Sobriety sucks
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There's nothing wrong with having a few beers with friends every now and again (hey, it's the weekend ain't it?), but that's all in moderation. Hell, having a glass or two with dinner is a great way to relax after a long day of work. Again, all in moderation.
Well, the simpler response is this: There's a big difference between wanting alcohol to have fun, and needing alcohol to have fun. With the way the OP is worded, it sounds like the latter, in which case there's a very serious problem.
Well, the simpler response is this: There's a big difference between wanting alcohol to have fun, and needing alcohol to have fun. With the way the OP is worded, it sounds like the latter, in which case there's a very serious problem.
If you don't like being alive without drugs or alcohol limiting your brain activity, you need to check yourself into rehab; or at the very least, get psychiatric help.
I like to aim for the point between being boring and being unstable, throwing up and forgetting things. That's where the best things happen, and I rarely regret them.
The problem is that I have incredibly low self-esteem (oh god the clichés!) and alcohol just raises it a bit.
I'm worried that I'll become an alcoholic if I use that as justification, but it's shit not being able to form a sentence because you're terrified that the person in front of you just wants you to go away so that they can get on with being interesting and attractive and better than you.
The problem is that I have incredibly low self-esteem (oh god the clichés!) and alcohol just raises it a bit.
I'm worried that I'll become an alcoholic if I use that as justification, but it's shit not being able to form a sentence because you're terrified that the person in front of you just wants you to go away so that they can get on with being interesting and attractive and better than you.
Can't help but think that a lot of the people posting with "I'm ashamed there are people who need alcohol to have fun" are either young or just generally inexperienced.
As you get older you usually end up collecting an entire array of painful experiences, thoughts and memories. They all suck. The people who gave you those memories suck. In fact, you, the one with those painful memories, suck just as much for being in that situation. There comes a time when simply "thinking optimistically" doesn't cut it anymore.
Hell, I used to think like some of the more Paragon personalities here. I thought that smoking and drinking were terrible and there would never be a time when I would be happy to indulge in either. You know what happened to me that changed my mind? Life happened. Just pray you have a happy and painless existence or you'll be sitting in a bar with me one day, drunkenly spilling your life story while I patiently nod and comment appropriately.
As for the people who get piss drunk and end up vomiting everywhere or just making a complete ass of themselves, those people are weak and immature. They know their tolerances and choose to ignore them, which only causes more pain later. Still, they chose to drink so they deserve whatever ill fortunes come their way as a result.
Final thoughts: Life sucks. It's not completely without purpose but it hurts. It hurts a lot and it hurts for as long as you can still feel pain. Alcohol helps ease the pain. You can't expect to understand this reasoning until you have some pain in your life that's worth easing.
As you get older you usually end up collecting an entire array of painful experiences, thoughts and memories. They all suck. The people who gave you those memories suck. In fact, you, the one with those painful memories, suck just as much for being in that situation. There comes a time when simply "thinking optimistically" doesn't cut it anymore.
Hell, I used to think like some of the more Paragon personalities here. I thought that smoking and drinking were terrible and there would never be a time when I would be happy to indulge in either. You know what happened to me that changed my mind? Life happened. Just pray you have a happy and painless existence or you'll be sitting in a bar with me one day, drunkenly spilling your life story while I patiently nod and comment appropriately.
As for the people who get piss drunk and end up vomiting everywhere or just making a complete ass of themselves, those people are weak and immature. They know their tolerances and choose to ignore them, which only causes more pain later. Still, they chose to drink so they deserve whatever ill fortunes come their way as a result.
Final thoughts: Life sucks. It's not completely without purpose but it hurts. It hurts a lot and it hurts for as long as you can still feel pain. Alcohol helps ease the pain. You can't expect to understand this reasoning until you have some pain in your life that's worth easing.
I'm sorry, but moderation. I've never gotten so wasted I couldn't remember what happened, nor have a done something that completely embarrassed my while under the influence. You don't have to get trashed to drink.Fawful said:
self control is a virtue, those people that get waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy too drunk, don't have any.
