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the rye

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neokarl said:
@Kermi: I said that for one simple reason. Humans ARE bogeymen. Our inability to accept change and those different from ourselves is the reason for the walled city. If you were to look at humanity from the outside, you'd be scared stiff of humans and the things we are capable of. In most fairy tales the monster is a human or is an animal that represents a darker aspect of humanity (eg. the wolf from little red riding hood was used as a metaphor for pedophilia)
I might throw a war or something into the backstory later.

I think WAY too much about this kind of stuff.
I highly disagree about Little red riding hood being a metaphor for pedophilia, Red riding hood is usually seen as a story of sexual awakening or the journey from childhood to adulthood.

You seem to have a intresting premis but you need to avoid cliches. The first page you explained has been done to death and may put off readers, remember your very first piece of work is important as you need to draw readers in.
 

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busterkeatonrules said:
Whatever you decide to do with this concept (webcomic, movie script, etc.), I wish you luck!

Also, love the death - activated computer virus bit! You should have a scene where the virus guy and a couple of other characters are surrounded by government soldiers in full SWAT gear and armed with grenades and huge machine guns, whereupon the virus guy pulls out a small handgun and scares the soldiers into submission - by threatening to blow his OWN head off!
^This^ is one of the reasons I started this thread. To get your thoughts of what you think would help improve the concept. Love your idea, no idea what I'm going to do with the idea.
Proverbial Jon said:
It's not the content, it's the message and way you put it across. If it serves as only a way of promoting the more positive aspects of the furry fandom and dispelling umpleasent misconceptions, then more power to you my friend!

I like the idea of the humans locking themselves away in a walled city as opposed to the usual, "wipe everything out with guns", approach that you see all too often. Perhaps an indication that the basis of most non-furries' hatred towards us is based mostly in fear and a lack of understanding us.

I think I'd rather follow a main character who is a human from the walled city and then becomes an animal person, just so we could see the prejudice he faces and the changes he has to make. It feels to me that an animal person becoming a human wouldn't gain quite the same response... I mean we furries are very tollerant folk after all!

But hey, it's just my opinion, I don't mean to hijack your ideas!
YES, somebody gets it. I was thinking about it being a 'human to animal-folk' senario, but I felt that had been done to death. So I went for the reverse

Feel free to hijack. The more people who put there two cents in, the more likely it'll be worth something to improve the image of furries and maybe make the world more tolerable.
 

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In my opinion, the idea of making it about a person who is suddenly a human is the weakest point.

The setting is intriguing, and there's plenty of opportunity for stories. I'm finding myself more interested in the guy with the virus on the dead-man switch (in this vein, is it going to be futuristic? Or "the world of next thursday" futuristic, like Xmen ) or the experiment-escapees (that could be a whole story in itself, how they escaped and made it out of this city).

Yeah, I'm very interested. I'd love to see this discussed more, because it seems like an awesome concept. Ripe for strong themes about the fandom and how we're regarded by the rest of the world.
 

Nickolai77

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I wouldn't be too worried about the mad scientist clichés, but if you can weave your way around that then extra kudos to you.

But the whole idea is...i dunno, i should warn you that there is a general perception that furries are for children. Animals of Farthing Wood, Redwall, Alice and Wonderland, Rupert et cetera.

Speaking as an apathetic and neutral outsider to the whole furry sub-culture, i would be a bit mythed if if picked up an adult fiction book about humans and furries. I'm intrigued by the idea, but i may find the whole idea a bit too unorthodox. If it's a children's book then fine, but if you aim the book at adult audiences your going to leave a lot of ordinary readers a bit confused.

If your idea became a book, i could see it becoming perhaps cult classic among the furry fandom due to persecution from the internet. But i wouldn't like to bet on if it will have any success with mainstream audiences.

Also, i'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but your idea seems to be a fantasy version of District 9. The setting is original, but the premiss and ideas behind it arn't.
 

neokarl

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Sporky111 said:
In my opinion, the idea of making it about a person who is suddenly a human is the weakest point.

