Someone Please Kill Noober. Gifting Baldur's Gate: EE on Steam. [Closed]

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Louie Clark

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We're doing this again.

The Baldur's Gate series (on PC, not the shit console game that just had the name slapped on) is probably tied with the Interplay Fallout games and Planescape: Torment for my favorite computer RPGs. I had them all when they were originally released, and even though I love Baldur's Gate 2 and it's add-on a million times more than the first game, it's still wonderful.

It recently hit Steam, which was a surprise to me. I already had it preordered from Beamdog or whatever that stupid service is, so I can't really justify buying it for myself on Steam. That being said, I still want to give them my money because they deserve and need it for what they have done here, and are planning to do in the future.

Yes, it's an old ass engine. Yes, it still has bugs and flaws. The age shows, and the 2nd Edition rules are probably older than most of you are. It's still a great look at Forgotten Realms, and a good introduction to what I think is the most epic (in scope, I'm not just saying epic because this is the internet) Dungeons and Dragons series we have.

If you're not familiar with the game, with 2nd Edition, or with Forgotten Realms/D&D at all, you're going to probably die a lot. The game starts you at level 1, which means if just about anything at all gets a good hit in on you, you are going to be dead in one shot. I don't think anyone will call you out for making liberal use of your Q key at the start to quicksave, especially if you are learning the system.

If you are one of the wee little tykes and you have no god damned idea what Baldur's Gate is, or why it's so amazing and important, that's understandable. Do you like Dragon Age and/or Mass Effect? Specifically the dialogue and characters? All that started here (There's even a BG2 character in ME2), and I think this series does it much better. The dialogue may be just text for the most part, but there is so much depth to whats going on that it makes Mass Effect and such seem bland by comparison. It gets even deeper in Baldur's Gate 2 (which you can get cheap on Gog.com if you don't want to wait for a BG2:EE)

If you want a chance to get a copy, just comment saying so. As always, I ask that you don't ask for it unless you are really going to play it. I want it to get used, not just sit unplayed on your account. I'm spending my read dollars on this. It's not some promotional code I got for reviewing it or something. Don't make me waste my dollars, please. I need those dollars.

If you have any questions about the game itself, feel free to ask and either myself or some other person who is in love with the game will answer you.

tl;dr: Read the thread title, idiot.
 

JaceArveduin

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Oooh...

Oh, and I take offense at that, I rather liked the Dark Alliance games for what they were...

Maybe my best point is that I need to truly play a Baldur's Gate game, instead of the shitty versions?
 

Berithil

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Oh, cool!

I saw that that was coming out, and, having only played those "shit console games", this really perked my interest, especially since I've heard it's one of the best RPGs out there.
JaceArveduin said:
Oooh...

Oh, and I take offense at that, I rather liked the Dark Alliance games for what they were...

Maybe my best point is that I need to truly play a Baldur's Gate game, instead of the shitty versions?
You and me both :p

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, a crappy old engine would actually be ideal for me, since I've only got a crappy laptop for PC gaming.

I've actually played the Fallout games several times since they're some of the only games I can actually play on my laptop XD
 

Louie Clark

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Don't get me wrong, Dark Alliance isn't a bad game. It just isn't a Baldur's Gate game. They just slapped the name on it and it has nothing to do with the series or the characters in it.

Yeah, if you can run notepad.exe I'm sure you can run Baldur's Gate. You could draw a picture of a computer on a napkin and I bet that drawing could run the Infinity Engine.
 

Legendairy314

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Saw that a few days ago and immediately put it on my wishlist. It ain't that big of a wishlist either. I know next to nothing about it but have heard tons of good stuff and would love to have it. Ideally I'd wait for a steam sale considering I just bought 50$ worth of games last month and still haven't played half of them.

Anyways, how do the companions work? What was changed in this new addition? And how long do you think the game would last? Ideally I'd like to start a video series and I'd love to include this along the likes of KoTOR.
 

