Software languge options - why does English always need a 'US' next to it?

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kurupt87

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GenericPCUser said:
http://dragonage.bioware.com/

English is represented by a Canadian Flag. (As well as American and British, but who wouldn't want a maple leaf?)
You ninjary bugger. I looked through every post to check no one had linked to the BSN already and here you are, the latest post. Blurrrgag!

OT: Yeah it irks me when there's a USA flag next to the word English. A combination of it being stupidly incorrect and a resentment at having to pick it.

Edit: And don't get me started on computing language, I'll "color" you in a minute you dipshit language. The process of purposefully incorrecting myself is extremely aggravating.
 

rapidoud

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US English means they won't get confused when they keep writing more mistakes.

boag said:
Becuase the US is the center of the universe?
Yep, in everything, exports, imports, guns, popularity, last country to fall.... or so they think.
 

t3h br0th3r

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boag said:
Becuase the US is the center of the universe?
USA,USA,USA...


yeah, its basically just spelling and a few phrases.

ex: in the US lift means either picking something up or giving someone a ride somewhere. I think the brits use lift for elevator.

no clue what the Aussies do differently and i have no idea what Indian English would look like
 

Redlin5_v1legacy

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Because Canada isn't a country and the UK have different ways of spelling certain words. That and Windows/Apple are American companies.
 

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ph0b0s123 said:
One for the brits here. Does it ever annoy you that when you install a new piece of software that you only ever get the option of 'US English' rather than just English. Like it was invented by US. The best was today when installing Steam, it asked for my language preference. All the language options had helpful flags next to them. French flag for French, German flag next to German. Give you three guesses which flag was next to the only English option.....

Now I know I will get my back side handed to me as this is a mainly US populated forum. And I know that the US is the biggest market in the world with the largest population of English speakers, blah, blah.

But if it is that confusing for Americans to work out what language option they should pick if it has and English or British flag against it or is not denoted as 'US' English, just had done with it and add American or US as a language option... But then again I suppose if you put American that would probably mean Spanish now, right.....
I know what you mean with the flags, but I have to point out that in some cases there's a very good reason to specify 'US' English.

For instance, my keyboard layout is 'UK' 101/102 keys, whereas many keyboards are 'US' 101/102 keys.
If you set the default keyboard layout based on the language options, then it does matter.

Similarly, I have multiple spell-checkers installed on my computer.
Not only because I speak German & Dutch, but also because I have Australian English, British/UK English, and (the default), US English. At the same time.
If no distinction was made, the options for which language to use to check my spelling would be: English, English, English, German, Dutch.

Which is kind of confusing.

Now, why would you think this matters if the only option is 'US' English?
Well, if you're a programmer, it matters a lot.
Because it means you're assuming you wont ever have to deal with different dialects with unique spelling and cultural references that may vary from place to place.

You think saying 'US English' is bad?
Well would you think it better if it just said "English", but then someone makes a localised version for the UK and we now have "English" & "UK English?"

Explicitly stating that it's US English is actually acknowledging that there are other countries on the planet as well. (And it specifies that the cultural references and spelling in use are probably those of the US, rather than anywhere else.)

Using flags however is a bit of an irritating thing to do though, because it suggests something else. It gives far more of an impression that this is the country you're from if you speak this.

That's not a problem exclusive to English though;

I should point out that German is also spoken in Switzerland. (As is french & Italian), and Spanish is spoken in several countries as well.

Putting a German flag next to German language options makes a similar statement to using a US flag with English, except that English didn't originate in America, which makes the presumption seem a little more galling than it would otherwise be.

(Though I suppose using a mexican flag with Spanish would have the same implications.)
 

randomsix

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English is actually one of the languages that it doesn't make sense to associate with one particular country.
 

Nohra

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Personally, I treat the two languages as entirely different languages, but that's mostly because UK English and US English have evolved separately over the last 200ish years.

US, here.
 

