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RatRace123

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Nah, I function better when I have all my faculties. Being under any sort of influence just makes me feel more sluggish. It leads to me not being able to enjoy being buzzed or high, well unless I'm trying to sleep, then it's cool.
 

black_omega2

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I'm not anti-alcohol or anything, I just personally don't care for it. The feeling of being drunk irritates me, and I generally don't like the taste (although I have on occasion found some pretty good tasting stuff; I'm not above trying new things.)
I get my kicks out of being physically active and dancing the night away.
 

weker

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I am one of the select few who can still think straight when drunk, the only things that tends to happen is a wobble to my step and having more courage.
 

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2012 Wont Happen said:
Fawful said:
No. I like being able to think, recall, talk and otherwise act like a reasonable person.
There are plenty of things that leave you capable of acting in such a way. Things are just better.

Hell. Just drink a few shots of vodka. You can still participate in society fine and you'll just feel cool.

Now, I know this isn't a good idea for work or classes. Those are the circumstances I'm talking about that absolutely makes it impossible to not be sober. And I'm fine with that. But otherwise, if you can make things a little better: why not?
you know I've never understood this mentality. All alcohol does to me is make me tired and makes me sleep(which is good when I have insomnia and take a few shots and then eventually pass out for 8-12 hours which takes a while to pass out but still). I have more fun sober than with alcohol. All it does in social situations is make me more introverted and shy than I actually am. Which is why I mostly drink at home unless its an occasion in which someone is buying me alcohol then hell I'll go out and drink. Usually I'm also designated driver so me drinking and getting drunk isn't advisable. And I second what someone else said with an addendum: Drunk people/people on drugs are not fun to talk to. Most of them are idiots and arses(at least around here). I enjoy my sobriety.

weker said:
I am one of the select few who can still think straight when drunk
I can too. so there is really no point in me getting drunk. Oh and if I'm in a bad mood alcohol is the worst thing to give me because it amplifies my anger a lot. and i have enough anger management problems as it is....

Edit: I am also one of those people that leads a more physically active lifestyle and drinking whilst doing some of the things I do is very much not a good idea. The only time I really seriously start having problems with people under the influence of drugs/alcohol is when they disrupt my sleep. Especially during the week. Throwing a party all night in the middle of the week when a lot of people have to get up early the next day for work and disrupting their sleep because you want to party will get me all bitchy and I'll start calling the police on you until either your party quiets down/disbands or you get arrested for causing a disturbance. And parties after 3 am bother me too. Then again I live in a neighbourhood where we have a lot of parties going on all the time and it is almost always the mexicans around here. I swear I get woken up by mariachi music and loud partying one more time....yes we have quite a few stereotypical mexicans around me. And I can point out exactly which houses around me do it. Because its been going on my whole life. Also, I come from a long line of alcoholics and drug abusers. Not pretty. Having an addictive personality sucks arse. Oh and people who drunk dial me at any hour day or night unless it is a "hey can you come get me" kind of call annoy the shite out of me.
 

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Soo many high horse people and their "drinking is the ultimate taboo" mind set. No one should ever feel guilty because they drink, no matter how much they drink either. Not your life, move on. Sick of seeing overzealous attacks against those that drink. Its not a sin. They are not throwing their life's away. If you want to blame crime/rape/domestic violence on alcohol you have to understand that those thoughts were in the persons head before they consumed.
 

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Never been drunk, don't feel much desire to be. Don't feel a big aversion to alcohol, it just doesn't appeal to me. I like being sharply aware of what's going, and I barely ever am, even when sober. So yeah.
 

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The problem with this whole argument is that people who don't drink always assume that people who drink always just go mental and drink so much that the problems they describe are actually real.

No, its not like that.

On the weekends I drink. I go down the pub to watch the football or watch it inside with my dad and we have a couple beers. We're not just polishing off a bottle of vodka each cos 'we need it to have fun'.
 

