Something I've wondered about Dragon Ball

[DarklordKyo]

If memory serves, Android 17 & 18's cybernetic enhancements are actually at a cellular level. It's to the point where, to an extent, even calling them cyborgs isn't really as appropriate as something more akin to super soldiers (assuming memory serves that is).

That said, what does that say about Marron?, Krillin and 18's daughter. Think that it's possible she inherited those enhancements at a genetic level? (or, at least, some reasonable facsimile thereof). If Krillin trained her in Martial Arts, think it's possible she'd exceed her mother and uncle?

 

[PapaGreg096]

There is a strong possibility for that but whether or not Toriyama is going explore that concept is a bigger question.

 

[FalloutJack]

Well, if Krillin did it, she'd lose every fight. Now, her mother, on the other hand...

 

[Saelune]

I thought they wished Android 18 human or she was brought back to life as human or something.

 

[Leg End]

I thought they wished Android 18 human or she was brought back to life as human or something.

Nope. The process was so extensive and far done that it was beyond even Shenron's power to undo. He instead just wishes for all the dangerous shit inside of her to be gone which was within his power.

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[Saelune]

I thought they wished Android 18 human or she was brought back to life as human or something.

Nope. The process was so extensive and far done that it was beyond even Shenron's power to undo. He instead just wishes for all the dangerous shit inside of her to be gone which was within his power.

...I wish DBZ was better written and consistent. Shenron cant turn a robot human? Fucking really?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Same reason he can't bring Android 16 back to life

I jus chalk it up to magic being weird.

 

[Leg End]

...I wish DBZ was better written and consistent. Shenron cant turn a robot human? Fucking really?

Also can't bring back the dead if it's been too long or if they died of "natural causes". That's when you go hit up the homeboys on Namek for Porunga and see if he can do it. The rules changed as the Dragon Balls did over the course of the series as well.

 

[Kolby Jack]

I thought they wished Android 18 human or she was brought back to life as human or something.

Nope. The process was so extensive and far done that it was beyond even Shenron's power to undo. He instead just wishes for all the dangerous shit inside of her to be gone which was within his power.

...I wish DBZ was better written and consistent. Shenron cant turn a robot human? Fucking really?

One nice thing about Dragonball Super is that it has clarified or expanded on a lot of the stuff that was murky before. The gods have a very definitive hierarchy now and explicitly posses their own kind of ki which is almost impossible to sense as a mortal unless you obtain god ki of your own (like Goku and Vegeta have). Gods range from gods of planets like Kami and Dende to the kais (gods of creation) and gods of destruction who are interdependent on each other, all the way up to the King above All, Zenos, who can erase any or all universes with a thought. There are only 12 universes total, and each universe has a "sibling" so to speak that it is very similar to. The main Dragon Ball universe is universe 7, paired with Universe 6 which has its own versions of saiyans and Frieza's race. It even addresses the seeming incompetence of the gods of universe 7: Universe 7 is the second lowest ranked universe of the 12 because the gods are doing a really terrible job of running it.

Also, it explicitly makes clear that 17 and 18's power levels are not static, as 17 has returned to the cast and was shown to have grown a lot more powerful over time because he trained.

That said, it has done more to trivialize the dragon balls. Shenron is basically a joke now used to fix relatively minor issues. But now they have the SUPER dragon balls (which are the actual original dragon balls), created by the god of dragons that grant one wish of pretty much unlimited capability. The restriction is that they're the size of fucking planets, the dragon only understands the language of the gods, and the balls are spread across two different universes, so it's almost impossible for anyone other than a god to actually collect and use them, and so far only gods have.

Super has issues, sure, but I'm glad it's finally getting the lore straight after a lot of theories and crap got thrown around by fans.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

...I wish DBZ was better written and consistent. Shenron cant turn a robot human? Fucking really?

Myeah, Toriyama is imaginative, but not a good writer. There's several instances in the series where things happens because Toriyama forgot about a character, or an ability, or some earlier plot point.

Also can't bring back the dead if it's been too long or if they died of "natural causes". That's when you go hit up the homeboys on Namek for Porunga and see if he can do it. The rules changed as the Dragon Balls did over the course of the series as well.

Beside some basic rules (which as you said, changed over time), the Dragon Balls can (or can't) pretty much do whatever the writer needs them to, as befits a good get-out-of-jail-free card.

