Society's Dumb Punks

[fulano]

So, from reading the first 4 posts in this thread I got: I hate people that ride bmx bikes and light a couch I set on my front lawn on fire. I blame those damn communist pigs!

Now all makes perfect sense...

 

[MRMIdAS2k]

Find the little fuckers and take an axe to their skateboards.

They fucked up summat of yours, you fuck up summat of theirs.

 

[kanyatta]

Wait. How was capitalism to blame for some skateboard punks?

Well, if the world were run by Socialism, those kids would have been round up and sent back to work; to contribute to society instead of stealing from it.

I have a lot of different ideals of how the world should be run, very few of them are capitalist.

Yes, I hate Hollister wearing skateboard punks that think they're hot shit and all that, and I'd like to beat the crap out of every one of them, but I know it's their parents at fault for having children and not monitoring what they do one bit.

 

[Mnemophage]

Having BEEN one of those goods-smashing punks, I'll tell you that the desire to be a destructive little shit is older than dirt and such an integral part of the mind of man that to remove it would also remove one of the things that makes us viable. The mindless defiance today is what gets this world changing tomorrow. The world has enough peaceful herbivores, and I don't want our species to join them.

What you say makes absolutely no sense. Entires schools of thought have been born to explain what exactly is it that makes humankind viable, and you suddenly come out with defining "mindless defiance" as the thing that pushes us forward? Overcoming mindless defiance is why we're not extinct, 'cuz our ancestors knew when to run.

Being a stupid little shit is just that, being a stupid little shit. To top it all off, that behaviour is understood already in stupid teenagers who are male for the most part.

P.S: We're all herbivores already.

That mindless defiance is drive - a direct impetus to act without anything to focus on. When we're still young, we have nothing to act out these natal urges on. Using a personal perspective, when I was a teenager I knew I wanted to do SOMETHING, that SOMETHING was wrong with the world, but I didn't know what, and I didn't know how I could have any effect. The result was directionless anger. Now that age has given me the benefit of perspective, I can see just how many options I have to fix things, but when you're not yet an adult, not quite with an adult's freedoms but with what feels like a full helping of stress and responsibilities, it's not only natural to act out, but it creeps me all to hell when people don't. Without this or any other drive, we would stagnate.

This defiance isn't the ONLY thing that pushes us forward, but for those of us without something to lose or a hunger to learn, it's often all we've got. Breaking rules makes us feel like an individual, and breaking stuff makes us feel powerful. In reality we're far from it, but you can't base a growing personality around what you aren't.

PS: I always thought we were omnivores. I certainly enjoy eggs and bacon on my bagel in the morning.

 

[fulano]

unabomberman - its the only economic system that works (i know there are others but all contain some elements of property ownership and free trade)
systems like communism are incapable of any progress because they are barely able to feed their citzens
the only reason there were TVs or stuff like that (not that there were many) in USSR was that there were so called "economic spies" who were stealing patents from the US and western europe.
tell, when was the last time you heard about a north korean or cuban invention?

as for those skater punks - hooliganism is old as dirt indeed, though my bet is on bad parenting

Look, I'll be blunt and hopefully you won't be offended, okay?

You have absolutely no clue about what you are saying.

systems like communism are incapable of any progress because they are barely able to feed their citzens

I'm sorry but you're wrong. there's more poverty and famine NOW in capitalist economy than there ever was in communist economy. You can talk about free speech and human rights violations but if you take the world as a whole into account shit has hardly changed, it just moved away to other places. You are not opressed in Poland now, but people in other places are.

the only reason there were TVs or stuff like that (not that there were many) in USSR was that there were so called "economic spies" who were stealing patents from the US and western europe.

Whoa...now, that explains everything. I guess they didn't have computers, or rockets, or put the first friggin man made satellite in orbit, or built space stations...okay, I shut up...

tell, when was the last time you heard about a north korean or cuban invention?

Ok, let's see..hmmm...in the 1980's Cuba developed a vaccine for Meningitis B, which was used at home, Brazil and Argentina with good results, and a more recent succesful vaccine for Hep-B already in use in more than 30 countries. The cuban Center for Molecular Immunology is right now doing research into anti-cancer and HIV drugs. The Cuban record boasts 26 inventions with more than 100 international patents already granted(hear that? ALREADY GRANTED).

As for the North Korean, well...yeah, they're fucked up; other than nuke and missile research they don't do much BUT they just invented a super high-calorie noodle so they can't be THAT fucked up.

We agree about the hooliganism.

The reason communism collapsed is the very same reason why capitalism is fucking everything up right now and will also collapse eventually: Human Greed.

It's easy to say stuff and then not back it up. Next time, stop underestimating the people that actually live in those conditions and do some reading.

