Something Horrified Me Today.

[Generalissimo]

if those dubsteppers go anywhere near the timesplitters OST.......

OT: if it's done right, remixing can be excellent and enjoyable, but if it's mishandled (like you said) it becomes a disaster. this is why i don't like modern music much.


but that's a story for another time.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Dubstep sounds like Optimus Prime fucking a synthesizer and is significantly less entertaining. I'm not a bit LOZ guy myself, but you have my pity.

Nothing really can "damage" my childhood memories, but the closest anything has come would be the utter disintegration of the Shining Force franchise.

It went from this:

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To THIS:

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Yes, my favorite action RPG series went from being an awesome strategy game with cool characters to a PIECE OF SHIT WISHY-WASHY CLICHE ANIMOO GAME.

And yes, I'm mad.

You do realize that Western box art (especially American, but also European) for 8 and 16 bit games was routinely redone to get rid of the anime style, right? It's pretty obvious from the game itself that the artstyle was always anime based, and the box art was just put into a generic Western style because Sega at the time thought westerners were allergic to anime. Think about the American Mega Man box art. That was done to almost every game on a Sega owned system at the time.

OT: eh, it's Dubstep. The whole point of it is taking familiar melodies and screwing around with them; it's not like when Vanilla Ice stole Under Pressure without acknowledging it.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

That is horrifying. Worse is, this wub wub stuff is popular. Really popular. That means that the clubs and bars I previously found bad are now becoming unbearable.

Basically, if you like good music, socialising is becoming harder.

I guess I wonder why NOW, of all times, did dubstep (and why dubstep?) gain such mass appeal. It's been widely available and accessible since around 2000, but no one I know has heard of it until last year. It's just frustrating to an old, jaded (and hipsterish) raver like myself that suddenly every bro-dude now sees themselves as a DJ, electronic music scholar and some kind of dubstep connoisseur because they've been listening to "that new dubstep stuff that Skirllex totally invented last year."

And the kicker is I don't even LIKE the majority of dubstep. I was never much of a fan of dub, wobble (as we called it in Toronto) or UK Garage and this just jams them all together. I'll admit I enjoy what chase and status have done in the genre around 2008, which is sort of their own take on it, but most people who "love dubstep more than anything" have no idea who chase and status are and it INFURIATES me.

I realize it's snide of me to feel this way, but try to understand where I'm coming from. Imagine you're a metal head. You've been a metal head for 10-15 years. Suddenly, for some reason, Led Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy inexplicably makes it's way into popular culture and becomes a super huge sensation. Honestly, you preferred Physical Graffiti but whatever.

You go into a club and they're playing Led Zeppelin! Just songs of Houses of the Holy of course. Well, that's cool. A girl comes up to you saying that she's a HUGE fan of Led Zeppelin! "Awesome!", you think. You ask her if she likes their Physical Graffiti album. She quizically looks at you, wondering what the hell you're talking about. "What's that?" she asks. "Did they make another album recently? Wow!". Realization dawns on you: she thinks the band is new, and not only that, but they only have one album.

You look around the room and a sullen, dour expression seeps over your face "They all think that...". You head over to the bar, ready to numb your mind for the coming hours. "At least I still like the music playing." You think as you take a generous helping of beer from your over priced, plastic cup.

Suddenly, two dude-bro types walk up beside you. Tanned skin, banned glasses, and a tight pink shirt with a popped collar. They're in stark contrast to yourself. Long 80s rock hair, proudly sporting your leather Iron Maiden jacket (your favourite metal band), ripped jeans and chains. Seeing you glancing at them, one comes over, half intoxicated to strike up what you're sure will be a compelling conversation. You resign yourself to the fact that this is going to happen, and decide to get it over with.

"Dude" he proclaims, "Why are you dressed like that?". "Well, I thought I'd dress the part. This is a rock club after all, isn't it?". The dude-bro musters the power of the few working synapses in his brain; "Wha? What you talkin' bout, dude? That's not how rockers dress. We all dress like this, we're total rockers you know. We love Led Zeppelin, so trust us; we know what we're talking about." You gland around the room once again, downing your beer as if it will physically stop the string of expletives you want to spew from coming out of your mouth.

Wanting to avoid confrontation, you just aim to get this over with. "Sorry" you say, as genuinely as you can act, "This must just be the way Iron Maiden fans dress." pointing to the back of your jacket.