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2012 Wont Happen said:
Lilani said:
Get some help.
Alcohol is my help. Little else worked, but it tends to get the job done.
I'm honestly with you. Alcohol is a hell of a drug. I've found when I'm almost to the point people would consider "drunk", I feel the most natural. I have no problems with talking to people I don't know, people enjoy my presence a hell of a lot more, and I end up just enjoying the little things, no matter what they are.
Midgeamoo said:
So because we hold a different view on it, that MUST mean we haven't had the same experiences as you, otherwise we would have come to the same conclusion as you, as your opinion is that of the worlds.
See here, you say this ^.....
No, I'm gonna go with the other people on this thread who say they prefer remembering things, acting reasonable and having interesting conversations, because I've tried both, and I like the latter.
And then you say this. I've drank enough to kill an elephant, yet I've never blacked out (this one is more a quirk with me than anyone else), I act completely reasonable and loving when I'm drunk, and I've had the most intimate and fun conversations and met people I'd have never met otherwise if I wasn't drunk.
 

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JoesshittyOs said:
And then you say this. I've drank enough to kill an elephant, yet I've never blacked out (this one is more a quirk with me than anyone else), I act completely reasonable and loving when I'm drunk, and I've had the most intimate and fun conversations and met people I'd have never met otherwise if I wasn't drunk.
Read my last post on this thread, I didn't really make it clear in my first post, but I meant that boundary was there for me when drunk, I don't function to my pleasing :p
 

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I have noticed this kind of stuff it seems the less intelligent the person the more they want to be drunk/stoned, my best guess as to why is intelligent people can think about things(history science or whatever) where as the less intelligent don't have this so they must rely on the warm fuzzies of booze and such. this isn't to say booze is bad it can certainly help people unwind and increase a persons imagination but this attitude tends to appear more frequently then in less intelligent people.
 

Spectral Dragon

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I don't get drunk, really. I have my opinion - I don't like it, and there are plenty of reasons to not drink, or even ban it entirely. But I still do my best not to shove it down anyone's throat. Want to drink? Drink, and deal with the consequences, whether they are a foursome in a submarine, or you ending up swearing at your boss on youtube.

If you can't handle life without it, it's most likely a problem though.

That said, it seems alcohol is a lot of different things, apparently a placebo, and different research shows either intelligent, or less intelligent people drink more.

In short: Do what you like, man up for the consequences, and have fun your way.
 

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kokirisoldier said:
Soo many high horse people and their "drinking is the ultimate taboo" mind set. No one should ever feel guilty because they drink, no matter how much they drink either. Not your life, move on. Sick of seeing overzealous attacks against those that drink. Its not a sin. They are not throwing their life's away. If you want to blame crime/rape/domestic violence on alcohol you have to understand that those thoughts were in the persons head before they consumed.
Not entirely true.

I work as a substance abuse counselor, and a majority, if not all the guys that come into the program's issues are a direct correlation between substance abuse (note: Abuse. Not use) and their problems.

Be it that they were born into a household with a substance abuser and violence, crime, abuse etc were common place in their home (which then extrapolates into their adult life through conditioned behaviors and maladaptive through processes due to lack of proper mirroring etc) or they started drinking/using substances to relieve an inner pain that then got out of control to the point where they committed such acts.

To say that domestic violence, crime and rape are either there or not regardless of substance consumption is not correct either.

I'm sure everyone can relate to being completely wasted and then flirting with someone, and perhaps even going home and getting it on with them. In the person under the influence's mind, they were debonair, charming, and the participant was willing. This may not be the case, and the person could have in fact raped the other person due to a lack of or inability to provide consent.

As for domestic violence: As previously stated, substances remove the ability to make rational decisions and remove inhibitions. Therefore if someone's girlfriend or boyfriend, husband or wife already grated on the person's nerves (but they never in a million years would consider hurting them), by including substances into the equation then they may snap and end up abusing them. This is also because most substances (amphetamines, meth, alcohol) increase irritability. Again, something that would normally just annoy could potentially bring massive rage of someone who has been using substances.

Finally, with the crime piece, a majority of these people with whom I work tell me that most of their crimes were done simply to "acquire" more of the substance, or to survive. If someone lives on the streets due to excessive alcoholism, which resulted in the breakup of their marriage, the loss of their job and the depletion of their income, then they will do "whatever it takes" to survive. Eat out of a trash can? No problem. Rob someone for money so they can buy booze? Sure. The list goes on and on.