The setting is intriguing, and there's plenty of opportunity for stories. I'm finding myself more interested in the guy with the virus on the dead-man switch (in this vein, is it going to be futuristic? Or "the world of next thursday" futuristic, like Xmen ) or the experiment-escapees (that could be a whole story in itself, how they escaped and made it out of this city).

Yeah, I'm very interested. I'd love to see this discussed more, because it seems like an awesome concept. Ripe for strong themes about the fandom and how we're regarded by the rest of the world.
Now that I think about it, you're right. The world and some of the other characters I've made, that sprang for the initial thought, are much more intersesting. The sad thing being I made most of them on a whim
Hhmmm...

Feedback results in new story type stuff
Gonna change a few things. To start Proverbial Jon's idea that it should be a human to animal-folk. That could be a starting point for the story/webcomic/whatever-this-evolves-into but not being the main focus. Maybe make one of the esacped 'experiments' follow the original idea (animal-folk to human), not sure anymore
Just came up with a bit history for the world (this is going to be a bit cliche).
In the late 24th century, a mad scientist devlops a way to turn people and animals into animal-folk (or something to that effect don't know yet), starts off as something trivial but within 20 years there are about 2 billion animal folk.

Mankind naturally freaks out and goes to war.

After 10 years of fighting, humanity realises they are loosing and fight harder.
After 5 more years of conflict, humanity gives up fighting when they discover that animal-folk are looking after the world better than they ever did. Paranoid that it might be a ruse to end humanity, combined with the church's ideology of humans being above all other life forms and some serious corporate greed, they built a super-massive self-sustaining city to house 99.9% percent of the human population (a small portion of humans acctually wanted to work and live with the animal-folk). Complete with a 'no go' zone about a mile or so around it.

After the war, the animal-folk, over the course of 200 years, finnaly rebuilt the remains of the human cities to a more environmentally friendly version of the early-mid 20th century with some leftover technologies from the 24th century humans(personal super computers, cars that run on salt water, holograms and other stuff like that). Stories of the war and humans became legends and myths of animal-folk society.

Humanity focused on technology and religion (not sure how that works) and after the 200 years, has become like the city from Transmetropolitan minus any non-humans, aliens and with only one religion (in essence, not a nice place to visit even if you could). There are 5 people in charge of the city: a 'Pope', a monarch, a president and the CEOs of the two biggest companies (mechanical technologies and drugs respectively). They are either corrupt or useless.
The story begins 50 years after the animal-folk rebuilt the cities.

Now some stuff for the most commented character
'The human with the 'dead-man' switch'
I was thinking he was a genius computer programer for city maintenance. He discovers the truth about the world and anyone who has tried to tell it to the public, by accident. After a moral epiphany, he rewrites the OS that controls all the computers in the city (it was his job to do stuff like that), with the infromation he discovered, deeply encoded into basic systems. He made it so he was the only one who could remove that data without crashing the system. He then spent his life savings on a modification for his 'dead-man' switch.
All human government employees have a 'dead man' switch installed (probably some kind of nanotech) to monitor health and to inform when a replacement is needed (the person dies)
The modification allowed for an encrypted data pulse to be sent in the event of death that would revile the encoded data in the OS.
Then he got greedy and held the power of a corrupt government up for ransom.
He was exiled within 15 minutes.

Nickolai77 said:
Also, i'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but your idea seems to be a fantasy version of District 9. The setting is original, but the premiss and ideas behind it arn't.
You'll be surprised to learn I haven't seen that movie and know nothing about the story behind it. Is it any good?
 

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BonsaiK said:
I can see some potential problems. People who like furries would hate it because the main character is (physically) a human thus rendering the whole purpose of these type of stories completely pointless (think about it).
http://furthiahigh.concessioncomic.com/

Main character is human, yada yada, very popular furry comic.
 

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...So it's CharCole, only ten thousand times more disturbing? I'm not sure I get it, but either way, I wish you much luck, stranger!
Also,don't click that last one unless you're a sick f**k or you hate yourself and your sanity; and consider the rest NSFW.
 

