OK, I agree... What were we arguing about again?Negatempest said:Oh brand loyalty is not a bad thing, nor is thinking the games are more your thing. I am saying that they are a huge factor is deciding though. I agree that Sony themselves are great to their audience. What got me a Wii U console was not Sony, but the 3rd party developers/publishers. I do not need to list the issues because you obviously know what issues I would mention.But Sony does not have that many 1st party games I am interested in to warrant a purchase compared to the Wii U.
So why do people believe that the PS4 is just $50usd more expensive than Wii U?
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Sooo.... you made a thread basically stating that People are going to buy what they want, because they want it? Well Done. Glad we're all in agreement about that.Negatempest said:
Because it's S50usd more expensive then the PS4? Unless you buy the basic set which is $100usd less then the PS4.
Who are these people again? I've never once heard this argument. I don't think I've ever actually seen an argument comparing price points, the most likely comeback is that you should compare it to the PS3 which is more comparable in specs.
You don't see the PS4 getting compared to the 360 either, sure the 360 has bundles, is cheaper, has more games, but in the end it's old tech, and that's why it's not good to compare the Wii-U either.
im sorry if i dont keep up with the price of a product in a different country. If it is $400 do you think it would be possible for me to import one (assuming like the PS3 isnt region locked)? because at the current exchange rate its £100 ($150) cheaper in the USAWeepingAngels said:
Actually, I could swear I saw a post from someone from the UK who said importing a ps4 from the US isn't that much cheaper. I think it had something to do with taxes because in America because we don't include taxes with the price and there's some kind of tax most Europeans have that we don'tshootthebandit said:
In the time it took you to type up a post telling us how the PS4 can't be $400, you could have just googled it yourself and then no one would have to ask you if you keep up with gaming news.shootthebandit said:
...or you could have just taken the OP's word for it. I mean if the OP is wrong about the price, don't you think someone would have pointed it out before you went on about exchange rates?
I guess my point is...ask a silly* question, get a silly* answer.
* Not the word I wanted to use but figured it better than a warning.
A thing- any thing- is only WORTH what someone is willing to pay to own it. Talk about MSRP or eBay all you like, if no one wants that thing it's value is low. Simply supply and demand. And for now, Wii U is all supply and no demand.
Of course that'll change. Nintendo products always eventually get to a place of desirability. But Pikmin and Zelda remakes just aren't the draw they were banking on. It'll get there. You know, once they take Kirby off the shelf and shove his glorious pink ass into the HD machine and out pops some more of that digital joy that Ninty is so good at.
Of course that'll change. Nintendo products always eventually get to a place of desirability. But Pikmin and Zelda remakes just aren't the draw they were banking on. It'll get there. You know, once they take Kirby off the shelf and shove his glorious pink ass into the HD machine and out pops some more of that digital joy that Ninty is so good at.
What is this is the OP trolling first you talk about the price being a deciding factor then go around to say that games and brand loyalty are the deciding factor.
OT: perceived value. For example the $100 is the breaking point between the Xbox and the Ps4 because they are basically the same thing in terms of hardware but in the case of the Wii U it is significantly weaker in terms of hardware and the game given with the bundle is considered a tech demo when i got my Wii I got Wii play and sports with it for free but I don't consider play is a game and I don't think that play and sport value is reflected in the price especially since it seemed that it came with every Wii (IDK). it is a case by case reason.
captacha: game is up lol.
OT: perceived value. For example the $100 is the breaking point between the Xbox and the Ps4 because they are basically the same thing in terms of hardware but in the case of the Wii U it is significantly weaker in terms of hardware and the game given with the bundle is considered a tech demo when i got my Wii I got Wii play and sports with it for free but I don't consider play is a game and I don't think that play and sport value is reflected in the price especially since it seemed that it came with every Wii (IDK). it is a case by case reason.
captacha: game is up lol.