"Whoa dude, that's a cool logo!" The dude-bro proclaims. "I've never heard of this Iron Maiden band before, are they like Led Zeppelin?" Not having time to explain the intricacies of metal sub-genres and 70 year history of metal and rock you just say "Not quite, they're a different kind of Metal but they drew inspiration from Led Zeppelin." Hoping this satiates his curiosity, you cringe at the next comment "Dude, if they don't sound like Led Zeppelin then they can't be metal!". "I guess you're right" you say, secretly wishing the club was engulfed in flames taking every living soul with it. You turn back to the bartender and order one last drink before you saunter home and weep.

This is what liking electronic music is like now.

That sounds like Quadrophenia, but with less gang fights and more crushing depression. I guess you can take solace in the fact that the dude bros will move on eventually, although if modern rap is any indication, electronica will still be a shadow of its former self when they're done with it.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

You do realize that Western box art (especially American, but also European) for 8 and 16 bit games was routinely redone to get rid of the anime style, right? It's pretty obvious from the game itself that the artstyle was always anime based, and the box art was just put into a generic Western style because Sega at the time thought westerners were allergic to anime. Think about the American Mega Man box art. That was done to almost every game on a Sega owned system at the time.

OT: eh, it's Dubstep. The whole point of it is taking familiar melodies and screwing around with them; it's not like when Vanilla Ice stole Under Pressure without acknowledging it.

Nononononononononononono. I realize that. Here, for a better understanding, it went from this:

Spoiler

To THIS:

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Those images most definitely don't look like they're from the same series, do they?

So yes, my petty rage is justified.

Eh, I don't know; here's a more relevant screenshot to compare your modern example to:

Aside from a switch from an 80's anime style to a 2010's anime style, and a switch from top down 2D towns to full 3D towns, I'm not seeing a huge visual difference.

 

[Doclector]

That is horrifying. Worse is, this wub wub stuff is popular. Really popular. That means that the clubs and bars I previously found bad are now becoming unbearable.

Basically, if you like good music, socialising is becoming harder.

I guess I wonder why NOW, of all times, did dubstep (and why dubstep?) gain such mass appeal. It's been widely available and accessible since around 2000, but no one I know has heard of it until last year. It's just frustrating to an old, jaded (and hipsterish) raver like myself that suddenly every bro-dude now sees themselves as a DJ, electronic music scholar and some kind of dubstep connoisseur because they've been listening to "that new dubstep stuff that Skirllex totally invented last year."

And the kicker is I don't even LIKE the majority of dubstep. I was never much of a fan of dub, wobble (as we called it in Toronto) or UK Garage and this just jams them all together. I'll admit I enjoy what chase and status have done in the genre around 2008, which is sort of their own take on it, but most people who "love dubstep more than anything" have no idea who chase and status are and it INFURIATES me.

I realize it's snide of me to feel this way, but try to understand where I'm coming from. Imagine you're a metal head. You've been a metal head for 10-15 years. Suddenly, for some reason, Led Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy inexplicably makes it's way into popular culture and becomes a super huge sensation. Honestly, you preferred Physical Graffiti but whatever.

You go into a club and they're playing Led Zeppelin! Just songs of Houses of the Holy of course. Well, that's cool. A girl comes up to you saying that she's a HUGE fan of Led Zeppelin! "Awesome!", you think. You ask her if she likes their Physical Graffiti album. She quizically looks at you, wondering what the hell you're talking about. "What's that?" she asks. "Did they make another album recently? Wow!". Realization dawns on you: she thinks the band is new, and not only that, but they only have one album.

You look around the room and a sullen, dour expression seeps over your face "They all think that...". You head over to the bar, ready to numb your mind for the coming hours. "At least I still like the music playing." You think as you take a generous helping of beer from your over priced, plastic cup.

Suddenly, two dude-bro types walk up beside you. Tanned skin, banned glasses, and a tight pink shirt with a popped collar. They're in stark contrast to yourself. Long 80s rock hair, proudly sporting your leather Iron Maiden jacket (your favourite metal band), ripped jeans and chains. Seeing you glancing at them, one comes over, half intoxicated to strike up what you're sure will be a compelling conversation. You resign yourself to the fact that this is going to happen, and decide to get it over with.

"Dude" he proclaims, "Why are you dressed like that?". "Well, I thought I'd dress the part. This is a rock club after all, isn't it?". The dude-bro musters the power of the few working synapses in his brain; "Wha? What you talkin' bout, dude? That's not how rockers dress. We all dress like this, we're total rockers you know. We love Led Zeppelin, so trust us; we know what we're talking about." You gland around the room once again, downing your beer as if it will physically stop the string of expletives you want to spew from coming out of your mouth.

