So yeah, another controller/M+KB topic

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AnthrSolidSnake

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However I'm not asking which is better. I'm asking, because it's been brought up recently, if I'm "less skilled" because I sometimes use a controller while playing Titanfall.

Normally I don't use a controller at all anymore. I doubt anyone remembers, but I made a topic a while back stating that I couldn't grasp the skill necessary to use a mouse in games like Counter Strike:GO. However, since then, I adapted a little, playing games like Battlefield 4 and finishing the match in the top 3 almost every time.

The only game to end my streak of performing above most players has been Titanfall, with it's massive emphasis on twitch gameplay. My main fault is my inability to make very small, short adjustments to my aiming at a fast pace, which Titanfall pretty much requires with all the jumping around people do.

Because of this, I often miss unless I get the drop on the other player. Mostly I don't mind all this, however it does frustrate me at times. But I decided to use a controller for once, and I found that 9 times out of 10, I completely dominated the other team, and staying well ahead of my own team. It's been that way every match since I started using my gamepad, and it actually confused me. Most games I use a controller on PC for, I do...average with a controller. I grew up with controllers for games, so yes, even on PC, I perform well enough for my team. Barely below my skill when using a mouse.

However in Titanfall, I perform very well, but once someone asked what I was using, I was mocked for it, incessantly. They said the game allows aim assist, and because of that, my using a controller meant I was essentially cheating. I'll admit, from that point on, I felt almost like I was cheating. Is this really how other players feel?

I decided to really pay attention to the gameplay, aiming specifically, and there was indeed a very slight aim assist, however mostly on grunts more than pilots. The only thing it does is slow down the cursor when near the target, rather than snapping to the enemy like it does in something like Call of Duty. However, it was there, and a simple google search shows that the developers intended it to be there.

So I ask, if you met me in an online match, saw that I beat your team and scored the highest, would you consider me "cheating" or "less skilled" for using a gamepad?

Really this shouldn't be bothering me as much as it does, but I do have issues with people and being social, so anything that causes someone to look down on me...bothers me, whether I want it to or not.
 

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I swear console gamers just can't win in these arguments.

If we're killing it in games, we're "cheating" assholes that ruin gaming for everyone. If we're getting our asses kicked, we're scrubs who are bringing the entire team down and ruin gaming for everyone.

I know it's not everyone (in fact, I'd like to think it's the minority) but I swear there are way too many gamers who subscribe to the "Play it my way or don't play it at all mentality".

Honestly, do whatever the hell you want. If the game supports it, go for it; to hell with what the "133t" players believe...
 

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Being perfectly honest if you couldn't do well without aim assists then you probably are benefiting greatly from it. However, at the end of the day a controller is a horrible way to play a shooter and when you get to a high enough level of play the advantage of the aim assists controllers give won't be enough to put you on an even level of high skill mice users. It's good for playing casually and keeping your KDR above 1.0 but the advantage will only carry you so far, controllers just can't keep up with the responsiveness of mice.

So in short no, it may help you stomp people who aren't good but it won't do a damn thing against good players.
 

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Use whatever control you want.

But, in competitive games, if that format allows you to gain an advantage via auto-aiming, then yes, that's completely unacceptable.

There should be none at all at a competitive level, regardless of how minor it is.

If you prefer it so much, you should be able to do well with it without the game aiming for you.
 

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No its not cheating and it wouldnt bothered me you used a controller aim assist is in the game for the controller it seems you have not abused or added anything unintended by the devs thereby you are not cheating.

I guess its there because mouse and keyboard are superior in speed and accuracy so they wanted to level the field if only a little seems like they may have succeeded which is good now everyone can use the control method they prefer.
 

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Cheating? Possibly... Less skilled? Most definitely, sorry. You are using aim assist as soon as you use a controller in Titanfall.

https://twitter.com/Respawn/status/426733968977715200
 

AnthrSolidSnake

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Strelok said:
Cheating? Possibly... Less skilled? Most definitely, sorry. You are using aim assist as soon as you use a controller in Titanfall.

https://twitter.com/Respawn/status/426733968977715200
Ah...I'm sorry to hear that. I know you didn't mean it offensively, I just get pretty worked up about stupid stuff. This just means I'll have to sacrifice comfort for being competitive. It's my competitive nature getting the best of me.
 

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Strelok said:
Cheating? Possibly... Less skilled? Most definitely, sorry. You are using aim assist as soon as you use a controller in Titanfall.

https://twitter.com/Respawn/status/426733968977715200
Jesus, look at those comments though.

Respawn Entertainment is now the new Hitler.
 

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No you're not cheating, aim assist is REQUIRED on gamepads for FPS games for it to be a viable control option. If it suits you better then KB/M for that particular game, then go nuts with it! The aim assist is supposed to compensate for the fact that gamepads are slower and less accurate then a keyboard and mouse, and FPS games have been using this for YEARS.