Value added tax (VAT) is a 20% tax we pay on everything we buy which is included in the £350 price tagPoolCleaningRobot said:
we also have to pay import taxes if it was imported as well as shipping and handling fees. My dad sometimes works in america so if hes over there i could get him to bring me one back which would negate all those fees
Negatempest said:There is product value (how much you personally like a product) and there is price value(How much is being asked or MSRP). Product value will always differ depending on the individual because you compare if what your getting on the Wii U is worth the asking price compared to the PS4. Now when that $50 difference pops up the people debating it are not comparing MSRP, they are comparing personal worth. Because the main difference with a console without a game compared to another console without a game is about $100. What you can get with that extra $100 can be up to debate.
If you save the 100 bucks you'll likely need to waste some of it on storage, given the issues with the size of the system update vs the actual storage available.
But I digress. If you lower it to the standards of "a game," as you just did, then compare apples to apples again. You can guy any old cheap game from the PSN store or the like to much the same effect. Unless you're going to tell me that Nintendo Land is the equivalent of a AAA game, in which case you're kind of the one bringing "value" into it. But "a game?" You narrow the price disparity rather quickly.
Apples to apples, you're at best talking a 70 dollar price difference. And even then, I do question the value of saving money by getting more limited functionality (unless, of course, you REEEEEEEEALLY need a tablet).
Then again, I question the value of getting either console, or an Xbone, at this point. Unless you really want exclusives, of course, and that goes right back to your "subjective" argument.
If I decide to get a console for the next gen (which I'm seriously considering), the $50 wouldn't matter to me at all. That's because the WiiU doesn't really have next-gen capabilities, and is therefore not a next-gen console.
The real question is: "Do you want next-gen games or Nintendo first party games?", so I don't think that the $50 difference will change anyone's decision either way.
Price is a good point when choosing between the PS4 and Xbone since their game libraries are going to be mostly identical.
The real question is: "Do you want next-gen games or Nintendo first party games?", so I don't think that the $50 difference will change anyone's decision either way.
Price is a good point when choosing between the PS4 and Xbone since their game libraries are going to be mostly identical.
My only question is why do you care what other people buy and what their reasons may be? I'm going to buy <spoiler=Do Not Click This>a PS4 and the reason I'm going to buy a <spoiler=Do Not Click This>PS4 is that <spoiler=Do Not Click This>I long ago stopped caring about Mario, Zelda, I never cared for Metroid, I don't play kart racers, I don't play fighting games so SSB is out, and the PS4 will continue to carry all the games I do play. I'm not buying until the library is fuller but I will eventually.
Did you click on the spoiler tags? Why? It doesn't make any difference.
Did you click on the spoiler tags? Why? It doesn't make any difference.
actually, if you count the free to play games that you can download there's:Negatempest said:
Blacklight: Retribution
DC Universe Online
Planetside 2
war thunder
Warframe
also if you have a ps plus membership you can play(some of these may be for a limited time):
drive club
don't starve
outlast
Of course your getting crazy good sale prices on Amazon. That's like saying that Skyrim is worth the same amount that you find on steam sales.Yopaz said:
And it may look very biased, but it isn't. Never had I said a person should not choose a ps4 over a Wii U. I am saying that what each system is worth depends on the individual and price isn't much of a consideration. For me a Wii U is obvious because I share a TV with my little bros. So having access to my games while they play the Xbox360 or PS3 is a huge plus. If that doesn't matter to you, that's okay. A PS4 is a good system as well, just not the pinnacle of gaming as what the media places it as.
And I agree with you with all my heart. Though for the Xbox One, maybe all those Kinect functions are a nice incentive for some consumers.Caiphus said:I think I understand now.Negatempest said:Because comparing MSRP between consoles makes as much sense as I wrote on the OP, from which is what I see a whole lot on this site and others. When in the end it's a simple solution or outcome to say your console will be decided by games and brand loyalty.
