. And yes, eBay both games are old and are not worth MSRP.

The biggest problem is that Nintendo is having a hell of a time convincing people that the Wii U is worth $300.

Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $200 for it. It's barely more powerful than a PS3, and I can buy a 12 GB PS3 for $200.

I'd pick up a $250 Super Mario 3D World bundle if it ever comes out. Which it should.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Probably because people see the basic Wii U as a complete waste of money and don't even consider it. I mean, for $50 more you get an extra 24 GB of storage, 10% off digital purchases (I think) and Nintendo Land. When you look at it that way, buying the Basic model seems foolish.

Now that we are only left with the $350 model, there is only a $50 price difference.

"...but the Wii U comes with a game...", to many people Nintendo Land is Wii Sports. It's worth no more than $20 and is not the same as buying a $60 AAA PS4 game. In other words, they will pay $350 for the Wii U and then buy NSMB U for $60 which brings the price up to $410.

 

[Negatempest]

At the basic level, the Wii U is more or less a $300 dollar machine. Get the Deluxe version which includes a game, the consumer pays $10 less for a $60 retail game, aka $350usd.

You're assuming that Nintendo Land is worth $60. The going price for used on eBay is ~$10. ZombiU is going for ~$15. And yes, eBay both games are old and are not worth MSRP.

The biggest problem is that Nintendo is having a hell of a time convincing people that the Wii U is worth $300.

Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $200 for it. It's barely more powerful than a PS3, and I can buy a 12 GB PS3 for $200.

I'd pick up a $250 Super Mario 3D World bundle if it ever comes out. Which it should.

from which is a personal opinion. hell i dont think fallout 3 was worth $60 considering how often it froze or bugged out on me. but both nintendo land and fallout gave lots of content so their worth is there.

 

[Negatempest]

Probably because people see the basic Wii U as a complete waste of money and don't even consider it. I mean, for $50 more you get an extra 24 GB of storage, 10% off digital purchases (I think) and Nintendo Land. When you look at it that way, buying the Basic model seems foolish.

Now that we are only left with the $350 model, there is only a $50 price difference.

"...but the Wii U comes with a game...", to many people Nintendo Land is Wii Sports. It's worth no more than $20 and is not the same as buying a $60 AAA PS4 game. In other words, they will pay $350 for the Wii U and then buy NSMB U for $60 which brings the price up to $410.

so your saying that their bundle is more promising than there basic? isnt that the point? and as said the zombiu bundle is $409 on amazon. $389 in a gamestop store if you can get one near you. thus a far better price deal than a ps4 alone or with a game.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Probably because people see the basic Wii U as a complete waste of money and don't even consider it. I mean, for $50 more you get an extra 24 GB of storage, 10% off digital purchases (I think) and Nintendo Land. When you look at it that way, buying the Basic model seems foolish.

Now that we are only left with the $350 model, there is only a $50 price difference.

"...but the Wii U comes with a game...", to many people Nintendo Land is Wii Sports. It's worth no more than $20 and is not the same as buying a $60 AAA PS4 game. In other words, they will pay $350 for the Wii U and then buy NSMB U for $60 which brings the price up to $410.

so your saying that their bundle is more promising than there basic? isnt that the point? and as said the zombiu bundle is $409 on amazon. $389 in a gamestop store if you can get one near you. thus a far better price deal than a ps4 alone or with a game.

Yes, let's count sale prices instead of MSRP because it supports your case!

I am saying that the extra $50 for the Wii U Deluxe (with or without the tech demo known as Nintendo Land) is still a better deal than the Basic model.

.

 

[Negatempest]

Probably because people see the basic Wii U as a complete waste of money and don't even consider it. I mean, for $50 more you get an extra 24 GB of storage, 10% off digital purchases (I think) and Nintendo Land. When you look at it that way, buying the Basic model seems foolish.

Now that we are only left with the $350 model, there is only a $50 price difference.

"...but the Wii U comes with a game...", to many people Nintendo Land is Wii Sports. It's worth no more than $20 and is not the same as buying a $60 AAA PS4 game. In other words, they will pay $350 for the Wii U and then buy NSMB U for $60 which brings the price up to $410.

so your saying that their bundle is more promising than there basic? isnt that the point? and as said the zombiu bundle is $409 on amazon. $389 in a gamestop store if you can get one near you. thus a far better price deal than a ps4 alone or with a game.

Yes, let's count sale prices instead of MSRP because it supports your case!

