So... why is it okay to pirate porn?

[daniel the immortal]

the woman with thelarge lips is "lisa ann".

 

[Spandexpanda]

It's an evil and dirty industry therefore I can pirate it without a bad conscience, although it is just the same as pirating a movie or game and it's just my own hypocrisy which lets me do this.

Evil and dirty, not at all like all those beautiful, soulful, friendly corporations making big-budget films and games! You think EA and WB work in a nice industry? Nope. What other industry goes through so much trouble to screw their consumers over (with DRM, etc), charges £45 for a product that cost the same amount to make as a film (which costs £10 to buy), splits their product into pieces and sells them to you as 'DLC' at £15 a pop, and goes crying to mommy when people buy their product second hand? The games industry is as dirty and soulless as the porn industry, and it makes less money too. The games industry wishes it was as profitable as the porn industry. If anything, far more people steal porn than games, and you never hear about people getting sued for stealing that. The hypocrisy of human beings is unbelievable.

 

[Spandexpanda]

Sorry, double post

 

[Exius Xavarus]

Why pirate it when you can just view it on a free porn site? Fewer viruses and no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

 

[ph0b0s123]

Why pirate it when you can just view it on a free porn site? Fewer viruses and no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

"no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

Erm, the interaction still gets logged as it would for a download. It is not anonymous just becuase you streamed it. If you stream a movie involving a kid being abused you are going to get a visit, just as much as if you downloaded it to save it.

Also cops never show up to individuals who have pirated becuase it is normally a civil case rather than a criminal one. They turn up to close down sites hosting pirated material on an industrial scale as they class that as criminal. The only time an individual would get a visit from the cop for downloading porn is if that porn was illegal in itself rather than for it being pirated.

Taking your example, if the free porn site you visit gets raided, guess who's IP address is in the sites logs with all the stuff you streamed. Your comment is naive.

 

[Exius Xavarus]

Why pirate it when you can just view it on a free porn site? Fewer viruses and no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

"no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

Erm, the interaction still gets logged as it would for a download. It is not anonymous just becuase you streamed it. If you stream a movie involving a kid being abused you are going to get a visit, just as much as if you downloaded it to save it.

Also cops never show up to individuals who have pirated becuase it is normally a civil case rather than a criminal one. They turn up to close down sites hosting pirated material on an industrial scale as they class that as criminal. The only time an individual would get a visit from the cop for downloading porn is if that porn was illegal in itself rather than for it being pirated.

Taking your example, if the free porn site you visit gets raided, guess who's IP address is in the sites logs with all the stuff you streamed. Your comment is naive.

Annnnnd your comment on watching a video of a child being abused has nothing to do with watching a video of people having sex, now does it? It's a movie stream. I don't think it's quite the same as downloading and saving it as if you were to steal and redistribute it, or keep it for your personal use. And anyone who knows how an IP address works would know not to be streaming kiddy porn or any other illegal content. I do hope you're not seriously insinuating I'm that stupid. It's nice to know that who you're trying to bash isn't quite the idiot you think they are, before you do so. Lest you look like an ass. My comment was directed at those that have enough sense not to be viewing illegal junk such as that you're trying to come at me with.

 

[albinoterrorist]

It's okay, as with game, music or movie pirating, you're stealing away hard effort, blood, sweat and toil from those who produced it - you're robbing them of their livelihood, probably causing whole families to starve and die.

Conversely, porn stars cannot have families to starve, as they do not toil. They do not toil because they are not human.

As they are not human, do not toil and have no families, it's clearly a victimless crime, no?

...Wait.. whut? What is this?

My attempt at troll logic.
I think I did pretty swell.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Why pirate it when you can just view it on a free porn site? Fewer viruses and no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

"no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

Erm, the interaction still gets logged as it would for a download. It is not anonymous just becuase you streamed it. If you stream a movie involving a kid being abused you are going to get a visit, just as much as if you downloaded it to save it.

Also cops never show up to individuals who have pirated becuase it is normally a civil case rather than a criminal one. They turn up to close down sites hosting pirated material on an industrial scale as they class that as criminal. The only time an individual would get a visit from the cop for downloading porn is if that porn was illegal in itself rather than for it being pirated.

Taking your example, if the free porn site you visit gets raided, guess who's IP address is in the sites logs with all the stuff you streamed. Your comment is naive.