I'm not a huge fan of the idea of brand loyalty. I don't think it's smart consumer behaviour to be loyal to one company. One of the good things about being a consumer is the ability to take your money elsewhere.
That said, if a company has given you products that you enjoy, and you expect them to continue, then why mess with the status quo? I can understand that. And the opposite is true, if a company continually lets you down, then there's nothing wrong with being reluctant to deal with them again. Hell, this community shows it by being - almost absurdly at times - anti-EA. And perhaps with good reason.
Anyway, your argument: that people should care about games. I would tend to agree. Any economics course will tell you that consumers will want to maximise their utility, or as you put it in layman's terms, their value, or enjoyment, or whatever word you want to use. Where does one get their utility when it comes to video games? Well, not much is gained from the box itself. There are some unique features to each console that might play a small part; you might have a preference for a controller or (again) brand loyalty. You might prefer the Xbox achievement system. You might be wary of Microsoft's DRM policy making a return. But the majority of utility comes from the games. So one should, theoretically, focus on that.
The other thing that an economics course will teach you is that price is generally pretty darn important though. In fact, it's really a lot of it
However, that said, the consensus seems to be that the Xbone being 100 USD more expensive than the PS4 is a deal breaker. So what explains that?
Perhaps the fact that, really, the expected game libraries for the Xbone and the PS4 are pretty similar. So realistically, the utility, or value, gained from either system is likely to be roughly the same. They are substitutes, and rather good ones. So why not pay 100 USD less for a substitute?
Now, the Wii U's expected library is going to be much different. So that has implications. And would explain the low sales. People don't think they will get enough value from the system, despite it being cheaper than the PS4.
Anyway, that's my rant done. Some economics PhD student can come and tell me off now.
Give a bro a hug than.PoolCleaningRobot said:OK, I agree... What were we arguing about again?Negatempest said:Oh brand loyalty is not a bad thing, nor is thinking the games are more your thing. I am saying that they are a huge factor is deciding though. I agree that Sony themselves are great to their audience. What got me a Wii U console was not Sony, but the 3rd party developers/publishers. I do not need to list the issues because you obviously know what issues I would mention.
You would believe that very answer would be in the media's mind more often.Kyr Knightbane said:
Clever, but not really the direction I was going and I have myself to blame. What I meant is that there is more value per console highly dependent on each individuals living circumstances. For example. The Wii U has a controller function of a built in screen. Since I have many little brothers with all of us sharing the same TV playing the Xbox360 or PS4, the controller is a huge plus. While compared to the PS4, though far better graphically intensive..I think that is the right phrase, I would not enjoy it as much as I would like. Thus value is made, but not really a biased one. More of a circumstantial one. So the whole debating over the $50-$100 difference is meaningless compared to what you can get from each console.Zachary Amaranth said:Negatempest said:There is product value (how much you personally like a product) and there is price value(How much is being asked or MSRP). Product value will always differ depending on the individual because you compare if what your getting on the Wii U is worth the asking price compared to the PS4. Now when that $50 difference pops up the people debating it are not comparing MSRP, they are comparing personal worth. Because the main difference with a console without a game compared to another console without a game is about $100. What you can get with that extra $100 can be up to debate.
If you save the 100 bucks you'll likely need to waste some of it on storage, given the issues with the size of the system update vs the actual storage available.
But I digress. If you lower it to the standards of "a game," as you just did, then compare apples to apples again. You can guy any old cheap game from the PSN store or the like to much the same effect. Unless you're going to tell me that Nintendo Land is the equivalent of a AAA game, in which case you're kind of the one bringing "value" into it. But "a game?" You narrow the price disparity rather quickly.
Apples to apples, you're at best talking a 70 dollar price difference. And even then, I do question the value of saving money by getting more limited functionality (unless, of course, you REEEEEEEEALLY need a tablet).
Then again, I question the value of getting either console, or an Xbone, at this point. Unless you really want exclusives, of course, and that goes right back to your "subjective" argument.