So...why doesn't EA just make KOTOR 3 already?

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bastardofmelbourne

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Saviordd1 said:
As the only one who liked TOR I'd suggest that for you honestly, its not terrible.

That said it depends on what Disney wants to do more than anything.
I liked (and still play) TOR.I think most of the reason it garners so much hate from KOTOR fans is that they feel it killed their chance at a KOTOR 3.

Which is silly, really. KOTOR 3 never would have been made in the first place. The series wasn't popular enough.

Mekado said:
Yes, i'm sure EA is quite eager to throw some more money at a "super-sure to return our investement tenfold" Star Wars project again...
EA probably has made back their investment a few times over. TOR utterly failed to unseat WoW, but EA still made buckets of money. Not WoW-scale money, but not so little that you'd call it a failure.

Whether that was "worth it" probably depends on how you assess the opportunity cost of the several years spent in development, but that's the same logic that says that Dead Space 3 needs to move 5 million copies to "succeed."
 

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TOR gets a bad rap because while the writing as a whole is pretty solid you have to deal with the MMO grinding and playtime padding between the really cool bits. Rather than KOTOR 3 I'd be happy if they tightened TOR so that you go from story mission to story mission without padding and can complete each class story in 40-50 hours or so. THEN it becomes an MMO where you can raid/PvP/microtransact to your heart's content.
I think the game would have actually sold better if it had been billed as KOTOR 3 with 8 fully fleshed out single player campaigns and ongoing endgame content for those who want it. Heck, I'd have bought it just for the single player and the prospect of raiding and PvPing after completing the main game would have been a tempting extra. Am I alone in thinking this?
 

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Bioware decided to make a stupid MMO instead of a proper KOTOR sequel. But hey they did make Mass Effect which is awesome too, but hopefully they will make a new KOTOR next gen.
 

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bastardofmelbourne said:
Saviordd1 said:
As the only one who liked TOR I'd suggest that for you honestly, its not terrible.

That said it depends on what Disney wants to do more than anything.
I liked (and still play) TOR.I think most of the reason it garners so much hate from KOTOR fans is that they feel it killed their chance at a KOTOR 3.

Which is silly, really. KOTOR 3 never would have been made in the first place. The series wasn't popular enough.
The series was so unpopular that the third game was one of the most ambitious, high-budget games ever.
 

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The Crotch said:
bastardofmelbourne said:
Saviordd1 said:
As the only one who liked TOR I'd suggest that for you honestly, its not terrible.

That said it depends on what Disney wants to do more than anything.
I liked (and still play) TOR.I think most of the reason it garners so much hate from KOTOR fans is that they feel it killed their chance at a KOTOR 3.

Which is silly, really. KOTOR 3 never would have been made in the first place. The series wasn't popular enough.
The series was so unpopular that the third game was one of the most ambitious, high-budget games ever.
I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here. SWTOR isn't a sequel to KOTOR. The only real connection between the two games is the setting. Different genre, different plot, different characters (it's set ~300 years after KOTOR 1&2) different demographic and different business goals.

When I and presumably everyone else in this thread say "KOTOR 3," we're talking about a single-player CRPG in the same setting and style as the first two KOTOR games. We're not talking about TOR, which isn't and was never intended to be a sequel to KOTOR. It was intended to be a Star Wars MMO. Bioware wanted to try their hand at an MMO, EA wanted something that could stand up to Activision/Blizzard, they had the license and the setting on hand, and that's how it went. They didn't go "These KOTOR games were so popular, let's make a $100,000,000 sequel."

I'm not knocking it - SWTOR is a really good MMORPG. I'd say it's better than WoW in a lot of respects, but much of WoW's appeal is its vast player base and long update history, which are things TOR lacks. But it's not a sequel to KOTOR and you shouldn't approach it as such.
 

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Seeing as KOTOR 2 is still my favorite all-time game, let me try and come up with a plot for a possible sequel whilst accommodating TOR. I haven't actually played TOR but I have seen what happens with Revan and the Exile and thought it was terribly done but I still intend to theorize around it.

So as all KOTOR games begin, your created character wakes up not knowing what exactly is going on. The player's homeworld is under attack and after picking up your standard gear joins the fight against the mystery invaders. During this, a mysterious voice aids the player and you eventually escape on a Republic escape vessel which takes you to Coruscant. Once you arrive on Coruscant, you enter into a massive 'pen' of sorts, like the Refugee Sector in KOTOR 2 but much bigger and you are a refugee. The overseeing Republic forces explain that a devastating bio-weapon has been used in the attack on your homeworld and on many other planets and that all survivors are in quarantine.

However, you eventually catch word of a group of refugees who plan to slip past the quarantine and escape. You meet with them and do some quests to earn their trust, like drugging some sentries and you have the option of using lethal or non-lethal drugs depending on your light/dark allegiance. However the night before the escape, the voice makes a return and you find out it belongs to the Exile who as we know from TOR can Force Ghost. She explains that the plotters of the escape are in fact Sith spies looking for a way into the heavily guarded Republic capital, except for one member of the group who is in fact an undercover Jedi, seeking to uncover Sith intelligence networks.

