Sobriety sucks

[Joshimodo]

Slight social anxiety. Is not a problem, only if you intend to be a rockstar or a lecturer are you ever intending to speak to large groups on a regular basis. Being timid is not a condition that needs fixing. Stop trying to find problems where there aren't any.

If it's not a problem, why do you need to drink to solve it?

Also, anxiety=/=being shy or timid. Anxiety, even slight, is a few steps higher than being shy, and requiring drink instead of actual help (as in, overcoming the problem) is ridiculous. It also does have effects on later life - Social situations become more damning (job interviews, giving lectures or presentations, general social occurrences etc.). Shyness wouldn't mar them. Anxiety would.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

You think you can still participate in society fine, but in fact you act and look like a moron and most normal people will try to avoid you.

1. Most normal people get drunk now and then.

2. How do you know whether or not he acts and looks like a moron after he's had a few? How many times have you partied with him? Such baseless insults are just stupid.

I used "normal people" as sober people. They are normal. Being intoxicated isn't being normal.
Normal people can get drunk, I never said they otherwise. But as soon as the get drunk, they aren't normal until they get sober.
As I said, the normal state of a person is being sober.

I have jet to find a person who I like to be with when he/she is drunk. Even a few "shots", as you say, are enough to turn you in a different person. The drunk person won't notice the change, but a sober one will.

Codswallop. You can't make such blanket statements, because there is nothing to substantiate them. Maybe the problem is with you, not the people getting drunk?

Wait, wat? Codswallop? I'm saying my opinion. I say that I have jet to find a person I like to be with. And the rest of my statement is true. Just a little bit of alcohol is enough to change a person behavior. They will not notice it because they are drunk, but a sober person next to them will notice the change. Alcohol chancing a persons behavior is a fact.

Being drunk sucks. Having full control over me self is a better feeling than any drugs can give you.

Speak for yourself, not for anyone else. That being drunk sucks is a statement of objective fact, and you are absolutely wrong to make it.

So OP can say that being sober sucks, jet I can't say the opposite?

Ok now your arguing semantics. You knew what i meant and picked up on a slight missues of a term. So gratz there.

It isn't arguing semantics.
The difference between being shy and anxiety is HUGE.

Anxiety is a form of fear, being shy is just being shy.
Anxiety is a real psychological problem, shyness isn't. Those 2 are to different to mix them up. And if you need alcohol to fix it, then it obviously is a problem and you should search for a solution, not a mask to hid it. If it wasn't a problem, you wouldn't need anything to "fix" it or help you with it.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

Wait, wat? Codswallop? I'm saying my opinion. I say that I have jet to find a person I like to be with. And the rest of my statement is true. Just a little bit of alcohol is enough to change a person behavior. They will not notice it because they are drunk, but a sober person next to them will notice the change. Alcohol chancing a persons behavior is a fact.

Yes, codswallop. You claimed that even just a few shots is enough to make someone, anyone in fact, a completely different person. Now you're moving the goalposts to that it can cause some kind of change in behaviour.

I never said completely different person. I said different. And that's true. Change someones behavior and he is a different person. Our behavior is what makes us who we are.

So OP can say that being sober sucks, jet I can't say the opposite?

But I wasn't responding to the OP, I was responding to you.

I never said it was a fact for everyone that being drunk sucks. It sucks for me. When I post on a forum, I post my opinion. When I post facts, I say it's a fact.
But quite a double standard you have for attacking me, jet ignoring OP for doing the same thing.

 

[ch0pstixZ]

I change drasticly when I'm inebriated, I tend to get real talkative, and extreamly friendly. I am never too sure if its for the better or not because the people I talk to, are people that I don't know, and will never see again.

But on the subject of being completley sobre, I always have a drink after work and on my days off. Always seems to be the most relaxing thing to do.

While I respect "Straight Edge" I seem to find People who decide to become "Straight Edge" usually do it because their favourite bands singer does it. Not because it's something they really believe in. Not saying anyone here who is "Straight Edge" is like that. Just what iv noticed.

 

[molester jester]

I like how everybody seems to automatically assume that when somebody says they enjoy a few drinks, that person is waking up every morning with no idea what happened the night before and probably acted like a monster. You can drink in moderation, you can get drink and not get drunk, you can drink and not act like a dick. I also find it weird that some of the earlier posts seem to think you can't have an interesting sensible conversation while being intoxicated. Drinking a few beers or getting drunk very rarely ends up with you acting like a bastard, passing out and forgetting everything.