 

[Pseudonym]

It's possible but Marron doesn't seem to be written that way. She basically represents Krillins family life and not much more. The new kid on the block is clearly supposed to be Pan. Goten and Trunks might do something except that the writers seem to grasp at every straw to prevent them from actually doing something. Understandable since they don't make any sense and should never have been written into the Buu saga in the way they were but weird. Though all of this could easily change, like Gohan who was now a scholar and had magically lost all of his strenght, but then that was changed for no good reason.

One nice thing about Dragonball Super is that it has clarified or expanded on a lot of the stuff that was murky before. The gods have a very definitive hierarchy now

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Super has issues, sure, but I'm glad it's finally getting the lore straight after a lot of theories and crap got thrown around by fans.

I actually don't think that's a good thing. Dragon ball originally was about some people walking around a strange world walking into all kinds of adventures involving magic, ki, martial arts, superhuman strenght, shapeshifting and talking animals. It's lack of coherent lore was a side effect of it being fairly open ended. A new bizarre thing could happen around every corner or during every new match in the tournaments. This works best if we don't really know what is possible or to be expected as an audience.

There is also a long running tradition of Goku (and to a lesser extent the other charactars) doing what was thought to be impossible or what was entirely outside of our imagination. Having a well defined hierarchy of gods or coherent lore only detracts from that.

I can abide the specific hierarchy of Zeno, Beerus, Whiz and the others because they are reasonably well done but I don't see much advantages to having well defined lore and in the case of dragon ball, specific disadvantages. Lore is overrated anyway. The themetic parts of any given story are at least as important as its lore. Case in point, the consistent lore of DBS doesn't help it at all when the writers obviously don't remember who Tien or Gohan were and what made them interesting. Even in straight up simple lore things DBS gets things wrong. I think at one point Goku actually was hurt by a bullet.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

I think at one point Goku actually was hurt by a bullet.

He just got a little scuffed, but yeah, considering that even in base form the guy could take blows that would pulverize mountains, even that is kind of silly. Not as silly as ssj blue Goku getting mortally wounded by the puny laser weapon from a weedy minion tho. Seriously, if they can build weapons capable of wounding people at near-God of Destruction levels of power, what do they even need Freeza for?

Then again, DB Super's power scaling is a massive crapshoot. I understand that they want to give the non-Saiyan characters a turn in the spotlight, but it can get ridiculous i.e. Roshi.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Is Android 17 and 18 completely robotic?

Are they pure synthetic humans like the Major in Ghost in the Shell?

Were they always humans that were given cybernetics?

 

[Veldel]

17 and 18 are main fighters in the current arc of super. They have there infinite power supply and just never get tired allowing them to not hold back in the Tournament of Power.

 

[DarklordKyo]

Is Android 17 and 18 completely robotic?

Are they pure synthetic humans like the Major in Ghost in the Shell?

Were they always humans that were given cybernetics?

It was established at the beginning of the Buu Saga that 17 & 18 were previously fully human, but Gero "remodeled them a bit." Heck, it's to the point where Cyborg is a better translation, but they stuck to translating Jinzo Ningen as Android for consistency.

Also, Major Kusanagi isn't fully human. Someone in a cyberpunk world with some of her physical feats has to be enhanced in some way. Not to mention, if memory serves, a one shot character asked about if her body is accurate to a human's in "certain ways," and she jokingly asked if he wants to give it a test.

 

[DarklordKyo]

17 and 18 are main fighters in the current arc of super. They have there infinite power supply and just never get tired allowing them to not hold back in the Tournament of Power.

I know, the question was about the possibility of 18's daughter, Marron, possibly inheriting that infinite power genetically (since it was apparently an alteration done at a cellular level).

 

[DarklordKyo]

Well, if Krillin did it, she'd lose every fight. Now, her mother, on the other hand...

Except Krillin's actually a skilled martial artist, just held back by the rest of the multiverse being overpowered. Android 18, comparatively, is like a bear. She's extremely strong, but has little technique.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Is Android 17 and 18 completely robotic?

Are they pure synthetic humans like the Major in Ghost in the Shell?

Were they always humans that were given cybernetics?

Also, Major Kusanagi isn't fully human. Someone in a cyberpunk world with some of her physical feats has to be enhanced in some way. Not to mention, if memory serves, a one shot character asked about if her body is accurate to a human's in "certain ways," and she jokingly asked if he wants to give it a test.

Oh you mean this

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[DarklordKyo]

Oh you mean this

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[Canadamus Prime]

Well, if Krillin did it, she'd lose every fight. Now, her mother, on the other hand...

Krillin is often the butt of jokes, but he is actually an extremely skilled martial artist and is the most powerful human character in the cast. It's just he's outclassed by all the non-human characters in the cast.