Ken Sapp

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Maraveno said:
Ken Sapp said:
This with the added factor of : Cause it takes some money to have a complete seperate language bank that's blatantly the same in laymen's terms


Just saying
I do believe I said just that. I may have used more words though. :p

To be fair there are differences, just ask any English major. They may not be as different as Mexican Spanish and Spanish Spanish, but they are there. These differences are large enough to cause a failing grade in college level English courses if you use the wrong form.

Just don't ask me what they are beyond some of the more common spelling differences.
 

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ph0b0s123 said:
One for the brits here. Does it ever annoy you that when you install a new piece of software that you only ever get the option of 'US English' rather than just English. Like it was invented by US. The best was today when installing Steam, it asked for my language preference. All the language options had helpful flags next to them. French flag for French, German flag next to German. Give you three guesses which flag was next to the only English option.....

Now I know I will get my back side handed to me as this is a mainly US populated forum. And I know that the US is the biggest market in the world with the largest population of English speakers, blah, blah.

But if it is that confusing for Americans to work out what language option they should pick if it has and English or British flag against it or is not denoted as 'US' English, just had done with it and add American or US as a language option... But then again I suppose if you put American that would probably mean Spanish now, right.....
There's a few reasons behind it. The primary one is simply keyboards. US keyboards have 101 keys, while most foreign keyboards have 102. The extra one being an accented letter based on the language (at least in Europe, Asian keyboards are even more different). It's just to make it easier for the software to know which keys it should be listening for.

As for your other complaint, the reason it's called US English is because the vast majority of software developers for the most popular software are American, and that brings with it all their prejudices and stereotypes.
 

FalloutJack

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Because of all the dialects. You think english is all universal with everybody? Come on down to Pittsburgh and I'll show you some words that you'll never believe.
 

coolkirb

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Yeah Usually they have US English and UK English just like the have French and French (Canada)
 

The Random One

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Well, you're in lucky, because I just have a magical thingamajig that allows you to peek into alternate dimensions in which things are slighly different! I'll tune it off the dimension where every woman has marginally larger breasts and tune it to the dimension where US English is just called English.

Oh what a coincidence! It appears that your alternate version in that alternate dimension has just created a new thread on the Escapist (ension). Let's see what you posted:

alternate dimension version of ph0b0s123 said:
One for the brits here. Does it ever annoy you that when you install a new piece of software that one of the languages in it is English but it's always with American grammar and spelling? As if when we see the word English we are supposed to assume it means US English, as opposed to, you know, English English.

Now I know I will get my back side handed to me as this is a mainly US populated forum. And I know that the US is the biggest market in the world with the largest population of English speakers, blah, blah.

But would it be that confusing for Americans to work out how to write their product in British English? I mean, it wouldn't be that different, and if people had real problems with it they might maybe ship it with US English as an option, so we'd at least know what kind of English we would be reading... But then again I suppose if you wrote US English that would probably mean Spanish now, right.....
Uncanny!

Also in that dimension you have slighly larger breasts. Go figure.
 

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randomsix said:
English is actually one of the languages that it doesn't make sense to associate with one particular country.
Why? I assume one would naturally associate 'English' with 'England', if only from an etymological point of view.

It certainly does stand out from a rest-of-the-world perspective:

I mean, in Colombia you would pick the Spanish flag, because Spanish originated in Spain.
In Austria you would pick the German flag, because German originated in Germany.
In Haiti you would pick the French flag, because French originated in France.
In England...wait...

But I actually don't think it's a big deal, it's obviously because the big technology firms are based in the US and they use US spelling as standard. Most non-US English speakers know that, and can work around it. But it is a departure from the norm.
 

Squarez

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This webpage might be quite interesting to those in this thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_differences
 

Typical Cats

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Redlin5 said:
Because Canada isn't a country.
Can't tell if joking or just very stupid.
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Anyways, does it really make a difference? They only do it because most of the company's are American.
 

Saelune

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Today I watched 2 hours of british television. (Im from the states)
Trust me, there is a difference between our english and your english.