And you're not less skilled either, you're just using a control method that suits you better for that game.
 

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I don't think it's right that one group of players gets aim assist and one doesn't but it's in there to make up for the precision that mice have over a controller so I'd like more information of how gamepad players were faring against their mice brethren.
 

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tippy2k2 said:
I swear console gamers just can't win in these arguments.

If we're killing it in games, we're "cheating" assholes that ruin gaming for everyone. If we're getting our asses kicked, we're scrubs who are bringing the entire team down and ruin gaming for everyone.

I know it's not everyone (in fact, I'd like to think it's the minority) but I swear there are way too many gamers who subscribe to the "Play it my way or don't play it at all mentality".

Honestly, do whatever the hell you want. If the game supports it, go for it; to hell with what the "133t" players believe...
Uhhhh, thats all of "competitive" gaming now. MOBA players, the FGC, RTS and even MMO's. Even TCG players act like this. This attitude is as predictable as trees in a forest with those neckbeards.
 

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Well it's not the gamepad that is the problem, it's the game aiming for you... really can't call you good at a subject when your teacher is solving the tests hard parts in your stead.

Yes non assisted aiming skill is really tough which is why FPS took off in the biggest way only once aim assists were perfected (Halo being the star player in that), especially tough on those who switch control methods, relative thumb movement is the farthest thing from absolute wrist movement.
And that is why people will get real upset when they have to put in the effort only to be beaten by someone who didn't, if that upsets you then I can only suggest going back to mouse, mastery comes from repetition after all.
 

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K&M MP gamers calling average skilled pad users cheaters is like a fully abled bodied parlympian track runner calling other runners cheaters for using prosthetic limbs or using a standing start rather than the running blocks.
 

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TrevHead said:
K&M MP gamers calling average skilled pad users cheaters is like a fully abled bodied parlympian track runner calling other runners cheaters for using prosthetic limbs or using a standing start rather than the running blocks.
Yes, if they were competing in the same race? Absolutely.
 

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wait....so the PC titanfall allows gamepads and those gamepads have aim assist? and that may or may not be the reason youre doing better? because without aim assist conventional wisdom would suggest you would get you ass kicked...unless Titanfall is a freak of naure game that somehow allows controller users to do just fine
 

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I can't seem to make myself care about this.

If you want to play a PC FPS with a controller you NEED that boost from aim assist to be competitive, but the skill cap with the controller is so low compared to mouse being competitive against KB/M players is best you can hope for.

You can learn to play with the mouse and eventually become really good and destroy people with ridiculously good scores which completely change game dynamics, but no matter how good you are with a controller you're still reliant on aim assist and best it's gonna get is podium finishes in games with matchmaking.

In summary my opinion, stop giving a fuck what other people say. But I advise you to stick to the mouse even though you get beaten. It's the only way to get better and in the long run it will be infinitely more fun.
 

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People who call the slight aim assist for controllers in Titanfall cheating seem like a bunch of whiny snot-nosed kids to me. Just looking for anything to blame whenever they perform poorly.

First of all, using a controller is already limiting in so many ways that the added aim assist shouldn't even be relevant to highly skilled M/KB players.

Secondly, they are making a wrongful assumption regarding the purpose of the game. If Titanfall was truly about being the best and fastest pointer and clicker, it would probably be Quake 3 or Counter strike. However, it's not. Being the best shot is only a small part of it. Titanfall is also about speed, mobility, navigation, positioning and resource management. There's really only one game mode where you need to be consistently good at aiming to be successful, and that's Pilot Hunter (which, IMO, is the worst game mode). And that's only until you get a titan, where aiming instantly becomes less important.

If you prefer playing with a gamepad - have at it.
 

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AnthrSolidSnake said:
So I ask, if you met me in an online match, saw that I beat your team and scored the highest, would you consider me "cheating" or "less skilled" for using a gamepad?
For using a gamepad?

No.

For using aim assist?

Yes.

Aiming is a part of the game, yes? You are using a function that, well... assists your aim, however slightly. It is allowing you to do things that you could not otherwise do.

I wouldn't get angry or outraged by it, but I would certainly be unimpressed by your aim assisted score and consider it not your score but rather the score of you and your aim assist function.

I suppose the question then becomes whether or not the aim assist is a necessary and fair compensation for any shortcomings of a controller. But I don't see how that can be readily quantified and since I haven't personally played Titanfall with a controller I can't really offer an opinion.
 

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TrevHead said:
K&M MP gamers calling average skilled pad users cheaters is like a fully abled bodied parlympian track runner calling other runners cheaters for using prosthetic limbs or using a standing start rather than the running blocks.
I think your comparison is dodgy.

a) What if they could make a prosthetic limb that performs better than a real one? (I'm guessing that the paralympics have some pretty damn specifc rules regarding what kinds of prosthetics are allowed to be used.)

b) Why would able bodied and disabled athletes be competing in the same event to begin with?