I am saying that the extra $50 for the Wii U Deluxe (with or without the tech demo known as Nintendo Land) is still a better deal than the Basic model.

.

And I agree. It just shouldn't be a surprise it is a better deal. That does not mean you discount the game. Also I was counting the MSRP instead of the sales price for the game to support my case.

 

[Negatempest]

At the basic level, the Wii U is more or less a $300 dollar machine. Get the Deluxe version which includes a game, the consumer pays $10 less for a $60 retail game, aka $350usd.

You're assuming that Nintendo Land is worth $60. The going price for used on eBay is ~$10. ZombiU is going for ~$15. And yes, eBay both games are old and are not worth MSRP.

The biggest problem is that Nintendo is having a hell of a time convincing people that the Wii U is worth $300.

Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $200 for it. It's barely more powerful than a PS3, and I can buy a 12 GB PS3 for $200.

I'd pick up a $250 Super Mario 3D World bundle if it ever comes out. Which it should.

And it isn't assuming that the ps4 price is a better deal? Here's what's wrong with your assumption on ebay prices, that they are a great indicator of the quality of the games, Ebay isn't for that. Super Mario Bros. came with a Nintendo console, it is a great game. Worthless compared to other NES games because of how abundant it is. My whole OP was that at the end of the day games or brand loyalty is what is going to make a person buy a ps4 or Wii U, not the price.

 

[Yopaz]

Probably because people see the basic Wii U as a complete waste of money and don't even consider it. I mean, for $50 more you get an extra 24 GB of storage, 10% off digital purchases (I think) and Nintendo Land. When you look at it that way, buying the Basic model seems foolish.

Now that we are only left with the $350 model, there is only a $50 price difference.

"...but the Wii U comes with a game...", to many people Nintendo Land is Wii Sports. It's worth no more than $20 and is not the same as buying a $60 AAA PS4 game. In other words, they will pay $350 for the Wii U and then buy NSMB U for $60 which brings the price up to $410.

so your saying that their bundle is more promising than there basic? isnt that the point? and as said the zombiu bundle is $409 on amazon. $389 in a gamestop store if you can get one near you. thus a far better price deal than a ps4 alone or with a game.

If you're going to think amount spent, then sure. If you by value mean what you end up with then that's fairly subjective. Sure, you'll pay less for a Wii U with a game than you will pay for a PS4 without a game, but if you're not interested in the games that are out for Wii U or the game that you get with it then what's the point?

Also the PS4 comes with 500 GB rather than 8 or 32GB.

Really, I pre-ordered a Wii U, I love the thing, but you've managed to annoy me. You're not making proficient arguments here. You are making excuses.

 

[Something Amyss]

from which is a personal opinion.

Well there you have it. If you're allowed to assume mathematical value because "opinion" so are others.

Let the rest of us compare apples to apples.

If you want that major, AAA Nintendo game, you're still spending money, too. Huh. Fair and equatable? Yup.

 

[PoolCleaningRobot]

So at this point the way I see it. You'd either want a WiiU or a PS4 and price has nothing to do with it. It's the games, or brand loyalty.

Its not nearly that simple. A console is an investment and I would need to see that Nintendo is going is going to bring something worth while to the Wii U. Sony has a history of pleasing me so I'll stick with them until they do something to put me off. If that means I'm "loyal" to them then so be it. My Wii was one of the most misguided purchases I ever made. Good games? Sure but not a single Wii title appeals to me as much my ps3/pc games. Yes, the buggy as fuck ps3 version of fallout 3 was better than every single Wii game I own combined. Its not only about the exclusives Sony has now, but what they could have in the future. Given they're willing fund niche indi games and advertise them, I'm already interested in what I might get to play

And despite what others ***** about, I want a console with added features. The ps4 has game capture, integrated Twitch streaming, and specs that were designed to have features added in the future. And that's only off the top of my list. So no, its not just games and brand loyalty. Nintendo doesn't even have an account system for their digital games. I sometimes love Nintendo's old fashioned way of thinking when it comes to games, but damn, get with the times.

And don't misread this. I may buy a Wii U at some point in the future. Its not horrible, but's not appealing to me at this price point right now. It would only be my "Nintendo machine" as far as I'm concerned so I would not be spending more than $250 on it

 

[Negatempest]

Probably because people see the basic Wii U as a complete waste of money and don't even consider it. I mean, for $50 more you get an extra 24 GB of storage, 10% off digital purchases (I think) and Nintendo Land. When you look at it that way, buying the Basic model seems foolish.