Wanting to avoid confrontation, you just aim to get this over with. "Sorry" you say, as genuinely as you can act, "This must just be the way Iron Maiden fans dress." pointing to the back of your jacket.

"Whoa dude, that's a cool logo!" The dude-bro proclaims. "I've never heard of this Iron Maiden band before, are they like Led Zeppelin?" Not having time to explain the intricacies of metal sub-genres and 70 year history of metal and rock you just say "Not quite, they're a different kind of Metal but they drew inspiration from Led Zeppelin." Hoping this satiates his curiosity, you cringe at the next comment "Dude, if they don't sound like Led Zeppelin then they can't be metal!". "I guess you're right" you say, secretly wishing the club was engulfed in flames taking every living soul with it. You turn back to the bartender and order one last drink before you saunter home and weep.

This is what liking electronic music is like now.

Aha, the comment back that deserves a serious response. Thank you.

Yes, I'll accept that not all electronic music is bad. I myself used to be a hip hop fan like my dad, before it kinda...well...got bad.

That's the thing, maybe I'm getting old, but I used to be able to respect music I didn't personally like. Sure, it wasn't my thing, but I could recognise technical excellence and creativity. Now I don't see so much of it. I even struggle to think of modern hip hop that I can respect. Sure, modern rock and metal isn't without it's trash, far from it, but there's a greater amount of actually damn good music still being made there, and the community doesn't seem to "tolerate" bad music as much.

Elsewhere, we find music that is only bareable when inebriated and with friends. Electronic music is usually neither recognisable between artists or even their songs. Almost every hip hop/rap song is about partying, having sex, or boasting about both. Almost every pop song is about the L word that I dare not mention such is it's overuse in our society, and don't even get me started on modern indie music, a genre which is ridiculous in the first place, because how can being independent be a genre? Well, it mostly sounds the damn same now, so it's become a genre.

As for the people who follow only what's popular, yeah, they're damn annoying, but I'd rather ignore them than face the prospect of not having a choice to go out and socialise with the kind of music I actually like instead of putting up with music I can't even respect as technically good. Somewhere along the line, something got messed up. I ain't no music student, so I don't know where or how, but something has definately gone wrong.

 

[Jaeke]

I wake up every week-day at 4:35 A.M. I get dressed, brush my teeth, shower, eat some breakfast, browse on the web and watch T.V. until about 5:45ish and then walk to Church for an hour of Early-Morning Seminary. From there I get a ride to school from a friend (with a very awsome 4.6 liter V8 2010 Ford Mustang I might add) and he typically will blast some Rap or R&B or Dubstep, none of these of which I listen too normally (60's Rock n' Roll and Classic Metal for me) and today, he played a Dubstep song that horrified and shocked me to the core.

A song called Hero from an artist that I can't remember (who could anyway with these rediculous names for these "artists") and it was a dubstep rendition of the Hero Of Time... you know... the one theme from Legend of Zelda that you think of EVERY TIME you think of Legend of Zelda.

As soon as the main "chorus" (if you could call it that) started, I recognized it immediately and promptly shouted, as the abominable screech of what sounded like an epileptic transformer tried to convince itself as a piece of music from one of the greatest gaming tracks off all time invaded my ears. "Oh wow! Do you know what this is?" Everyone in the car of course, responded with a quiet no. "This is the Zelda theme! Who would do this?" One of my most nostalgiac and happy memories of my childhood seemed like it was being tortured.

They responded with "I don't know, sounds cool to me."
I replied with a disappointed tone "Really?"

Look, I may be overreacting a bit, I can respect the opinion of one liking this... wub wub... (though it confuses and enrages) and I understand that people do need a way to make a living but this??

*sigh* Anyway, what, Escapists, have you seen that has gone from being something you have loved, to being abused and ripped-off of in this modern generation?

OH NO! Someone took inspiration from a song they enjoyed and remixed it! Oh what gall they have!

/le sarcasm


But seriously if this is te worse thing that's happened to you all day you're pretty sodding lucky. Furthermore despite what you may think "Hero of Time" does not belong to you, it belongs to the various creators and if the artist got permission to sample it from them (which I'm guessing he did) he can do as he wants with it! You don't have to like it, but starting an entire thread to whine about it is childish.

I didn't start a thread to whine about. I didn't attack anyone, I simply said what I thought about that song and why that I thought it was a gross injustice to an already memorable and great piece of gaming history. It didn't need to be remade (again, in my opinion). Just as you are free to say what you think about different songs. I didn't say that I feeled entitled to "BURN THE HERETIC" nor that I am entitled to decide what happens to the song, I took the time to say that I respect others' decisions about music. I made this thread to simply see what others have remembered as something they have loved and have seen it warped to satisfy this generation.