EDIT: It seems a lot of the anti-drinking people simply have had or seen bad experiences with alcohol, but I'd like to stress something for everyone here, the people you see puking at parties or getting so smashed they make an ass of themselves and forget, hangover style, are not drinking to have fun 9/10ths of the time. they are drinking to be cool.
When I was in high school a large majority of people who drank under age were in this category. They would brag about how much they drank and how often, like it made them cool. Don't be that person, and you will be fine. If you do decide to drink, start slow. No need to rush it or binge.
And mind your limits. I know when I've had enough, I feel it in the back of my throat. And as soon as I reach that point, I stop. No amount of daring or anything else will make me drink more once that point is reached.
if you want to try drinking, try it this way, it's safer and more fun.
No problem, sorry for getting so uptight about it.Elcarsh said:
It's just that these threads tend to get very two sided and aggressive, and people tend to start getting offended everywhere if you disagree with them, didn't want to start having the drinking vs not drinking argument all over again.
Don't bother dude. Around here, if you drink or smoke or anything like that then you're a lesser person who can't enjoy life without mind altering substances who is all the poorer for it.Elcarsh said:
*sigh*
If only we all had that "holier than thou" attitude and none of us drank or smoked. Truly the would would be a better place eh?
Everything comes with a price. That sense sense of elation when you have alcohol in your system also hinders inhibitions. You can say and do things you normally wouldn't. Good, bad, and terrible things. I'm not saying stop drinking, just drink responsibly.
Seeing as I'm only ever happy when I'm drunk, I can vouch for this.
The last time I was truly happy, I was probably about 5.
The last time I was truly happy, I was probably about 5.
It would be wrong of me to disagree about the sobriety thing, seeing as most of my time outside the 9-5 is spent in a rather fragrant haze. Most of the time. I just like it. Feels good, man. If I have accomplished my daily goals, and I normally have, then finishing the day with a little couch vacation, pipe in hand, cold drink at my side, is a perfectly reasonable way to end a long, hard day.
It's not mandatory, but I certainly enjoy having the capability to do it. It should be my prerogative as a responsible adult to do what I want, as long as I'm not hurting others in the process of doing it. If I want to spend a Friday night swilling a 12-pack and enveloping myself in a heavy, sweet-smelling haze, by golly, I will do exactly that.
I don't do it to pursue happiness, or escape my life, or feel better about myself, I do it because I just...like doing it. That's all. Getting a little pleasantly fucked up and a good nice heady high...it's just nice.
That's all.
I do worry for people who spend their entire lives living such a way, and worry for those who think they NEED to distance themselves from a sober reality, or justify such a lifestyle as a need for their happiness. It usually points to deeper problems than just boredom or a general dis-ease with being on the square.
It's not mandatory, but I certainly enjoy having the capability to do it. It should be my prerogative as a responsible adult to do what I want, as long as I'm not hurting others in the process of doing it. If I want to spend a Friday night swilling a 12-pack and enveloping myself in a heavy, sweet-smelling haze, by golly, I will do exactly that.
I don't do it to pursue happiness, or escape my life, or feel better about myself, I do it because I just...like doing it. That's all. Getting a little pleasantly fucked up and a good nice heady high...it's just nice.
That's all.
I do worry for people who spend their entire lives living such a way, and worry for those who think they NEED to distance themselves from a sober reality, or justify such a lifestyle as a need for their happiness. It usually points to deeper problems than just boredom or a general dis-ease with being on the square.
Person A antagonizes a certain group of people (Group B).
Members of Group B come to defend themselves.
Some members of Group B end up antagonizing a different group of people (Group C).
Members of both Group B and Group C join together in a mutual looking down on each other.
Some asshole (me) comes in and makes fun of everyone in a convoluted way that only he will likely find amusing.
Seriously though, is it so hard to not start a thread like this?
Members of Group B come to defend themselves.
Some members of Group B end up antagonizing a different group of people (Group C).
Members of both Group B and Group C join together in a mutual looking down on each other.