Bleidd Whitefalcon

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This is kinda cool. I'm interested in this - always wanted to play Baldur's Gate but never got around to picking it up. Is it still worth playing?
 

Louie Clark

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Legendairy314 said:
Anyways, how do the companions work? What was changed in this new addition? And how long do you think the game would last? Ideally I'd like to start a video series and I'd love to include this along the likes of KoTOR.
There's a ton of different companions. You can have a party of six, or less if you choose. Experience from kills and most quests gets divided up among the party. For major story quests and other events in the characters own personal quests, experience may be awarded to each member instead of divided. You can tell my the message, either Party gains xxxxx or Name gains xxxxx.

Each person you can recruit has their own thing going on, and if you talk to them (and they like you, more later) you can learn more about them and help them with their story. You can also date some of them. It's done tasteful, and doesn't come off weird.

They also each have their own alignment, and if your reputation is too high or low for them, they will start to complain. If you keep doing things they don't agree with, they will leave your group or outright attack you depending on who it is and what you do that they don't agree with. Also, some characters hate each other, and will argue with each other, attack each other, or refuse to group with the other. Some have friends as well. There's a husband and wife team that will join as a package deal.

This upgraded version added three new companions, and I've only dealt with one of them and very little at that. There is a wide spread among their classes, so you can play whatever you like and get companions that suit your party.

The whole list of additions is as follows--
Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition contains the following enhancements:

New Adventure: The Black Pits
New Character: Dorn Il-Khan
New Character: Neera the Wild Mage
New Character: Rasaad yn Bashir
A new collection of player character voice sets
Native support for high-resolution widescreen displays
Over 400 improvements to the original game
Improved multiplayer support with connectivity between all platforms

A lot of the "400 improvements" are because they modded the engine to be closer to the version used in Baldur's Gate 2.

The Black Pits is a stand alone adventure that I understand is very combat heavy vs story. I haven't tried it myself.

As for length, it will vary. If you just do the main quests, I'd guess 5-10 hours maybe. Each area has many subquests, and this series is worth replaying as both good and evil, as a lot of what happens will be different, including the quests and companions you can take. It's been a long time since I've played this game full through like that, but Baldur's Gate 2 can easily reach 100 hours if you are doing all the quests and things. Also, this version has the addon to the first game included, and I never played that. I'd guess you could push a play through to 40-50 hours if you explored everything. Honestly, the game is fun to explore and the NPCs can be interesting. It doesn't feel like busy work or padding.

If you liked KOTOR and Mass Effect, you'll like this series if you can get over the age of the games. They were all made by the same studio, even if it has moved around and changed names.
 

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I'd be interested, of course.
I played the games back in the day, beat the first one, and spent ages in chapter 2 of the second. Seriously, after moving on from chapter 2, it always felt like I missed out on something...

The Baldur's Gate games are some of my most cherished RPG experiences so I'd be glad to have another go at it.
 

Louie Clark

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dolgion said:
I'd be interested, of course.
I played the games back in the day, beat the first one, and spent ages in chapter 2 of the second. Seriously, after moving on from chapter 2, it always felt like I missed out on something...

The Baldur's Gate games are some of my most cherished RPG experiences so I'd be glad to have another go at it.
While I was waiting for my ship out date to leave for Basic Training, I played BG 2 back to back like ten times or more. I think it's really the better of the two, but that's not to say I hate the first one. The second one spoiled me I think, and once I played it, the first one just seemed old.

But yes, easily one of my best rpg experiences. Also, David fucking Warner is the voice actor for the main villain in BG 2. I love that man.

I have you and all the others recorded for this random thing.
 

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Louie Clark said:
Sounds awesome. How well HAS the game aged? I've found the original fallouts...playable. Is there certain decision s that, if made, will lock you out of winning the game or drastically change the game experience for worse? I've noticed that in certain old school RPGs you can make a mistakes whose consequences might not be felt for hours and involve you loading up a save 5 hours back or maybe even one that doesn't exist anymore.