Basically, it's not so much a "high horse" opinion, as it's more than likely fact mixed with subjective experience. Similar to how your take on the issue is subjective, so is theirs. I'm simply providing some facts that I've come by through direct experience in the substance abuse recovery community, as well as from studies/counseling background.

(Source: Substance abuse counselor, MFCC trained, many classes/trainings/experience in working within the substance abusing population)
 

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Personally I am not a fan of drinking whatsoever, however I don't hate on people who did it's your life live it however you want.

On the other hand I am a very avid smoker of marijuana and I do enjoy doing psychedelics when the chance arrives. I'd much rather be high or tripping on something instead of being sober if I have nothing important to do. There is nothing better than getting together with a few of your close friends order some food throw on a good movie or play some video games and get high those are some of my favorite nights.
 

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Hookah said:
Eventidal said:
Hookah said:
Lotto whinin in this thread. Getting drunk is fun. Sobriety is overrated, and the most irritating thing about teetotalers is there self important 'i'm better than you because I don't drink' mentality. Stop taking life so seriously.

I have one hell of a hangover. I'm gonna watch shit tv, and smoke.
What I don't like is the people who depend on mind-altering drugs to enjoy life telling me I'm missing out on some magical train ride to Charlie's Chocolate Factory or something. I've given drinking a try. I've been drunk on multiple occasions. It's NEVER fun, and I'm not the kind of guy who enjoys that stuff. I was in a fraternity for a year and they partied all the time and it annoyed the ever-loving hell out of me. The only reason I subjected myself to that was so many people like yourself telling me what is and isn't right, that there can't possibly be a person who has a differing opinion from theirs and honestly doesn't enjoy getting drunk, rowdy and "partying," to where I thought that was just the truth and I just needed to learn to like it/live with it.

Drunkness is what is overrated. You stumble over things, vomit and make a massive fool of yourself everywhere you go. You seem to need to throw money at an overpriced, nasty beverage to enjoy yourself.

That said, I generally just let drunks be drunks and get on with life. I don't get why you do what you do, but who gives a damn what you do, as long as you don't keep me up at 3 AM blasting music at your apartment because WHO CARES LOL UR DRUNK!!! I'm otherwise a pretty tolerant guy. It's just that you need to show some tolerance of your own. People like different things. It's a fact of life.
QQ moar. I got wasted last night, I didn't fall over anything, vomit anywhere, make a massive fool of myself, or throw money at overpriced drinks (I spent £14). I pretty much just chilled and hung out with my friends.

Why do I need to tolerate other people's moronic views? At all?
You missed the part where other people can do exactly what you did but without drinking. They save themselves the 14 Euros AND they can still drive. Why the need to drink in the first place? Can't you enjoy life without temporarily altering your mental capacity?
That last bit is the reason drunks don't get any tolerance from me. Because they never fail to shrug off everything I say because they view it as moronic. Which is pretty stupid from my point of view because that's exactly how YOU're looking right now.

Sexual Harassment Panda said:
Yeh, see...this is the problem with discussing alcohol consumption on a youth orientated forum.

I'll happily have a drink with older people, I won't drink with the 18-25 crowd. You don't have a "cool and relaxed" attitude to life, no matter how much you insist that you do. "Keep up", "don't be a party pooper", "down it!", "what are you drinking red-wine for? You gay?".

What's with the rules? Fuck you! I'm trying to relax here.

As long as you have a ritualistic attitude towards drinking, you'll irritate the shit out of me. I don't want to compete to see who can get the most drunk, or do Sambuca shots, or vodka mixed with energy drink so that I can fight my natural urge to sleep.

A night out drinking is entirely predictable. It's not wild and crazy, it's organised and has obvious outcomes.

At 25, I don't drink much anymore, because I don't want to...I get tired of justifying this to the "cool and relaxed" drinkers. You know, those people who are completely about free-choice yet somehow get arsey when anyone doesn't do what they do.