Some asshole (me) comes in and makes fun of everyone in a convoluted way that only he will likely find amusing.
Seriously though, is it so hard to not start a thread like this?
I drink, but I've never been blackout drunk or not remembered what happened the night before. There has to be a level of moderation with anything you decide to indulge in. Condemning people for or not drinking based on that alone is wrong. I'm not a bad person when I drink. Drinking just helps me to forget about the things that might occupy my mind and hinder me from having a good time with my friends. It helps me not be a stick in the mud when my friends want to go out clubbing or something (not really my scene). It helps me mellow out. If Dr. Pepper helped me mellow out, then I'd drink that instead because quite frankly alcohol can get expensive after a while.
But I digress.
Drinking doesn't ALWAYS lead to acting like a douche
Drinking doesn't ALWAYS lead to forgetting things
Drinking doesn't ALWAYS lead to offending people around you
Chances are if this happens to you when you're drunk, you're already an asshole and being drunk just makes it more apparent to everyone else.
But I digress.
Drinking doesn't ALWAYS lead to acting like a douche
Drinking doesn't ALWAYS lead to forgetting things
Drinking doesn't ALWAYS lead to offending people around you
Chances are if this happens to you when you're drunk, you're already an asshole and being drunk just makes it more apparent to everyone else.
I know drinking can be great fun, and if you can hold your liquor there's nothing wrong with it. HOWEVER, it's just that when someone declares that you need to be drunk all the time to enjoy yourself, they probably have a problem.anthony87 said:
Please... PLEASE... tell me that you see the irony that you just typed. PLEASE.2012 Wont Happen said:
This...this right here...is the most reasonable, rational, and logic response within this WHOLE thread.Richard Keohane said:
Christ people, there's nothing wrong with having a few drinks sometimes. There's nothing wrong with getting a little drunk on occasion either.
However, if you NEED to get drunk or high to have fun, then you're either an exceedingly boring person with little imagination or intellect, or you seriously need to reassess your life, what you're doing with it, and who you're associating with.
4 years without alcohol and loving it. Never was a big drinker though, never been drunk for example.
Just thought about it and realized drinking is asinine and I think is only done to conform. A bottle of drink/pop/whatever you want to call that fizzy stuff is about half the price of a bottle of booze which is usually half or quarter the size.
So you end up paying about 4 times as much to enjoy a foul tasting drink that makes you feel like crap in heavy doses and quite unhealthy in moderate doses.
Don't get me wrong, one day I plan on drinking every cocktail 'cos some look and sound awesome ("alien brain hemorrhage" for example) but sitting surfing the web drinking booze just sounds daft to me.
Give me a coke any day of the week.
Just thought about it and realized drinking is asinine and I think is only done to conform. A bottle of drink/pop/whatever you want to call that fizzy stuff is about half the price of a bottle of booze which is usually half or quarter the size.
So you end up paying about 4 times as much to enjoy a foul tasting drink that makes you feel like crap in heavy doses and quite unhealthy in moderate doses.
Don't get me wrong, one day I plan on drinking every cocktail 'cos some look and sound awesome ("alien brain hemorrhage" for example) but sitting surfing the web drinking booze just sounds daft to me.
Give me a coke any day of the week.
I have never gotten drunk, and refuse to even sniff an Appletini, so I'm in the perfect position to tell you that you're a terrible monster, and that so much as sipping the head of a refreshing pint will make you shit brain cells by the bucket-load.
SEE A PSYCHIATRIST YOU ALCOHOLIC DRUG ABUSER.
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It takes me as long as a year to finish a quart of Jameson's Irish Whiskey. I don't think life sucks because I'm not under the influence of something.
To quote one of my favorite poets:
Oh, what's that?
So, now you say life sucks!
Well, ninety-nine percent of it's what you make of it...
So if your life sucks?
You suck.
To quote one of my favorite poets:
Oh, what's that?
So, now you say life sucks!
Well, ninety-nine percent of it's what you make of it...
So if your life sucks?
You suck.