Sonic Generations... Doesn't Suck?

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hazabaza1 said:
So how long until EternalNothingness jumps into this thread and starts bitching that Sonic wasn't an angsty anti-hero?
Actually, that's what I liked about Colours: after hearing from others (don't own a PS360) that the newer Sonic stories are trying and failing to be like Final Fantasy, Colours' silliness was actually really good. I mean, since Sonic isn't really 'cool' any more, he can at least stop trying so hard, and from what I've seen Sonic Team embraced that attitude a lot in Generations.

But, yeah, EN is basically a Nega-Sonic-Fanboy, except in that he's just as annoying as 'SONIC 2.5 OR IT AUTOMATICALLY SUCKS!!!!'
 

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I saw the Gametrailers review as well, and was equally shocked the game was actually decent. It's still nowhere near perfect, according to them, but above average is a huge step for Sonic.
 

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I'm surprised people are so surprised about this one. For as "off" as Colors might have felt, it was the first time this time of 3D platforming in a Sonic game was well-handled. Plus, even though I personally detest Sonic 4, the 2D (and) handheld Sonic titles range from above average to very good platformers.

Having said that, everyone I've talked to who has finished Generations mentions how short it is right off the bat, so I still don't think it deserves the full price it launched with.

1. Even though Sonic Generations doesn't suck, that doesn't excuse the fact that Sonic is still not up-to-par with Mario, and will never be no matter what Sega does with him!
That a fact? Because I can barely stand New Super Mario Bros, but I've had tons of fun with Advance, Rush Adventure and Colors DS.

Or are we talking 3D exclusively?
 

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hazabaza1 said:
So how long until EternalNothingness jumps into this thread and starts bitching that Sonic wasn't an angsty anti-hero?
Four posts after yours.

OP: I am picking it up today because I preordered. I'm excited, but hope it isn't incredibly short.
 

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Palademon said:
hazabaza1 said:
So how long until EternalNothingness jumps into this thread and starts bitching that Sonic wasn't an angsty anti-hero?
Four posts after yours.

OP: I am picking it up today because I preordered. I'm excited, but hope it isn't incredibly short.
Well, shit.
I was hoping he'd stay away.
 

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EternalNothingness said:
Rather, as I said before, I'm upset because of (a) the fact that Sonic will never be as good as Mario, even with Sonic Generations, and (b) the inevitability that Sega will just relapse and churn out shovelware with Sonic's name and face slapped on at the last minute again, like they did with Sonic '06.

It'd be nice to see Sonic portrayed as a person instead of a 90's caricature a la Poochie the Dog. However, it would be twice so if Sonic also either (a) stayed fast, (b) wasn't a broken, rushed, underdeveloped mess of a beta like Sonic '06 was, or best of all, (c) a balance of both.
Did anybody bring up Mario, first off?

Did anybody bring up Sonic 2006? Nope, nobody's brought it up since 2006. This is 2011. We have Sonic Unleashed, Colors, and Generations. I'm going to guess you haven't played any of them yet and aren't terribly up to date with... well, anything going on with the Sonic franchise. Like... seriously? Poochie the Dog? Have you actually heard Sonic's dialogue in... any games? If I had to draw a comparison, I'd make it to the wide-eyed, inoffensive blandness of Matthew Broderick before that.

But, whatever. We all know what this is really about. People are enjoying the character, and you can't stand seeing them like an interpretation of him that's not exactly yours, as if you had some kind of ownership over this IP (seriously, the way you talk about it borders on delusional), so you have to complain.

Can I ask a question? Why? Why do you feel the need to do this? You're obviously stupendously invested in this franchise but you have absolutely nothing but complaints. You hate the very core concepts that drive Sonic the Hedgehog, plain and simple. You aren't a purist, because you want a deep story with angst. You don't like Sonic Adventure 1 or 2, you don't like the new games that're coming out... was there ever anything about this character that you did like that justifies your obsessiveness over it?
 