... I have enough trouble self-censoring myself to the point where people find me palatable without intoxication being a factor. Since I've abstained from drinking, my relationships are less complicated and more rewarding, and my wallet is considerably fatter.

I'm just waiting for my friends to get as thoroughly bored of it as I am.
Ah, there's something I missed earlier. THOSE guys. They're the ones that bug me.

Before I even started drinking I was at your stage in the whole thing. Other people use drinks as a BASIS for social contact/parties. I love hanging out with the guys I work with. They're really fun, and crazy just like myself. They get my random internet references, they watch MLP, they play lots of games. What we talk about is nerdy awesomeness and we really have a connection in how we interact that makes it more fun. I went with them to one of their apartments to have a "party" after work one night and can you guess what it was?

Drink, drink, talk about drinking, act stupid, and after AN HOUR AND A HALF of stories and other blathering on about drinks and being drunk and how their drinks taste and how they're feeling, we finally start DOING something. Watching a movie. Well, that part is fine by me. Things got a lot more fun at that point. But the whole damn thing was pretty much just going on and on about drinking and it made me both stupidly uncomfortable and more skeptical of the whole drinking "lifestyle." This isn't the first time I've been in a situation like this. When people start drinking round me, the whole social situation changes and we stop connecting on a deeper level. Usually I get left out of most things because I'm terrible at pushing my way into circles of loud people and I generally end up standing somewhere trying to act like I'm part of things and feeling really conspicuous as the only person just standing there, alone in a crowded room.

There are "rules" to drinking. These "noobs" as I consider them, haven't drank enough to get over the whole "drinking is fun! Yay let's drinking!" thing. I was over that before I ever started. I'm still fine with sitting with some friends and having a few White Russians or other Incredibly Girly Drinks Because If They Don't Like it, Fuck Them. But I'm tired of the loudness and all the noobs. D:

Being in college still, I'll have to deal with this mentality and over-reliance on alcohol for years still. I can't wait until I get to the age where my peers are over it like I am.
 

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WeAreStevo said:
kokirisoldier said:
Soo many high horse people and their "drinking is the ultimate taboo" mind set. No one should ever feel guilty because they drink, no matter how much they drink either. Not your life, move on. Sick of seeing overzealous attacks against those that drink. Its not a sin. They are not throwing their life's away. If you want to blame crime/rape/domestic violence on alcohol you have to understand that those thoughts were in the persons head before they consumed.
Not entirely true.

I work as a substance abuse counselor, and a majority, if not all the guys that come into the program's issues are a direct correlation between substance abuse (note: Abuse. Not use) and their problems.

Be it that they were born into a household with a substance abuser and violence, crime, abuse etc were common place in their home (which then extrapolates into their adult life through conditioned behaviors and maladaptive through processes due to lack of proper mirroring etc) or they started drinking/using substances to relieve an inner pain that then got out of control to the point where they committed such acts.

To say that domestic violence, crime and rape are either there or not regardless of substance consumption is not correct either.

I'm sure everyone can relate to being completely wasted and then flirting with someone, and perhaps even going home and getting it on with them. In the person under the influence's mind, they were debonair, charming, and the participant was willing. This may not be the case, and the person could have in fact raped the other person due to a lack of or inability to provide consent.

As for domestic violence: As previously stated, substances remove the ability to make rational decisions and remove inhibitions. Therefore if someone's girlfriend or boyfriend, husband or wife already grated on the person's nerves (but they never in a million years would consider hurting them), by including substances into the equation then they may snap and end up abusing them. This is also because most substances (amphetamines, meth, alcohol) increase irritability. Again, something that would normally just annoy could potentially bring massive rage of someone who has been using substances.

Finally, with the crime piece, a majority of these people with whom I work tell me that most of their crimes were done simply to "acquire" more of the substance, or to survive. If someone lives on the streets due to excessive alcoholism, which resulted in the breakup of their marriage, the loss of their job and the depletion of their income, then they will do "whatever it takes" to survive. Eat out of a trash can? No problem. Rob someone for money so they can buy booze? Sure. The list goes on and on.