BonsaiK

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Sleekgiant said:
BonsaiK said:
I can see some potential problems. People who like furries would hate it because the main character is (physically) a human thus rendering the whole purpose of these type of stories completely pointless (think about it).
http://furthiahigh.concessioncomic.com/

Main character is human, yada yada, very popular furry comic.
I'm too scared to click that link, I'll take your word for it.
 

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Sleekgiant said:
BonsaiK said:
I can see some potential problems. People who like furries would hate it because the main character is (physically) a human thus rendering the whole purpose of these type of stories completely pointless (think about it).
http://furthiahigh.concessioncomic.com/

Main character is human, yada yada, very popular furry comic.
oO

Clicked the link an hour or so ago, read all 227 comics so far, I love it. Thanks, mate :D
 

Nickolai77

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neokarl said:
Nickolai77 said:
Also, i'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but your idea seems to be a fantasy version of District 9. The setting is original, but the premiss and ideas behind it arn't.
You'll be surprised to learn I haven't seen that movie and know nothing about the story behind it. Is it any good?
Yeah, the rough plot outline is:
Alien refugees arrive and stay in shitty conditions in South Africa, humans hate them so whomever is in charge of them decides to shift them to another camp away from humans settlement. This guy who's organising the removal of the aliens mucks around with alien technology, slowly turns into one of the aliens, switches sides and helps the aliens fix their spacecraft and return to their home planet.
 

Sleekgiant

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BonsaiK said:
I'm too scared to click that link, I'll take your word for it.
Its one of the few furry comics that stays SFW, which is a shocker.
PoisonUnagi said:
Sleekgiant said:
BonsaiK said:
I can see some potential problems. People who like furries would hate it because the main character is (physically) a human thus rendering the whole purpose of these type of stories completely pointless (think about it).
http://furthiahigh.concessioncomic.com/

Main character is human, yada yada, very popular furry comic.
oO

Clicked the link an hour or so ago, read all 227 comics so far, I love it. Thanks, mate :D
Glad you liked it
 

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Captain Pooptits said:
Can't believe I'm the first to link to this, but this story premise has been done: www.2kinds.com

Okay so it's not set in modern times and the hybrids are not the center of the story, but come on, you can't ignore the similarities.
"Nothing has been original since the Greeks."

A plot or premise doesn't have to be complicated to be good/meaningful.

Just as an example: One of my favorite stories was about a boy who sees ghosts, and uses this information to avenge their deaths (Odd Thomas).

I am not a furry, but I do know a thing or two about writing fiction.
 

neokarl

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Atmos Duality said:
"Nothing has been original since the Greeks."

A plot or premise doesn't have to be complicated to be good/meaningful.

Just as an example: One of my favorite stories was about a boy who sees ghosts, and uses this information to avenge their deaths (Odd Thomas).

I am not a furry, but I do know a thing or two about writing fiction.
Good quote. I am hopeing this will end up being the start a community project
 

Proverbial Jon

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Sleekgiant said:
BonsaiK said:
I can see some potential problems. People who like furries would hate it because the main character is (physically) a human thus rendering the whole purpose of these type of stories completely pointless (think about it).
http://furthiahigh.concessioncomic.com/

Main character is human, yada yada, very popular furry comic.
Wow, thanks for the link Sleek! I've been looking for something just like this to follow. This webcomic is addictive, I can't stop reading... but must... go... to... work... soon... nuuurgh!

This is sounding good, you have a main premise down, especially regarding the humans. But what of the animal people? Are they all peaceful? Do some harbour a grudge towards the humans that tried to wipe them out?

Also, will the walled city be like in "The Island" where everyone living there believes the outside world to be a desolate wasteland due to corporate lies intended simply to keep people inside? Or maybe everyone has simply forgotten just why they're hiding out in a giant walled city?

If I learned anything through trying to craft sci-fi/fantasy type stories like this... is you need a valid and *almost* believeable reason for most elements. Personally I've never liked the mad scientist idea as it feels like a simple excuse for some genetics genius to simply mess with the world. I think somestimes it can be even better if things like "why there are furries" are not explained at all, or simply put down to being a freak mutation, rather like in "Heroes" where people just happen to have super powers. Again, the dead-switch guy needs to have a good reason for doing what he's doing, especially since he's pretty much antagonised all humanity!