Annnnnd your comment on watching a video of a child being abused has nothing to do with watching a video of people having sex, now does it? It's a movie stream. I don't think it's quite the same as downloading and saving it as if you were to steal and redistribute it, or keep it for your personal use. And anyone who knows how an IP address works would know not to be streaming kiddy porn or any other illegal content. I do hope you're not seriously insinuating I'm that stupid. It's nice to know that who you're trying to bash isn't quite the idiot you think they are, before you do so. Lest you look like an ass. My comment was directed at those that have enough sense not to be viewing illegal junk such as that you're trying to come at me with.

No, my point still stands that you have as much "risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading."" for streaming as you do for downloading. The example I gave of illegal material was the only time cops would show up at your door. And it that case it does not matter whether the illegal material was steamed or downloaded as far as the police visit is concerned.

Piracy does not get a police visit, but a legal letter through the door demanding money.

 

[Exius Xavarus]

Why pirate it when you can just view it on a free porn site? Fewer viruses and no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

"no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

Erm, the interaction still gets logged as it would for a download. It is not anonymous just becuase you streamed it. If you stream a movie involving a kid being abused you are going to get a visit, just as much as if you downloaded it to save it.

Also cops never show up to individuals who have pirated becuase it is normally a civil case rather than a criminal one. They turn up to close down sites hosting pirated material on an industrial scale as they class that as criminal. The only time an individual would get a visit from the cop for downloading porn is if that porn was illegal in itself rather than for it being pirated.

Taking your example, if the free porn site you visit gets raided, guess who's IP address is in the sites logs with all the stuff you streamed. Your comment is naive.

Annnnnd your comment on watching a video of a child being abused has nothing to do with watching a video of people having sex, now does it? It's a movie stream. I don't think it's quite the same as downloading and saving it as if you were to steal and redistribute it, or keep it for your personal use. And anyone who knows how an IP address works would know not to be streaming kiddy porn or any other illegal content. I do hope you're not seriously insinuating I'm that stupid. It's nice to know that who you're trying to bash isn't quite the idiot you think they are, before you do so. Lest you look like an ass. My comment was directed at those that have enough sense not to be viewing illegal junk such as that you're trying to come at me with.

No, my point still stands that you have as much "risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading."" for streaming as you do for downloading. The example I gave of illegal material was the only time cops would show up at your door. And it that case it does not matter whether the illegal material was steamed or downloaded as far as the police visit is concerned.

Piracy does not get a police visit, but a legal letter through the door demanding money.

Funny thing is, my main point was the fewer viruses thing, and here you choose to attack a side point. Something I threw on the side. Good on ya, pal. See, if I'm wrong about something, you could simply say that, rather than being an ass about it. It's no wonder people look down on the Escapist community.

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

Porn: Stuff for the guys who can't use there imaginations?

Anyway, Piracy is bad, no matter the form...
But something did piss me off about this video.

Those women acted like they are hard workers.
Can I get a facepa- oh forget it.
They bend over and let some random dude have sex with them on camera. How is that justifiable as respectable work?

It's borderline prostitution!

Another thing, you don't pour 2 years of your heart and soul into making a pr0n, unlike a game or a movie.


While a disagree with the concept, I guess it's like any other piracy.

 

[Conza]

No, seriously.

Simple enough question.

Torrent a movie, music or video game? "Scum of the earth!"
Watch non-amateur porn on a tube site? "Yeah... so?"

But surely it's exactly the same crime, right? It has exactly the same effect.

Anyone remember this?
*SNIPPED*
However, this isn't about moralizing, it's about hypocrisy. Because it would seem to me that anyone who has downloaded porn for free, and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that probably applies to at least half the people reading this, then said bad things about video game pirates is a perfect hypocrite.

So, just why is it considered okay to pirate porn?

Here's my answer, if you're stupid enough to have to pirate it, you deserve to be punished for it.

Who is seriously that stupid, that they need to pirate it? Its everywhere for free!

So, if someone were to build a private OnLive where all I am essentially doing is seeing something on a screen and sending commands while the actual program is being run somewhere else, and the Devs and Publishers are getting no Money for this,
that suddenly makes it ok?

Good to know.

Look, I don't mean to disparage you, but how the f*ck did you come to that conclusion, are you quoting someone else?

There's properly free porn everywhere on the internet, thats a fact, there are samples, pictures, short clips, and lets face it, anything between 5-20 minutes in length is about enough for most of us, so I think we're covered.