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A sonic game that does not suck, interesting. Maybe not worth a full price purchase but I'll prob pick it up in a few months time.
 

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I went out and bought Sonic Generations not long ago because of this thread.

Thank You! :D ...i was doubting it and i wasnt gonna bother, but im really glad i went.

Its a good Sonic game! >.>
I cant see the blue moon for all these flying pigs!
 

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EternalNothingness said:
hazabaza1 said:
So how long until EternalNothingness jumps into this thread and starts bitching that Sonic wasn't an angsty anti-hero?
Not much.

Besides, I'm glad Sonic Generations is actually pretty good. But, I'm upset not because Sonic wasn't portrayed as a person in Sonic Generations, rather than an ancient byproduct of the 90's. Rather, as I said before, I'm upset because of (a) the fact that Sonic will never be as good as Mario, even with Sonic Generations, and (b) the inevitability that Sega will just relapse and churn out shovelware with Sonic's name and face slapped on at the last minute again, like they did with Sonic '06.

It'd be nice to see Sonic portrayed as a person instead of a 90's caricature a la Poochie the Dog. However, it would be twice so if Sonic also either (a) stayed fast, (b) wasn't a broken, rushed, underdeveloped mess of a beta like Sonic '06 was, or best of all, (c) a balance of both.
This is the thing, I don't get why you want Sonic to have a character. He's a t his best when he's being that lump of cheese from the ninties. They tried giving him character, and as Sonic 06 shows us, he's awful with it. And even if he does get a strong character in another game, nobody plays Sonic for the story, they play Sonic to go fast and jump on shit.

And that whole Mario V Sonic thing is all based on opinion anyway.
 

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NickCaligo42 said:
shrekfan246 said:
(Granted, I really liked Colors as well, but being on the Wii meant it had much less wide-spread exposure than Unleashed).
Yeah, every time people bring up how much recent Sonic games suck I kinda' have to sit there and wonder if they've been paying much attention. I actually really like Unleashed and Colors both. Generations sets the new bar for quality, though. It's a perfect balance between the styles of Genesis, Rush, and Adventure.
Most people who jump on bandwagons would consider me something of a sadist, because I've genuinely liked and had fun with every Sonic game except '06 (I haven't played the Storybook games though). Unleashed was on the fence for a long time because I absolutely loved the gameplay, but the level design was abysmal (though still better than '06). Dimps has done a great job with the handheld games, but Sonic 4 showed that they really weren't ready to develop a full-fledged Sonic Nostalgia-Off game, because it took far too much of what they put into the handhelds and not enough of what had been in the Genesis games to really be considered a continuation of the original games.

Colors, on the other hand, embraced the fact that Sonic doesn't do story too well and played with the concept of an absolutely silly, cartoon-y story for once that had Robotnik trying to pull off some hair-brained scheme for mind control and Sonic had to stop him. The gameplay had been refined from Unleashed and the level design was miles better, and the general game was fairly easy to increase replay value because the challenges you could give yourself actually made it quite hard.

Now, with Generations, Sonic Team took what Dimps did with Sonic 4 and fused it with whatever worked for the first three. Granted, the generational difference in consoles naturally means everything won't be perfect - I actually think "Classic" Sonic runs quite a bit faster than his Genesis counterpart, and as I mentioned in my first post his jump is lower and he falls faster. But, the level design accentuates this perfectly. There are a few hairy jumps to make, but nothing impossible with proper timing (just like in the originals) and Sonic actually controls rather well even at high speeds (both "Classic" and "Modern"). On the subject of Modern Sonic, Sonic Team has also finally realized that the 3D sections are best used to show off the speed that the engine can handle, and while there are a fair few 3D platforming sections, most of the time they're confined to the 2D sections and even when they aren't, the platforms don't require very much precision jumping (which has been a problem in most of the previous 3D Sonic games).

