Something I realized with the Alola Forms in the new Pokemon Game

[SweetShark]

At first it didn't click me, but after I saw the Alola form of Marowak, I had a epiphany:

They are trying....to copy Monster Rancher?

From Wiki:

The characteristics of the monster (such as stats, breed and traits) are determined by various numbers stored in the game. To generate a monster, a random number generator is needed to define what characteristics the monster will have. TECMO created a CD-reading system that would use the discs to generate random number seeds and, consequently, a large variety of random monsters. The values found in the discs' data are mapped to monster characteristics.
Some discs are design to produce specific monsters, often thematically related to the disc in question. For instance, in Monster Rancher 4 the Harry Potter DVD[which?] generates a unique owl monster, and in Monster Rancher 2 and Monster Rancher 4 TECMO's Dead or Alive game creates a Pixie named Kasumi. In Monster Rancher 2, the Lost in Translation DVD generates a unique squid-like creature. Special CDs, called pandora discs, can produce multiple monsters. Often, the Monster Rancher game CD itself is a pandora disc.

The monsters in question get different kind of alternative looks or "skins" base of this factor. Here is an example of a single Monster:

http://monster-rancher.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Suezos

It is the Meta way you bring your old Pokemons into the new game.
Just think The Pokemons like the CDs you put in the game, but in reverse:
In Monster Rancher, the Monster change base the Data in CD.
In Pokemon, the Monster change base the Data in the Game.

In other words what I am trying to say is this:

In the future, when a new Pokemon game come out [Heaven & Hell?], maybe you can change the new Pokemon in Alola types, by transfer them in the game Sun & Moon.

Of course I don't know if there are similar games like these, but It seems close.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Ah... did I misread the Alola concept? I thought it was just that old pokemon have evolved differently in this games region, and thus are different in game, not that you can somehow influence the appearance by meta means.

 

[totheendofsin]

Ah... did I misread the Alola concept? I thought it was just that old pokemon have evolved differently in this games region, and thus are different in game, not that you can somehow influence the appearance by meta means.

No you got it right

honestly aside from different appearances I don't really see how they are similar concepts

 

[SweetShark]

Ah... did I misread the Alola concept? I thought it was just that old pokemon have evolved differently in this games region, and thus are different in game, not that you can somehow influence the appearance by meta means.

No you got it right

honestly aside from different appearances I don't really see how they are similar concepts

It is the Meta way you bring your old Pokemons into the new game.
Just think The Pokemons like the CDs you put in the game, but in reverse:
In Monster Rancher, the Monster change base the Data in CD.
In Pokemon, the Monster change base the Data in the Game.

In other words what I am trying to say is this:

In the future, when a new Pokemon game come out [Heaven & Hell?], maybe you can change the new Pokemon in Alola types, by transfer them in the game Sun & Moon.

EDIT: I will update my explanation in OP for you.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Ah... did I misread the Alola concept? I thought it was just that old pokemon have evolved differently in this games region, and thus are different in game, not that you can somehow influence the appearance by meta means.

No you got it right

honestly aside from different appearances I don't really see how they are similar concepts

It is the Meta way you bring your old Pokemons into the new game.
Just think The Pokemons like the CDs you put in the game, but in reverse:
In Monster Rancher, the Monster change base the Data in CD.
In Pokemon, the Monster change base the Data in the Game.

In other words what I am trying to say is this:

In the future, when a new Pokemon game come out [Heaven & Hell?], maybe you still change new Pokemon in Alola types, by transfer them in the game Sun & Moon.

EDIT: I will update my explanation in OP for you.

Uh... again, where are you reading this?

I can find no sources that state old Pokemon traded into Moon/Sun will change into Alola forms. They're either exclusively caught as their own thing in the new games, or will evolve from the old version like a standard evolution, by leveling into the new systems requirements.

None of that is anything like Monster Rancher. Monster Rancher took outside data and used it in algorithms to make randomized stuff. The alola forms are just redrawn, re-stated Pokemon, available regardless of whether you trade from old games or not. Everythings on the cartridge, no 'meta' input involved at all.

Unless you have a source saying otherwise, of course.

 

[SweetShark]

Spoiler

Ah... did I misread the Alola concept? I thought it was just that old pokemon have evolved differently in this games region, and thus are different in game, not that you can somehow influence the appearance by meta means.