Here, the paths deviate slightly.

For a light-sided player, you reveal to the Jedi that you know their secret but agree to help him/her. The escape goes off without a hitch until they make it out of the quarantine area, where thanks to the Jedi, their are soldiers waiting for them. The spies are arrested and the Jedi (who vouches for you) are free to go. He/she explains that they agreed to your help as you are force-sensitive (surprise, surprise) and that whilst you would normally be too old for training, an exception must be made when every soldier is needed.

For a dark sider, you reveal to the spies that their is a Jedi amongst them and after a fight the jedi is killed. You all escape but when you go to leave them, they knock you out and take you prisoner. You then wake up in a safehouse and are introduced to the force-sensitive head of Sith intelligence on Coruscant who reveals you can feel the force. He/she offers you training and a place with the Sith, both the Jedi and the head of SIth intelligence serve as the player's mentor and party member.

The general plot here, is that both sides are in a race to find a series of keys, to a vault hidden under the Jedi Temple. In this vault, is a powerful force nexus (or something like that) which can be used to draw on the power of dead force users. It being so powerful, the Jedi built their temple on top of it to keep it from falling into the wrong hands and the keys given to each member of the Jedi Council, but now they are long lost and the Jedi Council itself has begun the search for them The Council, will consist of the former party members from games 1 and 2 such as Atton and Juhani and light sided players will locate them and help them acquire the keys and dark siders will hunt down and kill them before they can claim the keys.

At some point though, similar to the revelation in KOTOR and the Enclave scene in KOTOR 2, you find out that Revan was not killed in TOR but fled, using an experimental/risky force teleport power which kept him alive but as a consciousness, scattered across the galaxy. Both sides intend to use the force nexus to bring him back together, but whereas the Jedi seek light-sided Revan, the Sith seek his dark persona of Darth Revan- both sides want to use him as the ultimate weapon, hence the Exile's involvement.

Once the keys are gathered, the player goes to the Jedi Temple to unleash Revan. A dark sider will have to assault the Temple to gain access and a light sider will have to defend it from a desperate attack by the Sith. As the battle rages, you are sent to unleash Revan and once killing the mentor character you didn't go with, bring back Revan. However things don't go to plan as Revan is back but with both minds trapped in his body. A Jedi then fights Revan who is being controlled by his dark persona and vice-versa for a Sith who fights good Revan and he is the final boss. The good ending shows your character and Revan leading the Republic to victory over the Sith and heading a new Jedi Order with the council now fully assembled, along with the ghost of the Exile. The dark ending sees Darth Revan and the player leading the Sith victory over the Republic and disspelling the ghost of the Exile.

I know its a very rough outline which I literally just plucked from my head whilst writing, but for those who read it, what do you think? I would have to include a main villan obviously and re-arrange canon.
 
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bastardofmelbourne said:
The Crotch said:
bastardofmelbourne said:
Saviordd1 said:
As the only one who liked TOR I'd suggest that for you honestly, its not terrible.

That said it depends on what Disney wants to do more than anything.
I liked (and still play) TOR.I think most of the reason it garners so much hate from KOTOR fans is that they feel it killed their chance at a KOTOR 3.

Which is silly, really. KOTOR 3 never would have been made in the first place. The series wasn't popular enough.
The series was so unpopular that the third game was one of the most ambitious, high-budget games ever.
I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here. SWTOR isn't a sequel to KOTOR. The only real connection between the two games is the setting. Different genre, different plot, different characters (it's set ~300 years after KOTOR 1&2) different demographic and different business goals.

When I and presumably everyone else in this thread say "KOTOR 3," we're talking about a single-player CRPG in the same setting and style as the first two KOTOR games. We're not talking about TOR, which isn't and was never intended to be a sequel to KOTOR. It was intended to be a Star Wars MMO. Bioware wanted to try their hand at an MMO, EA wanted something that could stand up to Activision/Blizzard, they had the license and the setting on hand, and that's how it went. They didn't go "These KOTOR games were so popular, let's make a $100,000,000 sequel."

I'm not knocking it - SWTOR is a really good MMORPG. I'd say it's better than WoW in a lot of respects, but much of WoW's appeal is its vast player base and long update history, which are things TOR lacks. But it's not a sequel to KOTOR and you shouldn't approach it as such.
Which is silly, really. KOTOR 3 never would have been made in the first place. The series wasn't popular enough.

*ahem*

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/4677/Star-Wars-KotOR-Breaks-Record-Sales

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic#Reception

i can't find concrete sales data for pc or up to date stats for it, but based on steam sales and how many times i've seen it in the top sellers (same with the second one once it reached steam) i can only imagine how many total sales it has gotten.

also there is this:

"We're making KOTOR 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and beyond"

http://www.shacknews.com/article/55470/biowares-star-wars-the-old

they also said it was a direct part of the "knights of the old republic" series, therefore using the same lore as canon from the first two.

OT: EA won't make it because it's a single player game. the only way they would do it is attach on horde mode multiplayer that requires you to play 10 hours and buy 4 expansion packs to unlock the full single player story!