Basically, it's not so much a "high horse" opinion, as it's more than likely fact mixed with subjective experience. Similar to how your take on the issue is subjective, so is theirs. I'm simply providing some facts that I've come by through direct experience in the substance abuse recovery community, as well as from studies/counseling background.

(Source: Substance abuse counselor, MFCC trained, many classes/trainings/experience in working within the substance abusing population)
Holy shit. This site never fails to provide a so called "subject matter expert" in every field you can ever ask for.
 

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bahumat42 said:
seriously your suggesting people who slight social anxiety should seek help. Because what you just described effects many many people, because strange as it may be, socialising in large crowds doesn't come easy to some people.

In your world all phscologists would be billionaires. Get some perspective, slight social anxiety isn't life threatening nor is it an actual problem that needs treatment. Id suggest you seek help if you can't empathise with such a common state of being.
Getting drunk=/=Dealing with the problem at hand. Simply masking it with a drug doesn't mean the problem is gone. Dealing with the problem solves it.

I have plenty of perspective. I've seen just about everything drinking can do, both good and bad (and the bad outweighs the good considerably).

"Slight social anxiety" is a problem in later life. It's not life threatening, but drinking to mask it is. Why? Because you're dealing with a minor problem with booze. That kind of reasoning leads to alcoholism.
 

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kokirisoldier said:
WeAreStevo said:
kokirisoldier said:
Soo many high horse people and their "drinking is the ultimate taboo" mind set. No one should ever feel guilty because they drink, no matter how much they drink either. Not your life, move on. Sick of seeing overzealous attacks against those that drink. Its not a sin. They are not throwing their life's away. If you want to blame crime/rape/domestic violence on alcohol you have to understand that those thoughts were in the persons head before they consumed.
Not entirely true.

I work as a substance abuse counselor, and a majority, if not all the guys that come into the program's issues are a direct correlation between substance abuse (note: Abuse. Not use) and their problems.

Be it that they were born into a household with a substance abuser and violence, crime, abuse etc were common place in their home (which then extrapolates into their adult life through conditioned behaviors and maladaptive through processes due to lack of proper mirroring etc) or they started drinking/using substances to relieve an inner pain that then got out of control to the point where they committed such acts.

To say that domestic violence, crime and rape are either there or not regardless of substance consumption is not correct either.

I'm sure everyone can relate to being completely wasted and then flirting with someone, and perhaps even going home and getting it on with them. In the person under the influence's mind, they were debonair, charming, and the participant was willing. This may not be the case, and the person could have in fact raped the other person due to a lack of or inability to provide consent.

As for domestic violence: As previously stated, substances remove the ability to make rational decisions and remove inhibitions. Therefore if someone's girlfriend or boyfriend, husband or wife already grated on the person's nerves (but they never in a million years would consider hurting them), by including substances into the equation then they may snap and end up abusing them. This is also because most substances (amphetamines, meth, alcohol) increase irritability. Again, something that would normally just annoy could potentially bring massive rage of someone who has been using substances.

Finally, with the crime piece, a majority of these people with whom I work tell me that most of their crimes were done simply to "acquire" more of the substance, or to survive. If someone lives on the streets due to excessive alcoholism, which resulted in the breakup of their marriage, the loss of their job and the depletion of their income, then they will do "whatever it takes" to survive. Eat out of a trash can? No problem. Rob someone for money so they can buy booze? Sure. The list goes on and on.

Basically, it's not so much a "high horse" opinion, as it's more than likely fact mixed with subjective experience. Similar to how your take on the issue is subjective, so is theirs. I'm simply providing some facts that I've come by through direct experience in the substance abuse recovery community, as well as from studies/counseling background.

(Source: Substance abuse counselor, MFCC trained, many classes/trainings/experience in working within the substance abusing population)

Holy shit. This site never fails to provide a so called "subject matter expert" in every field you can ever ask for.
Well then you are welcome. The Escapist strikes again.
 

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well, I just went out, had lots of beer (because I fucking love beer) pretty dunk, had a good time, got called a hipster for not liking queen (I went to a metal club and they played queen...) overall a good night that I couldn't have had without alcohol, otherwise would have been much too self conscious.