No you got it right

honestly aside from different appearances I don't really see how they are similar concepts

It is the Meta way you bring your old Pokemons into the new game.
Just think The Pokemons like the CDs you put in the game, but in reverse:
In Monster Rancher, the Monster change base the Data in CD.
In Pokemon, the Monster change base the Data in the Game.

In other words what I am trying to say is this:

In the future, when a new Pokemon game come out [Heaven & Hell?], maybe you still change new Pokemon in Alola types, by transfer them in the game Sun & Moon.

EDIT: I will update my explanation in OP for you.

Uh... again, where are you reading this?

I can find no sources that state old Pokemon traded into Moon/Sun will change into Alola forms. They're either exclusively caught as their own thing in the new games, or will evolve from the old version like a standard evolution, by leveling into the new systems requirements.

None of that is anything like Monster Rancher. Monster Rancher took outside data and used it in algorithms to make randomized stuff. The alola forms are just redrawn, re-stated Pokemon, available regardless of whether you trade from old games or not. Everythings on the cartridge, no 'meta' input involved at all.

Unless you have a source saying otherwise, of course.

Fair enough, but the Monsters in MR series have a lot of redrawn monsters as well like in Pokemon Series now.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Spoiler

Ah... did I misread the Alola concept? I thought it was just that old pokemon have evolved differently in this games region, and thus are different in game, not that you can somehow influence the appearance by meta means.

No you got it right

honestly aside from different appearances I don't really see how they are similar concepts

It is the Meta way you bring your old Pokemons into the new game.
Just think The Pokemons like the CDs you put in the game, but in reverse:
In Monster Rancher, the Monster change base the Data in CD.
In Pokemon, the Monster change base the Data in the Game.

In other words what I am trying to say is this:

In the future, when a new Pokemon game come out [Heaven & Hell?], maybe you still change new Pokemon in Alola types, by transfer them in the game Sun & Moon.

EDIT: I will update my explanation in OP for you.

Uh... again, where are you reading this?

I can find no sources that state old Pokemon traded into Moon/Sun will change into Alola forms. They're either exclusively caught as their own thing in the new games, or will evolve from the old version like a standard evolution, by leveling into the new systems requirements.

None of that is anything like Monster Rancher. Monster Rancher took outside data and used it in algorithms to make randomized stuff. The alola forms are just redrawn, re-stated Pokemon, available regardless of whether you trade from old games or not. Everythings on the cartridge, no 'meta' input involved at all.

Unless you have a source saying otherwise, of course.

Fair enough, but the Monsters in MR series have a lot of redrawn monsters as well like in Pokemon Series now.

Well, if the question is 'Do both of these games have alt monsters,' well... yah, ok, they're similar. Them, and every RPG made prior to the PS2 era, and 60% of the RPGs made during and after.

 

[nomotog_v1legacy]

You know, this is just an animal thing. In real life you have animals with changes based on region. The thing that surprises me is why it took game freak this long to think of it.

 

[Igor-Rowan]

You know, this is just an animal thing. In real life you have animals with changes based on region. The thing that surprises me is why it took game freak this long to think of it.

I has happened multiple times before actually: Have you ever noticed how every region has a Pok?mon with an uncanny resemblance to Pikachu? That's heavily implied to be Darwinian evolution of the Pok?mon world, where each Pika-clone adapts better to its enviroment, Emolga flies because of the urban setting, Dedenne was raised in a region where Fairy-type was born, etc . This is the first time it's retroactively happening with already known Pok?mon, Exeggutor makes sense, in a more tropical setting, he would develop like a coconut tree (or in case of Madagascar a dragon tree) does tall and strong. Meowth was bred to be like that as said by Corocoro, Marowak adapted to the volcanic temperatures and the others were raiserd in a cold climate, hence why the different types and abilites.

It's not just that but also there was a peculiar case in Gen III, where Corphish was heavily implied not being from Hoenn and its evolution, Crawdaunt, adapted itself through Batesian Mimicry (a fancier name for Mimic Evolution) where its shell resembles a Sharpedo.

I am no biologist, but I learned a lot from every single Pok?mon and how much its inspired by real life.

 

[Javarock]

Ah... did I misread the Alola concept? I thought it was just that old pokemon have evolved differently in this games region, and thus are different in game, not that you can somehow influence the appearance by meta means.