Seriously, did you mean to quote someone else? Where's this stuff about screenshot videoing someone else's work to skip paying for it? I said nothing of the sort, I was on his* side in fact, I said people shouldn't steal non-free porn - they should just get FREE PORN. Crickey.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Why pirate it when you can just view it on a free porn site? Fewer viruses and no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

"no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

Erm, the interaction still gets logged as it would for a download. It is not anonymous just becuase you streamed it. If you stream a movie involving a kid being abused you are going to get a visit, just as much as if you downloaded it to save it.

Also cops never show up to individuals who have pirated becuase it is normally a civil case rather than a criminal one. They turn up to close down sites hosting pirated material on an industrial scale as they class that as criminal. The only time an individual would get a visit from the cop for downloading porn is if that porn was illegal in itself rather than for it being pirated.

Taking your example, if the free porn site you visit gets raided, guess who's IP address is in the sites logs with all the stuff you streamed. Your comment is naive.

Annnnnd your comment on watching a video of a child being abused has nothing to do with watching a video of people having sex, now does it? It's a movie stream. I don't think it's quite the same as downloading and saving it as if you were to steal and redistribute it, or keep it for your personal use. And anyone who knows how an IP address works would know not to be streaming kiddy porn or any other illegal content. I do hope you're not seriously insinuating I'm that stupid. It's nice to know that who you're trying to bash isn't quite the idiot you think they are, before you do so. Lest you look like an ass. My comment was directed at those that have enough sense not to be viewing illegal junk such as that you're trying to come at me with.

No, my point still stands that you have as much "risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading."" for streaming as you do for downloading. The example I gave of illegal material was the only time cops would show up at your door. And it that case it does not matter whether the illegal material was steamed or downloaded as far as the police visit is concerned.

Piracy does not get a police visit, but a legal letter through the door demanding money.

Funny thing is, my main point was the fewer viruses thing, and here you choose to attack a side point. Something I threw on the side. Good on ya, pal. See, if I'm wrong about something, you could simply say that, rather than being an ass about it. It's no wonder people look down on the Escapist community.

"See, if I'm wrong about something, you could simply say that, rather than being an ass about it."

Thought that was what I did, disagreed (not attacked your point) and explained why. The only attacking thing I think I said was 'your comment was naive' and if that is enough to make you blow, you won't survive around here long, without a coronary.

Also you virus point if thew main point, I disagree with (see that, disagree, not attack), as no-one has managed to get viruses in jpg's or mpegs / avi's etc yet (the main things porn comes in), to the best of my knowledge. The closest thing was an exploit in Windows that was patched in 2004.

 

[Exius Xavarus]

Why pirate it when you can just view it on a free porn site? Fewer viruses and no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

"no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

Erm, the interaction still gets logged as it would for a download. It is not anonymous just becuase you streamed it. If you stream a movie involving a kid being abused you are going to get a visit, just as much as if you downloaded it to save it.

Also cops never show up to individuals who have pirated becuase it is normally a civil case rather than a criminal one. They turn up to close down sites hosting pirated material on an industrial scale as they class that as criminal. The only time an individual would get a visit from the cop for downloading porn is if that porn was illegal in itself rather than for it being pirated.

Taking your example, if the free porn site you visit gets raided, guess who's IP address is in the sites logs with all the stuff you streamed. Your comment is naive.

Annnnnd your comment on watching a video of a child being abused has nothing to do with watching a video of people having sex, now does it? It's a movie stream. I don't think it's quite the same as downloading and saving it as if you were to steal and redistribute it, or keep it for your personal use. And anyone who knows how an IP address works would know not to be streaming kiddy porn or any other illegal content. I do hope you're not seriously insinuating I'm that stupid. It's nice to know that who you're trying to bash isn't quite the idiot you think they are, before you do so. Lest you look like an ass. My comment was directed at those that have enough sense not to be viewing illegal junk such as that you're trying to come at me with.

No, my point still stands that you have as much "risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading."" for streaming as you do for downloading. The example I gave of illegal material was the only time cops would show up at your door. And it that case it does not matter whether the illegal material was steamed or downloaded as far as the police visit is concerned.

Piracy does not get a police visit, but a legal letter through the door demanding money.

Funny thing is, my main point was the fewer viruses thing, and here you choose to attack a side point. Something I threw on the side. Good on ya, pal. See, if I'm wrong about something, you could simply say that, rather than being an ass about it. It's no wonder people look down on the Escapist community.