I'm liking the idea of a technological religious race of humans though, that's rather creepy! The church always ruins everything! (no offence intended to churchy people!) A little bit like Avatar perhaps, tech humans against native peace loving animal people?

Great ideas so far, it'd be great if this got off the ground!
 

neokarl

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Proverbial Jon said:
This is sounding good, you have a main premise down, especially regarding the humans. But what of the animal people? Are they all peaceful? Do some harbour a grudge towards the humans that tried to wipe them out?

Also, will the walled city be like in "The Island" where everyone living there believes the outside world to be a desolate wasteland due to corporate lies intended simply to keep people inside? Or maybe everyone has simply forgotten just why they're hiding out in a giant walled city?

If I learned anything through trying to craft sci-fi/fantasy type stories like this... is you need a valid and *almost* believeable reason for most elements. Personally I've never liked the mad scientist idea as it feels like a simple excuse for some genetics genius to simply mess with the world. I think somestimes it can be even better if things like "why there are furries" are not explained at all, or simply put down to being a freak mutation, rather like in "Heroes" where people just happen to have super powers. Again, the dead-switch guy needs to have a good reason for doing what he's doing, especially since he's pretty much antagonised all humanity!

I'm liking the idea of a technological religious race of humans though, that's rather creepy! The church always ruins everything! (no offence intended to churchy people!) A little bit like Avatar perhaps, tech humans against native peace loving animal people?

Great ideas so far, it'd be great if this got off the ground!
Thank you for your support. I'll answer your queries in roughly the order they're asked

First, the animal-folk civilization (I'm trying not to use 'furry' due to the sterotype it creates, it would make typing this up a lot easier mind you) is peaceful compared to human civilization. They get angery, hold unreasonable grudges and sometimes kill each other, but animals already do that kind thing. They don't try to commit genoside due to different beliefs, destroyed ecosystems for profit or start war, like humans have done time and again.
As for them holding a grudge against humanity, for the first 20-odd years, yes they did, but that grudge evolved the previously mentioned 'bogeymen' stories over the course of a hundred years.

Second, a little from column A, a little from column B. It would have started as propaganda to keep the masses calmer about the whole 'walled city' thing. But soon people lost interest in the outside world and forgot. Only a few people (round about two dozen) know why humanity is in a giant walled city and most of them are in charge & don't want to change situation.

Third, the 'mad scientist' idea, was simply the first thing that came to mind. I just didn't have a reason to "why there are furries" and I still don't have a good reason. It is rather a large plothole I'd like to fill in at some piont. No idea how though.
As for 'dead-switch' (heh, that sound like some sort of superhero/villian) he was just a spur-of-the-moment character I made to fill up some space in the original post. He just became popular, kinda like Gin from Bleach. But unlike Gin, he is still pretty much a blank slate. I haven't even decided what he looks like, his personality, let alone his true intentions. Though I suspect it might involve money, lots of money.

Finaly, Yeah it is a bit like Avatar(haven't seen but I know a bit about the story)/Pocahontas(seen the Disney version). And yes the idea of a technological religious race of humans does scare me too (I have trouble sleeping after thinking about it too much).

Also, if anyone has any better ideas about anything said, or something to help fill the gaps, feel free to add them and any artists on the escapist are welcome to add images of what you think this world and characters would look like (my art skills are poor at best). I don't expect anyone to do something they don't want to do.
I do want this to be a group project for the furry community to help dispell the sterotype.
Peace. Love. Furry.
 

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neokarl said:
I just didn't have a reason to "why there are furries" and I still don't have a good reason.
Biological Warfare.

Humanity starts to focus on a bio-arms race (throw some political things in: North Korea, you could have them making an army of small purple unicorns to take over for all that the rest of world would know :p) ~2013 - The Beginning of the End.
It's meant to be a 'race' focused weapon i.e. only certain 'races' get effected (read: die).

Surprise, surprise...it scares the crap out of the world!

The US, Russia and EU, not wanting to be left out, start their own programs and counter-programs (vaccine to immunise or 'fool' the weaponized virus to ignore its targets).