No you got it right

honestly aside from different appearances I don't really see how they are similar concepts

It is the Meta way you bring your old Pokemons into the new game.
Just think The Pokemons like the CDs you put in the game, but in reverse:
In Monster Rancher, the Monster change base the Data in CD.
In Pokemon, the Monster change base the Data in the Game.

In other words what I am trying to say is this:

In the future, when a new Pokemon game come out [Heaven & Hell?], maybe you can change the new Pokemon in Alola types, by transfer them in the game Sun & Moon.

EDIT: I will update my explanation in OP for you.

They don't change though. It's the pokmon that you catch there, are a twist on old pokemon forms. Think of darwin's finches. In a different environment a species will evolve in different ways if given enough space and unique conditions. Trading your pokemon in won't change them because they were caught/hatched from a breed of the pokemon different from that adapted to the island. Now the thing about monster rancher, is it uses disc codes as a sort of seed to generate monsters based on pre-existing templates that are matched with the seed provided by the disc.

Aside from the raising and training of monsters, there's not a lot of similarities. But monster rancher focuses on making them "unique" in the respect that every monster will be different because it's been generated differently. Pokemon is just introducing a simple result of Darwin's theory of evolution. Which isn't all that surprising.

Edit: For fun, here's a 'family tree' of pokemon, someone made it theorizing how darwinism contributed to the generation of pokemon.

Spoiler

 

[Gamerpalooza]

While I don't mind alola forms we have over 700 pokemon and they wont get to every non-legendary pokemon. Same with Z moves tackling the diverse set of attributes like giving a different Z-move to an electric/flying pokemon. They should have just mainstreamed IV's and focused on shiny pokemon instead.

Yet that's just me.

 

[Verrik]

Pokemon has actually done this before, just not to this extent. In the anime, when Ash and crew went to the Orange Islands, there were different varieties of the Pokemon they had encountered in Kanto (like, I think there were pink Butterfree and Ryhorn or something like that, look it up). Not to mention Delta Pokemon (which is basically what these Alolan variants are) was present in the Pokemon Card Games for a long time now.

Also, these new Alolan forms are just the Pokemon LITERALLY evolving to fit their surroundings.

So, no. I don't think they are copying off of Monster Rancher.

 

[SweetShark]

Ah... did I misread the Alola concept? I thought it was just that old pokemon have evolved differently in this games region, and thus are different in game, not that you can somehow influence the appearance by meta means.

No you got it right

honestly aside from different appearances I don't really see how they are similar concepts

It is the Meta way you bring your old Pokemons into the new game.
Just think The Pokemons like the CDs you put in the game, but in reverse:
In Monster Rancher, the Monster change base the Data in CD.
In Pokemon, the Monster change base the Data in the Game.

In other words what I am trying to say is this:

In the future, when a new Pokemon game come out [Heaven & Hell?], maybe you can change the new Pokemon in Alola types, by transfer them in the game Sun & Moon.

EDIT: I will update my explanation in OP for you.

I'm really confused as to what your point is here...

Are you trying to say that the Pokemon will change to the Alola forms if they're transferred to Sun and Moon? Because there is literally no evidence to support that.

Pokemon have had different location specific forms in the past (E.g. Gastrodon). And pretty much everything stated about Sun and Moon indicates that the forms will just be specific to Pokemon caught within the region. A Marowak transferred from X/Y/OR/AS will always remain as the original design.

I think my theory is correct about the specific way you can evolve a Pokemon into a Alola Form.
Byt yeah, we will see in the future about that.

 

[Igor-Rowan]

It's a possibility that the Alolan form Pokemon won't even have evolution chains. It wouldn't be the first time evolutions have been locked, and they haven't shown Alolan Cubone, Eggsecute, Persian, Pichu or Pikachu.

The japanes trailer showed regular Pikachu and and Cubone evolving into their evolved Alolan forms.

 

[Igor-Rowan]

Fair enough. I didn't see that trailer.

Do you have a link?

Here, skip to the 2:40 minute mark, it is the only thing it shows different from the one we saw

 

[SweetShark]

Fair enough. I didn't see that trailer.

Do you have a link?

*Video was here*
Here, skip to the 2:40 minute mark, it is the only thing it shows different from the one we saw

This prove my point.
If Nintendo are real businessmen, the developers will allow to have Alola Forms ONLY by buying the Pokemon Sun & Moon games.
Then in the future, in their new game, maybe an Island with only Death/Lovecraft Theme, they will do the same.
Lovecraftian Pikachu will be CUTE!!!