Also, while I knew that Bioware made this I'm not holding it up to any standard story or gameplay wise. Is it more so comparable to bioware games in their structure or is it vastly different?
 

Louie Clark

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Legendairy314 said:
Louie Clark said:
Sounds awesome. How well HAS the game aged? I've found the original fallouts...playable. Is there certain decision s that, if made, will lock you out of winning the game or drastically change the game experience for worse? I've noticed that in certain old school RPGs you can make a mistakes whose consequences might not be felt for hours and involve you loading up a save 5 hours back or maybe even one that doesn't exist anymore.

Also, while I knew that Bioware made this I'm not holding it up to any standard story or gameplay wise. Is it more so comparable to bioware games in their structure or is it vastly different?
It's totally BioWare.

As far as the game aging, I think the most noticeable thing is the interface and what not. The gameplay, writing, and charcters are top notch as in all of BioWare's RPGs from this era. Planescape: Torment is still the game I point to for having the best writing of any rpg I've ever played, hands down. ps its cheap on gog.com and you play an immortal. fun stuff. The graphics are obviously older, but they still work well for the game. Overall, this version is much more playable than the original release that was locked to like 640x480 or something.

You won't really make mistakes in this that screw you way down the line like that. There are some story points that act that way, but you aren't screwing yourself. Things will have effects on the world sometimes. You won't back yourself into a corner and ruin the game, though.
 

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I'm interested since I've played 2, but not 1.

Question, though. How is melee compared to magic? Often (ESPECIALLY in tabletop gaming and things based off it) magic lets you do things like rain fire from the skies, create a force field over cloth that's stronger than full plate, turn invisible, mind control, summon extra-planar demons, and separate continents with a flick of the wrist. Melee lets you...stab things really good. And that bugs the crap out of me.
 

thesilentman

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Oh, me wants a chance at playing the best RPG in years! Ooh me!

I've never played Baldur's Gate, now would seem like a fantastic place to start. Traditional Bioware? Okay, now you've got me.

*LURK MODE INITIATED*
 

Louie Clark

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Kopikatsu said:
I'm interested since I've played 2, but not 1.

Question, though. How is melee compared to magic? Often (ESPECIALLY in tabletop gaming and things based off it) magic lets you do things like rain fire from the skies, create a force field over cloth that's stronger than full plate, turn invisible, mind control, summon extra-planar demons, and separate continents with a flick of the wrist. Melee lets you...stab things really good. And that bugs the crap out of me.
It's a good balance, and if you understand your class/kit you can destroy things with melee. For instance, did you ever play as a Kensai in BG2? They've added all those kits to the original. If you just roll a fighter, equip a sword and throw him into battle though he's probably going to barely do much. I soloed BG2 as a Monk, but they get stupidly over powered at higher levels.
 

Alien Mole

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D'you know, I played the bajeezus out of Torment but never got around to BG. I'd be quite interested, for what it's worth.
 

BartyMae

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Yeah, I'll enter. I was getting it on Steam at some point, regardless. Thanks for doing this!
 

AuronFtw

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Oh look, another kid who failed to compare the hack n slash titles on ps2 to other hack n slash titles on any system ever to find that they were actually pretty fucking fantastic games, with engaging gameplay, interesting talent selections, and excellent loot hunting and item crafting.

Pretty much the only hack n slash to do the genre better than BG:DA 1 and 2 was d2.

But no, definitely keep bashing Dark Alliance as bad because you're comparing it cross-platform, cross-genre and cross-game gen. That makes so much sense!
 

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I thought Baldurs gate was the bad one, and Baldurs gate 2 was the good one? at least that was the impression i got from when it was announced, as I remember a lot of people saying they should have remastered the second on instead? I cant say I have ever played, which is strange, because im pretty sure i have played all the other isometric crpgs haha