 

[Dwarfman]

I have come to the conclusion that sobriety sucks. Not just the Straight Edge notion of absolute sobriety that some of you here know I used to subscribe to. Being sober in any situation that does not absolutely require it sucks. There is never a situation where I think "damn, I wish I was sober right now" but there are plenty where I think "damn, I wish I wasn't sober right now".

Does anybody here feel the same way?

Also, it feels appropriate to post this here:

Sobriety has its place. Just as drunkeness and other states of inebriation have there place as well.

You want your Brain surgeon or Bomb disposal technician complaining about sobriety AFTER they've finished their task.

 

[Joshimodo]

Ok now your arguing semantics. You knew what i meant and picked up on a slight missues of a term. So gratz there.

And you're avoiding the issue entirely. Drinking does not solve personal issues, it simply masks them rather than fixing them. Reliance builds addiction.

Jokes aside, maybe it's when we're drunk that we're truly normal, IE the people we really are, as opposed to the masks we wear when sober?

Speak for yourself. Only people with problems hide themselves behind "masks". If you need to be drunk to be yourself, then either you don't know who you actually are or you have some deep-seated issues.

 

[YawningAngel]

I have come to the conclusion that sobriety sucks. Not just the Straight Edge notion of absolute sobriety that some of you here know I used to subscribe to. Being sober in any situation that does not absolutely require it sucks. There is never a situation where I think "damn, I wish I was sober right now" but there are plenty where I think "damn, I wish I wasn't sober right now".

Does anybody here feel the same way?

Also, it feels appropriate to post this here:

Not really. I've had fun while sober plenty of times, and I've enjoyed conversations more than I would have if both parties had been drunk plenty of times as well.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I've been inebriated once, and I promised myself that I'd never get that drunk again.

And I haven't.

I like to drink, but I know my limits and I'll stop before I lose too much control.

 

[RyanBishop]

CM Punk disapproves of this topic.

On the serious side - why does sobriety suck? I'd much rather have fun without having to resort to substances =) Not always possible though, and I'm not the kind of person who would force oneself not to drink/smoke AT ALL. All's good if measured.

But yeah, back on topic - CM Punk definitely DOES NOT approve...

Off-topic: 100th post, yay?

 

[Joshimodo]

Speak for yourself. Only people with problems hide themselves behind "masks". If you need to be drunk to be yourself, then either you don't know who you actually are or you have some deep-seated issues.

I see unfounded blanket statements are still in season here. I don't suppose you've considered that you might be wrong?

As opposed to "we're all hiding our true selves, getting drunk reveals the 'real' you?" While that's true for some people, those people typically have a reason for faking their way through life beneath a façade. Those reasons are personal issues.

Of course I've considered the possibility I'm wrong, but the evidence points to the contrary. It's not normal to require intoxication to be yourself.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

I have come to the conclusion that sobriety sucks. Not just the Straight Edge notion of absolute sobriety that some of you here know I used to subscribe to. Being sober in any situation that does not absolutely require it sucks. There is never a situation where I think "damn, I wish I was sober right now" but there are plenty where I think "damn, I wish I wasn't sober right now".
Does anybody here feel the same way?

Normally, I would probably disagree with you.

However, I haven't been able to have a drink since November. I will tell you, having passed the holiday season alcohol free, that it really sucks.

Now I'm in the mood for a drink. And I can't have one. **sigh** Thanks a lot, OP.

 

[axlryder]

As opposed to "we're all hiding our true selves, getting drunk reveals the 'real' you?" While that's true for some people, those people typically have a reason for faking their way through life beneath a façade. Those reasons are personal issues.

There is a difference between making a definite factual claim, like you did, and suggesting a possibility, like I did.

Of course I've considered the possibility I'm wrong, but the evidence points to the contrary. It's not normal to require intoxication to be yourself.

What evidence?

Giving yourself a drug "to be yourself" is just so obviously an error in logic that it means you are having problems before administering that drug.

What about clinically depressed people? Is it a logical error for them to take medication, IE drugs, to allow them to be themselves?

There's a complete difference between being intoxicated, i.e., poisoning your body, and taking anti-depressants which help to stabilize or encourage production of specific, necessary chemicals in the brain. Seriously, the two are designed to serve fundamentally opposite purposes on a chemical level (one encourages stability and the other weakens it). It's almost insulting that you would try and draw that comparison.

 

[Zakarath]

1) I don't like the sensation of being intoxicated
2) I see no reason to compromise my control over myself
3) I don't really like the taste of most alcoholic liquids