Socialism reminds me of a religion.

[Superior Mind]

Scientific method proving Capitalism is in every way superior? What are you on and can I have some?

"Capitalism good, Socialism bad" is one of the most thickheaded arguments around today. Both have positive attributes and both have negative attributes. The best you can do is take the positives of each and combine them. Unfortuntely in places like America where the "Red Menace" still seems to be alive and well for some reason the meer suggestion of slightly socialist policy being introduced is met with open and predominantly ignorant hostility.

Capitalism is not the ultimate of human economic structure. It too lives on sweet dreams where everyone is free to pursue what they want - provided of course that basic idiotic human nature doesn't take hold and those with power exploit everything they can and shaft everone else. The exact same can be said of Socialism.

 

[thiosk]

The global warming crowd-- and the militant environmentalists in particular-- are even more cultlike.

They are so cute.

"The global warming crowd"? Shouldn't that be everyone? Surely by now, no-one doubts it's existance.

And this is the crux of the matter. Way back in the 90s, the focus was shifted away from science, advancing it, that is. The strategy has been to declare the science settled, and then demagogue anyone who argues a different point.

I hang out with a lot of science people, and even they fall prey to belief. "You don't believe in global warming? i believe in global warming!"

Well, belief is cheap, and I blame most of the 20th century warming on observational bias.

 

[faceless chick]

Everything reminds you kids of religion.
Geez was Sunday school that bad to you?

Btw, never use communism and religion together- communism was completely against religion, since the only person the people should worship was the leader (surprise surprise)

you sir fail at life. that's not the reason communism is against religion (actual communism not the straw man you've made also known as marxism if you're one of those people) communism is against religion because religion is the opiate of the people. Marx described it as a symptom of an ailing society used by the beurgious to make the proletariat feel better about their miserable economic condition and to dissuade them from rebelling because after all this life is just a test and there is paradise waiting after death if you just suck it up.

Look, I come from a communism state,and this is the reason they used to tear down the churches. Whether it's their ideal or not, I don't care,that's the excuse they presented.

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

Pure capitalism is Somalia.
The practice of Socialism or mixed economies as it were is actually far superior to pure capitalism.However if you completely remove capitalism, and not everyone has voluntarily agreed to this, you will destroy everything.

And I don't see as Socialists like religious people, because there has been nothing that says it just can't work.

Authoritarian Communism OTOH seems to have this cult built around "The State" and their revolutionary leaders.
Libertarian Communism (Anarcho-Socialism),Democratic Socialists, and many socialists in general seem to recognize that the State is just as ready to rape your tight little ass as the unregulated free market though. Probably because they're very antagonistic towards corporations, and have seen the fascist tendencies of rich corporations buying out the government for their own gain, while Communists think they would be the only ones in charge ever,and they would not allow the corporations to own them or become corrupt and noone could ever betray their revolution or its ideals, could they?

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

The science of economics, having been developed in a capitalist society, favors capitalistic means as the major goal of economics is mainly for the rich to get richer. However, morality renders such injustices as sweatshops unacceptable.

In our socialist future, we will be rid of such evils.

(yes, I intentionally sounded a bit fanatical. However, I am actually a socialist).

 

[chiggerwood]

Yes, but then again so are most arguments on the internet. Your debunking, or whatever this is, is no different than the things you just pointed out. In the end its all pointless because...well look where you are arguing and then ask yourself does me winning/losing one of these arguments really matter in the big scheme of things? Of course not, were all just wasting time on here.

What you said reminded me of the old saying. "Internet arguments are like the special Olympics. You can win them, you can hold up your trophy, and stand on the pedestal, but at the end of the day you're still a retard."

 

[IrishBerserker]

Recent discussions with fanatical socialists have made me realize how closely their attitude resembles followers of a certain religion and their problems with the theory of evolution.

A typical priest of socialism targets uneducated masses, who most likely will lack the critical mind and specticism to question the truths and promises laid down upon them. Afterall it's hard to resist the tempation of turning your 8$/h McJob into a blessed 20$/h, ridding the world of poor and solving the perceived injustice as well. All you need to do is to believe and strike down a few heretics, keeping you from reaching heaven by following a false god, a Satan of sorts. Such is of course easily justified since they are the reason for the problems in the world, Socialism being good and pure.

As always, science tends to throw our sweet dreams into a trash bin and anchor us to the cold harsh reality. Scientific method has brought us proof that Capitalism is in every way a superior way of handing the economy, yet it constantly faces harsh opposition from believers who represent the "moral option" and deny science partly or completely. Even worse, it's impossible to argue with such people, because you are using logical arguments, models and principles they have abandoned altogether and more sophisticated proof requires years of studying.

Capitalism vs Socialism -threads seem to be doomed into falling to the same "YES, NO" -type of arguing that makes religious threads so tiresome.

I personally find your, as well as others, view of Socialism quite (for lack of a better word) Ignorante. The way Socialism and its supporters are described is quite offensive. I am a supporter of Socialism and am nothing like the posted describtions of a supporter. I am also many other things.

The views of Socialism by you and others are the typical ignorant American sentiments. This last point is not your fault however, as propaganda has caused most people to view Trditional Socialism as the same as Russian Communism (dictatorship), which is a Perversion of the ideals of Karl Marx & other fine, respectful Socialists. This in turn has caused the wrongful identification of socialists as blind, mindless, fanatical follwers of genocidal maniacs (most notably Stalin, Mao & Kim Jong Il).

In Closing, I respectfully ask that the next time you start a debating thread about something, you do some research to Inform yourself and others of truth as well as not belive any propaganda.

 

[Good morning blues]

Scientific method has brought us proof that Capitalism is in every way a superior way of handing the economy, yet it constantly faces harsh opposition from believers who represent the "moral option" and deny science partly or completely.

All right, Mr. Empiricist, this is a phrase you're going to need to defend the fuck out of because as it stands it doesn't even make proper logical sense. Show us some emprical evidence that capitalism is a better way of handing the economy than socialism, and maybe let us know what definitions you're using for "socialism" and "capitalism."

 

[LewsTherin]

Science never proved that Capitalism is a better economic system.

Sure it has.

Many times.

Strangely, the science of economics always seems to prove Capitalism is the better economic system right before the economy crashes...

Those scientists are usually part of a capitalist system. I see it as a case of "our way is better than yours and here's why" instead of true science, which must by neutral by definition.