Now that we are only left with the $350 model, there is only a $50 price difference.

"...but the Wii U comes with a game...", to many people Nintendo Land is Wii Sports. It's worth no more than $20 and is not the same as buying a $60 AAA PS4 game. In other words, they will pay $350 for the Wii U and then buy NSMB U for $60 which brings the price up to $410.

so your saying that their bundle is more promising than there basic? isnt that the point? and as said the zombiu bundle is $409 on amazon. $389 in a gamestop store if you can get one near you. thus a far better price deal than a ps4 alone or with a game.

If you're going to think amount spent, then sure. If you by value mean what you end up with then that's fairly subjective. Sure, you'll pay less for a Wii U with a game than you will pay for a PS4 without a game, but if you're not interested in the games that are out for Wii U or the game that you get with it then what's the point?

Also the PS4 comes with 500 GB rather than 8 or 32GB.

Really, I pre-ordered a Wii U, I love the thing, but you've managed to annoy me. You're not making proficient arguments here. You are making excuses.

And thus miss the final point. The games make the console, not the price.

 

[Caiphus]

And thus miss the final point. The games make the console, not the price.

I'm afraid I do not understand your position at all.

Why did 80% of your OP consist of you comparing the prices of the PS4 and the Wii U, just for you to then say "Don't pay attention to the price, only to the games and brand loyalty".?

 

[Negatempest]

from which is a personal opinion.

Well there you have it. If you're allowed to assume mathematical value because "opinion" so are others.

Let the rest of us compare apples to apples.

If you want that major, AAA Nintendo game, you're still spending money, too. Huh. Fair and equatable? Yup.

There is product value (how much you personally like a product) and there is price value(How much is being asked or MSRP). Product value will always differ depending on the individual because you compare if what your getting on the Wii U is worth the asking price compared to the PS4. Now when that $50 difference pops up the people debating it are not comparing MSRP, they are comparing personal worth. Because the main difference with a console without a game compared to another console without a game is about $100. What you can get with that extra $100 can be up to debate.

 

[Negatempest]

So at this point the way I see it. You'd either want a WiiU or a PS4 and price has nothing to do with it. It's the games, or brand loyalty.

Its not nearly that simple. A console is an investment and I would need to see that Nintendo is going is going to bring something worth while to the Wii U. Sony has a history of pleasing me so I'll stick with them until they do something to put me off. If that means I'm "loyal" to them then so be it. My Wii was one of the most misguided purchases I ever made. Good games? Sure but not a single Wii title appeals to me as much my ps3/pc games. Yes, the buggy as fuck ps3 version of fallout 3 was better than every single Wii game I own combined. Its not only about the exclusives Sony has now, but what they could have in the future. Given they're willing fund niche indi games and advertise them, I'm already interested in what I might get to play

And despite what others ***** about, I want a console with added features. The ps4 has game capture, integrated Twitch streaming, and specs that were designed to have features added in the future. And that's only off the top of my list. So no, its not just games and brand loyalty. Nintendo doesn't even have an account system for their digital games. I sometimes love Nintendo's old fashioned way of thinking when it comes to games, but damn, get with the times.

And don't misread this. I may buy a Wii U at some point in the future. Its not horrible, but's not appealing to me at this price point right now. It would only be my "Nintendo machine" as far as I'm concerned so I would not be spending more than $250 on it

Oh brand loyalty is not a bad thing, nor is thinking the games are more your thing. I am saying that they are a huge factor is deciding though. I agree that Sony themselves are great to their audience. What got me a Wii U console was not Sony, but the 3rd party developers/publishers. I do not need to list the issues because you obviously know what issues I would mention. But Sony does not have that many 1st party games I am interested in to warrant a purchase compared to the Wii U.

 

[Negatempest]

And thus miss the final point. The games make the console, not the price.

I'm afraid I do not understand your position at all.

Why did 80% of your OP consist of you comparing the prices of the PS4 and the Wii U, just for you to then say "Don't pay attention to the price, only to the games and brand loyalty".?

Because comparing MSRP between consoles makes as much sense as I wrote on the OP, from which is what I see a whole lot on this site and others. When in the end it's a simple solution or outcome to say your console will be decided by games and brand loyalty. Plus either console isn't that bad of a price considering what you are getting for each one, when you look at them unbiased.

 

[Yopaz]

And thus miss the final point. The games make the console, not the price.