How could we get people to get ignored on a genetic level....add new stuff and take away the stuff that makes them the targets! Genius!

Where is the next most viable source of similar genetic material? Primates! Animals!
Hey! Why not weaponized the vaccine too?
Soldiers with wolf like sight, smell and hearing? Hell yeah!
What about stealthy feline soldiers too? Put it on the list!
Husky based arctic long range soldiers? Good idea!
Attributes from a desert fox to secure oil the future of the Middle East! Nice plan. etc.

Things start to get out of hand (as they do) and you take more and more of the 'human' genetic material and the volunteers start to lose their 'human' looks, abet gaining the immunity to all known anti-human bio-weapons. But keep their minds and feelings and everything.

Humm...these soldiers are getting good...too good...
End the program. The UN is going to crap themselves over this.

Ahh! They don't want to be 'ended'!! Oh teh noes! There are enough of them to make a viable population! D'oh!
THEY LITTER MORE THAN ONE CHILD!? FUUUUUUUUUU-

Fur Folk = Fight with tooth, claw and packs
United States Biological Task and Intelligence Force (USBTIF [USBeetif]) = Fight with airstrikes, tanks and armies
See: Vietnam War

The global guerrilla war wares down USBTIF, then the 'Axis of Evil' strikes with their own bio-weapons. 'My enemy?s enemy is my friend.'

2025 - The Fall of Humanity.

The world is brought to its knees. Populations panic. Economies crash. Civil governments struggle to cope and the weaker ones collapse. In the death throes of humanity, the United Nations takes a stand and what few working governments and multi-national corporations are left complete the 'ARK Initiative' [Working title]

The ARK's were built in event of end of humanity. Conveniently, they have mostly been sitting there unused since 2012 (mass panic as an unexpected asteroid and stuff that you can fill in :p)

The old story of 'the best and the brightest' of humanity are chosen and taken to geographically suitable locations, away from large population centres, in a valley surrounded by mountains, sea on one side whatever.

Thing is...it's anarchy out there. People are panicking, biological weapons are going off left, right and centre. The few that escape the cities and hear about the ARK's flee to them. Many have died in the cities. Many die on the journey but with what few people the UN can scrounge together, anyone who isn't infected or dying is a welcome person.

With the doors closed, those left behind are sick and dying. The Fur Folk, immune to all of the weapons that humanity had devised to destroy themselves, try desperately to help.

However, since most of them were just low ranking officers or lower ranks in the armed forces, none of them really know how to develop cures.

2031 - Humanity Has Fallen.

One year before there was 7 billion humans in the world.
The next there are fewer than 10 million. The last human, a young girl, dies on the 31st December 2031 in her sleep. But not before leaving one last message: 'Forgive us all for all these ills.'

2032 - Furs Have Risen.

Although most cities and towns have already started to crumble, the Furs moved to some almost as soon as humans abandon them.

The population boom starts to slow, genetics starts to kick in as the human genes override the animal genes so each pregnancy has only has around one to three offspring, like humans.

Humans are believed to be extinct. There are whispers of the ARK's but since they were hidden for years from general knowledge, no-one knows where they are. Some say that even if they did exist then with all the diseases around, at least one infected person would have entered and decimated the populations.

Humanity is quickly forgotten in many ways. As the years pass and the Furs make their own 'paw print' on Earth, humans are demoted to simple cautionary tails or warnings:
"If you don't come home by dusk, the humans will come and get you!"

"History became legend. Legend became myth."

Humans are cast in a light of trickster or evil sorcerers. Causing all the ill in the world by brewing more powerful potions but finally brewing up a potion so powerful that it consumes them but not before allowing them all one last spell. One human, a young girl, sees a pack of wolves and directs the spell towards them that bestows all of the good and kindness that all of humanity can muster and gives it too the wolves leaving a final message: 'Forgive us all for all these ills.'

The wolves pass the message and knowledge to animal species to animal species which in turn passes it on until the world is here as they know it.

No God myth. No magic legend. Only that there was once something before, it all died out and left the Furs with everything else.