"See, if I'm wrong about something, you could simply say that, rather than being an ass about it."

Thought that was what I did, disagreed (not attacked your point) and explained why. The only attacking thing I think I said was 'your comment was naive' and if that is enough to make you blow, you won't survive around here long, without a coronary.

Also you virus point if thew main point, I disagree with (see that, disagree, not attack), as no-one has managed to get viruses in jpg's or mpegs / avi's etc yet (the main things porn comes in), to the best of my knowledge. The closest thing was an exploit in Windows that was patched in 2004.

I wasn't blowing up, actually. I'm still rather calm, as you can see. And if you'll look at our join dates, I've been here longer than you have. Maybe not have posted quite as much, buuut you really shouldn't make comments like that, if you please. My virus point was that downloading videos of porn is more likely to land you a virus than simply streaming the video. It has happened many times. I've had friends who download porn and got themselves a virus. Switched to a free porn website and streamed it afterward, haven't gotten one. My brother did the exact same thing. I don't personally look at porn at all, so I haven't gotten any viruses at all. It may just be me, but I fail to see how downloading porn DOESN'T give you viruses. I'm talking about movie porn, not pictures like a jpg or an mpeg. Especially considering I've had 3 friends and a brother who dealt with it because of their downloading.

That isn't to say that it WILL give you a virus, however, because said friends did it for some time before they got one. But I believe my point still stands, as saying "no one has managed to get a virus" is a rather broad way of putting it, and jpg or mpeg formats are pictures. Thus, kind of has nothing to do with my point as a video is of what I speak. And if I may borrow some words from you, your comment was naive as saying that no one has gotten a virus downloading porn, because many many more people than we could count, have. Disagree all you like, but I wasn't stating my opinion on the matter. Getting viruses from downloading porn is kind of a well-known fact and risk.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Why pirate it when you can just view it on a free porn site? Fewer viruses and no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

"no risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading.""

Erm, the interaction still gets logged as it would for a download. It is not anonymous just becuase you streamed it. If you stream a movie involving a kid being abused you are going to get a visit, just as much as if you downloaded it to save it.

Also cops never show up to individuals who have pirated becuase it is normally a civil case rather than a criminal one. They turn up to close down sites hosting pirated material on an industrial scale as they class that as criminal. The only time an individual would get a visit from the cop for downloading porn is if that porn was illegal in itself rather than for it being pirated.

Taking your example, if the free porn site you visit gets raided, guess who's IP address is in the sites logs with all the stuff you streamed. Your comment is naive.

Annnnnd your comment on watching a video of a child being abused has nothing to do with watching a video of people having sex, now does it? It's a movie stream. I don't think it's quite the same as downloading and saving it as if you were to steal and redistribute it, or keep it for your personal use. And anyone who knows how an IP address works would know not to be streaming kiddy porn or any other illegal content. I do hope you're not seriously insinuating I'm that stupid. It's nice to know that who you're trying to bash isn't quite the idiot you think they are, before you do so. Lest you look like an ass. My comment was directed at those that have enough sense not to be viewing illegal junk such as that you're trying to come at me with.

No, my point still stands that you have as much "risk of cops showing up for "illegal downloading."" for streaming as you do for downloading. The example I gave of illegal material was the only time cops would show up at your door. And it that case it does not matter whether the illegal material was steamed or downloaded as far as the police visit is concerned.

Piracy does not get a police visit, but a legal letter through the door demanding money.

Funny thing is, my main point was the fewer viruses thing, and here you choose to attack a side point. Something I threw on the side. Good on ya, pal. See, if I'm wrong about something, you could simply say that, rather than being an ass about it. It's no wonder people look down on the Escapist community.

"See, if I'm wrong about something, you could simply say that, rather than being an ass about it."

Thought that was what I did, disagreed (not attacked your point) and explained why. The only attacking thing I think I said was 'your comment was naive' and if that is enough to make you blow, you won't survive around here long, without a coronary.

Also you virus point if thew main point, I disagree with (see that, disagree, not attack), as no-one has managed to get viruses in jpg's or mpegs / avi's etc yet (the main things porn comes in), to the best of my knowledge. The closest thing was an exploit in Windows that was patched in 2004.