If you don't want to contribute, then don't say anything.

 

[VulpesAqua]

I wake up every week-day at 4:35 A.M. I get dressed, brush my teeth, shower, eat some breakfast, browse on the web and watch T.V. until about 5:45ish and then walk to Church for an hour of Early-Morning Seminary. From there I get a ride to school from a friend (with a very awsome 4.6 liter V8 2010 Ford Mustang I might add) and he typically will blast some Rap or R&B or Dubstep, none of these of which I listen too normally (60's Rock n' Roll and Classic Metal for me) and today, he played a Dubstep song that horrified and shocked me to the core.

A song called Hero from an artist that I can't remember (who could anyway with these rediculous names for these "artists") and it was a dubstep rendition of the Hero Of Time... you know... the one theme from Legend of Zelda that you think of EVERY TIME you think of Legend of Zelda.

As soon as the main "chorus" (if you could call it that) started, I recognized it immediately and promptly shouted, as the abominable screech of what sounded like an epileptic transformer tried to convince itself as a piece of music from one of the greatest gaming tracks off all time invaded my ears. "Oh wow! Do you know what this is?" Everyone in the car of course, responded with a quiet no. "This is the Zelda theme! Who would do this?" One of my most nostalgiac and happy memories of my childhood seemed like it was being tortured.

They responded with "I don't know, sounds cool to me."
I replied with a disappointed tone "Really?"

Look, I may be overreacting a bit, I can respect the opinion of one liking this... wub wub... (though it confuses and enrages) and I understand that people do need a way to make a living but this??

*sigh* Anyway, what, Escapists, have you seen that has gone from being something you have loved, to being abused and ripped-off of in this modern generation?

OH NO! Someone took inspiration from a song they enjoyed and remixed it! Oh what gall they have!

/le sarcasm


But seriously if this is te worse thing that's happened to you all day you're pretty sodding lucky. Furthermore despite what you may think "Hero of Time" does not belong to you, it belongs to the various creators and if the artist got permission to sample it from them (which I'm guessing he did) he can do as he wants with it! You don't have to like it, but starting an entire thread to whine about it is childish.

I didn't start a thread to whine about. I didn't attack anyone, I simply said what I thought about that song and why that I thought it was a gross injustice to an already memorable and great piece of gaming history. It didn't need to be remade (again, in my opinion). Just as you are free to say what you think about different songs. I didn't say that I feeled entitled to "BURN THE HERETIC" nor that I am entitled to decide what happens to the song, I took the time to say that I respect others' decisions about music. I made this thread to simply see what others have remembered as something they have loved and have seen it warped to satisfy this generation.

If you don't want to contribute, then don't say anything.

Felt
FTFY

 

[ThePS1Fan]

Also, for some awesome enjoyment.
DO IT! I DARE YA!

Challenge accepted!

 

[The Lunatic]

Aside from a switch from an 80's anime style to a 2010's anime style, and a switch from top down 2D towns to full 3D towns, I'm not seeing a huge visual difference.

... I think you've just said "Apart from fundamental differences, I don't see any differences".

Style is a pretty massive departure from the original, the style sets the tone for a good number of things as well.

It's like if somebody remade The Dark Night as a musical.

Yeah, it might share elements, but, it's far from the same.


And yes, dubstep is awful.

I doubt anyone listens to it sober.

 

[SD-Fiend]

Also, for some awesome enjoyment.
DO IT! I DARE YA!

Challenge accepted!

Yes... let the eternal rain wash over you. let it cleanse your body and sins. It will wash over your body and mind let it wash away your soul. The eternal rain will wash away all...

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Aside from a switch from an 80's anime style to a 2010's anime style, and a switch from top down 2D towns to full 3D towns, I'm not seeing a huge visual difference.

... I think you've just said "Apart from fundamental differences, I don't see any differences".

Style is a pretty massive departure from the original, the style sets the tone for a good number of things as well.

It's like if somebody remade The Dark Night as a musical.

Yeah, it might share elements, but, it's far from the same.


And yes, dubstep is awful.

I doubt anyone listens to it sober.

Do we share the same hobby? From where I'm standing, that 80's style is gone (which is a shame; I always preferred that older style), and 3D has replaced 2D even for most top down things. It's less like remaking The Dark Knight as a musical and more like coming out with a new Star Trek show that uses CG instead of models on wires.