 

[fulano]

well actually i do a fair deal of reading on the subject, though i agree some of my arguments were cheap. i didnt know youll go that deep into the subject. so cuba has inventions. ok ill think about that later. what i was trying to say is that communism unlike capitalism is a system that requires central steering to exist, that means there has to be some priviliged group of people who hold the power and redistribute goods. their control over the society is far more extended than in capitalism, because they control every aspect of human life from taking a dump to buying a house, because they hold all the goods necessary for a man to exist.
as you mentioned there is human greed to which communism, because of the overgrown goverment is most vunerable. in capitalism greed is what makes people prosper (companies sell better products at lower prices too outdo the competition and make more profit etc.) and in communism its what makes people starve (yeah btw, name a western, capitalist country where a big part of the society is starving to death) because of the armies of privileged goverment officials stealing from the people actualy creating the goods. not to mention how manualy steered economy is inferior to free market in every way.
as for the poverty moving to other places of the world - note that its always because of the goverments or corporations (which are like small goverments) exploiting people with anti free market laws (like in africa it is forbidden by local goverments to produce cocoa out of cacao nuts for the sake of western corporations)
and of course USSR had rockets and satelites - it was necessary for the propaganda. but i bet your parents didnt have to stand in lines for 6 hours to buy milk

pfff i dont even know why am i arguing with you, rich and spoiled american defending a system that killed twice as many people as the nazis :|

oh sorry ive read that youre mexican. that should make you think even more of why your fellow men are emigrating to those damn capitalists

Now you throw insults at me? "rich and spoiled american"? Just what the hell is wrong with you and your logic of "if you're not with me you're against me." Now, I suddenly speak ill of capitalism and I'm a commie lover? Hmmm...someone likes to jump to conclusione here.

So your parents had to stand in line for 6 hours and now you are entitled to what, exactly? You don't know squat about what my parents had to go through or the hardships that my generation goes through in this very capitalist economy because we mexicans live on the other side of the planet and you obviously couldn't give a clam's ass about us-which is fine because we're of no importance to you, we're that far. But don't throw silly opinions like "oh sorry ive read that youre mexican. that should make you think even more of why your fellow men are emigrating to those damn capitalists," when you haven't even held an argument with me regarding the matter.

I won't go any more off topic in here than I already have, so I won't even attempt to counter argument you, instead why don't you PM me and see if your arguments are sound? What have you got to lose? Or maybe you are just that awesome not to give a rat's ass, who knows...I mean, you suddenlyknew I was a what exactly? oh, yeah, a rich and spoiled american.

So what then? The ball's on your side of the court.

Meh...sorry for going off topic, really.

 

[TaborMallory]

"Only the ignorant despise education."
-Publilius Syrus

Just a quote that we were discussing in english class today.

Time and time again, I see this quote to be very true.

Like when some punk kid called some other kid a homo for using words such as "ignorant" and "inquire", and that "no straight guy would ever use words like that". We both then turned around and assaulted him with big long words XP

 

[WingedFortress]

*There was a sentence here that I didn't think was totally necessary. Pure snark, no substance, and I don't want a debate to become an argument*

Are you going into politics? Have you spent the time, dare I say, coming up with a solution? Or do you just want to talk about it, and have other like minded individual's pat you on the back?

And before you go into some detailed essay on how the world could work for you, don't. I've heard every diatribe, lecture and soap box rant on this subject, and hell, have made a few myself. The fact is, that unless you can prove, with reasonable unbiased results(like actually doing something) that you indeed do have the right mindset, I, and the rest of us who are sick of high and mighty individuals like yourself, aren't listening. We are however, becoming less and less keen on your idea's, and alot less willing to adopt them in the end. Know your audience.


And after all that, I really don't want to put you down. It's just when you come onto a message board with your own "this is why the world sucks" mentality, you gotta expect some rebuttal. This isn't me starting a flame war, and I'm more than open to some healthy dialogue. I really just don't buy into the whole "capitalism is the world's evil *****" ideal.

You're right. I'm not trying to win votes or change minds, and I'm not trying to defect, deflect or otherwise avoid the truth. I just never seem to tell people what I'm really thinking, and it irritates me just as much as I just did you. Thank you for pointing this out. I really do thank you.

Ah, there's no need to make such a big deal out of all this internet stuff. I'm sure it's all relative, or something. The world's probably totally fine.

 

[Alfie]

Soceity's dumb punks must be those junkies that broke into my mailbox and stole all my (fan)mail..
Tough on the bright side, atleast i diden't have any bills that day =)

That mindless defiance is drive - a direct impetus to act without anything to focus on. When we're still young, we have nothing to act out these natal urges on. Using a personal perspective, when I was a teenager I knew I wanted to do SOMETHING, that SOMETHING was wrong with the world, but I didn't know what, and I didn't know how I could have any effect. The result was directionless anger. Now that age has given me the benefit of perspective, I can see just how many options I have to fix things, but when you're not yet an adult, not quite with an adult's freedoms but with what feels like a full helping of stress and responsibilities, it's not only natural to act out, but it creeps me all to hell when people don't. Without this or any other drive, we would stagnate.

This defiance isn't the ONLY thing that pushes us forward, but for those of us without something to lose or a hunger to learn, it's often all we've got. Breaking rules makes us feel like an individual, and breaking stuff makes us feel powerful. In reality we're far from it, but you can't base a growing personality around what you aren't.

So what your saying is, Driving scateboard and breaking stuff makes the human race progress and flurish?