I wasn't blowing up, actually. I'm still rather calm, as you can see. And if you'll look at our join dates, I've been here longer than you have. Maybe not have posted quite as much, buuut you really shouldn't make comments like that, if you please. My virus point was that downloading videos of porn is more likely to land you a virus than simply streaming the video. It has happened many times. I've had friends who download porn and got themselves a virus. Switched to a free porn website and streamed it afterward, haven't gotten one. My brother did the exact same thing. I don't personally look at porn at all, so I haven't gotten any viruses at all. It may just be me, but I fail to see how downloading porn DOESN'T give you viruses. I'm talking about movie porn, not pictures like a jpg or an mpeg. Especially considering I've had 3 friends and a brother who dealt with it because of their downloading.

That isn't to say that it WILL give you a virus, however, because said friends did it for some time before they got one. But I believe my point still stands, as saying "no one has managed to get a virus" is a rather broad way of putting it, and jpg or mpeg formats are pictures. Thus, kind of has nothing to do with my point as a video is of what I speak. And if I may borrow some words from you, your comment was naive as saying that no one has gotten a virus downloading porn, because many many more people than we could count, have. Disagree all you like, but I wasn't stating my opinion on the matter. Getting viruses from downloading porn is kind of a well-known fact and risk.

OK, couple of things. First the big one Mpeg and AVI files are MOVIE format files not pictures format files. Number two I was not saying no-one ever got a virus for downloading porn. I said no-one get a virus from Jpg, Mpeg or AVI files as they are not a virus vector. The act of downloading porn / jpg, mpeg files will never give you a virus. The website you go to to find those files may well give you a virus, due to exploits in javascript that these websites can use. These vulnerabilities are just as easy for streaming sites as well to use to infect you. As in Stream is not more secure than downloading media files that contain porn. That is unless porn makers have started using a video files format I am unaware of (not exactly an expert on their output).

Also and extra thing you have with streaming sites that makes then more insecure, is Streaming sites use flash which is a well know infection vector. So I say again, the files that you download when downloading porn have zero chance of giving you a virus. Only the website you go to to start the download has a chance, as much of a chance as the website you go to to start a stream.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Bit late in the thread, but for all those saying it is better to go to free sites and look at free amateur stuff. There is one benefit you get from looking only at industry created porn. That is that they certify that all the people shown are over 18. The same is not true with the amateur stuff, where you are not 100% sure of the age of the person depicted and I remind you that media with anyone who 'give the impression of being under 18' where that actual age is not know, is classed as child porn.

Now you may think you are good at estimating ages, but if bouncers and bar staff don't get it 100% right all the time, are you really willing to bet you will do better? When if you get it wrong you will get a sex offenses conviction and addition to a register, that will make your life very difficult in the future.

This is something to consider for just plain movie piracy as well. Take the case of the Human Centipede 2 or this movie [http://www.movieline.com/2011/01/31/police-raid-uk-blockbuster-because-of-a-horror-film/], the legal cuts of these movies are what you get if you rent or buy them. If you pirate them you are likely to get a cut deemed illegal at least in the UK. The possession of such a cut would not get you in trouble for piracy, but a sex offense conviction and admittance to a register as well, at least in the UK. This is the other side of piracy that people are not aware of yet.

 

[Something Amyss]

Bit late in the thread, but for all those saying it is better to go to free sites and look at free amateur stuff. There is one benefit you get from looking only at industry created porn. That is that they certify that all the people shown are over 18. The same is not true with the amateur stuff, where you are not 100% sure of the age of the person depicted and I remind you that media with anyone who 'give the impression of being under 18' where that actual age is not know, is classed as child porn.

Now you may think you are good at estimating ages, but if bouncers and bar staff don't get it 100% right all the time, are you really willing to bet you will do better? When if you get it wrong you will get a sex offenses conviction and addition to a register, that will make your life very difficult in the future.

This is something to consider for just plain movie piracy as well. Take the case of the Human Centipede 2 or this movie [http://www.movieline.com/2011/01/31/police-raid-uk-blockbuster-because-of-a-horror-film/], the legal cuts of these movies are what you get if you rent or buy them. If you pirate them you are likely to get a cut deemed illegal at least in the UK. The possession of such a cut would not get you in trouble for piracy, but a sex offense conviction and admittance to a register as well, at least in the UK. This is the other side of piracy that people are not aware of yet.

Even most amateur sites have compliance statements and agreements. Therefore, you are operating in good faith and can, under the law (US at least) practically defend yourself.