Then why argue it from the point of the price? Why make your thread title about the price?

I agree, the games make the console, make that argument rather than the one you started, because honestly, you can't change the fact that the Wii U costs 350 if you want more than 8 GB hard drive. Please, the next time you make a thread, try to make sense. You say I missed your point and well, I guess I did. Because you rant about price and value I thought this was about the price. Can you understand why I would get confused here?

Also, debating the quality of the games is stupid. There are no games for PS4 because it's not out yet. The Wii U also hasn't really struck gold with any of its titles and we can't say it ever will. Nor can we say the PS4 will have quality games.

Oh, and you wanted to point out the value for the Zombie U bundle. Well, let's take a look at the facts.

I went to Amazon and checked the price of the Zombie U bundle. It costs 409.85, then I added Zombie U, a classic Controller pro and a Wii U deluxe set and the total price ended up at 408.11. So you're not getting a good value from that bundle. You're getting it at roughly the same price.

Plus either console isn't that bad of a price considering what you are getting for each one, when you look at them unbiased.

Your line of thinking is far from unbiased.

 

[Caiphus]

Because comparing MSRP between consoles makes as much sense as I wrote on the OP, from which is what I see a whole lot on this site and others. When in the end it's a simple solution or outcome to say your console will be decided by games and brand loyalty. Plus either console isn't that bad of a price considering what you are getting for each one, when you look at them unbiased.

I think I understand now.

I'm not a huge fan of the idea of brand loyalty. I don't think it's smart consumer behaviour to be loyal to one company. One of the good things about being a consumer is the ability to take your money elsewhere.

That said, if a company has given you products that you enjoy, and you expect them to continue, then why mess with the status quo? I can understand that. And the opposite is true, if a company continually lets you down, then there's nothing wrong with being reluctant to deal with them again. Hell, this community shows it by being - almost absurdly at times - anti-EA. And perhaps with good reason.


Anyway, your argument: that people should care about games. I would tend to agree. Any economics course will tell you that consumers will want to maximise their utility, or as you put it in layman's terms, their value, or enjoyment, or whatever word you want to use. Where does one get their utility when it comes to video games? Well, not much is gained from the box itself. There are some unique features to each console that might play a small part; you might have a preference for a controller or (again) brand loyalty. You might prefer the Xbox achievement system. You might be wary of Microsoft's DRM policy making a return. But the majority of utility comes from the games. So one should, theoretically, focus on that.

The other thing that an economics course will teach you is that price is generally pretty darn important though. In fact, it's really a lot of it . You say that 50-100 USD isn't important enough. I'd tend to agree here too. When a console generation lasts 5+ years a small extra investment shouldn't make that much difference.

However, that said, the consensus seems to be that the Xbone being 100 USD more expensive than the PS4 is a deal breaker. So what explains that?

Perhaps the fact that, really, the expected game libraries for the Xbone and the PS4 are pretty similar. So realistically, the utility, or value, gained from either system is likely to be roughly the same. They are substitutes, and rather good ones. So why not pay 100 USD less for a substitute?
Now, the Wii U's expected library is going to be much different. So that has implications. And would explain the low sales. People don't think they will get enough value from the system, despite it being cheaper than the PS4.

Anyway, that's my rant done. Some economics PhD student can come and tell me off now.

 

[shootthebandit]

The Ps4, to our knowledge comes with no game at $399usd

youre pulling my dick, no way is the PS4 priced at $400

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-4-PS4/dp/B00BE4HOIM/ref=sr_tr_sr_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377440215&sr=8-1&keywords=ps4

as you can see here the PS4 ships in the UK for £350. At the current exchange thats roughly $550 USD.

If i bought it at $400 USD id be saving £100. even if shipping came to £50 it would still be £50 cheaper which would be another game and a few pints

 

[WeepingAngels]

The Ps4, to our knowledge comes with no game at $399usd

youre pulling my dick, no way is the PS4 priced at $400

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-4-PS4/dp/B00BE4HOIM/ref=sr_tr_sr_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377440215&sr=8-1&keywords=ps4

as you can see here the PS4 ships in the UK for £350. At the current exchange thats roughly $550 USD.

If i bought it at $400 USD id be saving £100. even if shipping came to £50 it would still be £50 cheaper which would be another game and a few pints

The PS4 is $400, are you not keeping up?

http://gizmodo.com/sonys-ps4-is-400-512483428

The One is $500. http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-launches-in-november-for-500-512324271