Looking back on that post, I'm not entirely sure why I felt compelled to actually type all of that out. I suppose I'm hoping to sway people who may be on the fence in the direction of actually buying this game so that Sonic Team gets into their heads what true fans actually want out of the games. I wouldn't say Sonic Generations is a perfect game, there are very few titles that would be able to garner that sort of praise, but Sonic Generations (take this statement for what you will) is definitely the best that the franchise has had ever since moving out of the Genesis days (again, coming from someone who liked all of the Dreamcast games and their Gamecube remakes, Unleashed/4/Colors).

Now the saddest part will be if they do indeed stumble with the next game and make another as bad as '06.
 

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krazykidd said:
Furrama said:
I'm sure most of you read Penny Arcade, so I was surprised to find a link to a Game Trailers review that actually said it not only didn't suck... it was actually good. Great-ish even. So I went and bought it for 50 bucks last night to see if it could be so. (My hopes weren't high. I've been hurt before.)

I haven't had so much fun in such a long time. I was a Genesis kid, I was a Dreamcast teenager, and if you were a SEGA kid this is YOUR nostalgia game. Finally. IT'S OUR TIME NOW NINTENDO KIDS! BAHAHAHAHAHA! (You guys have no idea how dead we've been inside....)

I was expecting the 2D to play the best, and it is awesome, but I'm actually finding the 3D to be the most fun. They don't punish you for going fast anymore! THEY ACTUALLY FIXED MOST OF 3D SONIC'S ISSUES. It is legitimately fun to speed boost through things. It is a little too easy to get good ranks, the boss fights could be better, and it is a bit short for your money, but it is way longer than the original Sonic games, (which I remember selling for 25-30 dollars back in the day, so make of that what you will). The design of the menus are slick, it handles amazingly well, there are multiple levels within levels, challenge modes, and the story isn't half bad either. Does its job, does it well.

Oh, and those annoying little side characters, (read: everyone who isn't Sonic or Tails), while in the game, are referenced but mostly passed over. That was probably a good move on their part, they don't bother the old school Sonic fans too much and they don't alienate the newer Sonic fans by not having them there. They do make fun of a few of the odder ones though, so that's fun.

If that doesn't convince you, perhaps this will: Sonic eats a chilly dog. IN A SONIC GAME.

I heartily recommend, go pick it up.

(Fingers crossed they add Oil Ocean Zone in on some DLC!)
Wait, there are new sonic fans? Really ? People are fans of the new shit? Really?
I know a guy whose favourite Sonic game is Sonic 06.
 

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EternalNothingness said:
Here are my two cents on this:

1. Even though Sonic Generations doesn't suck, that doesn't excuse the fact that Sonic is still not up-to-par with Mario, and will never be no matter what Sega does with him!

2. Eventually, Sega will relapse and start releasing bad Sonic games again, tarnishing everything they've regained with Sonic Generations! As soon as they develop the next Sonic game after Generations, they will end up introducing and overhyping to us newer, more awful characters and ideas to deliberately replace Sonic and his speed, just like when they did with Shadow's game and Sonic 2006!

So really, I have doubts about Sonic's future after Sonic Generations, and by doubts I mean heavy, gratuitous cynicism. I still can't let go of Sega's past sins with their own trademark mascot, and I feel that whatever bad happened in the past will repeat itself in the future, until it all spirals out of control and the only hope for Sonic is to just die and be replaced with a new, better mascot, like Shenmue's Ryo Hazuki for example.
So, Bioshock: Infinite probably won't suck, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Bioshock is still not up-to-par with Baldur's gate 2, and will never be, so Irrational Games should just go die for not making the best game in existence. In fact, unless it can make it in the top 10 games of all time, no game should be allowed to be made.

And Valve made Riccochet, so even though they've made great games since then, clearly we should judge Half Life 2 to be terrible because before that, they made riccochet. And as EternalNothingness says, "As all of us know here, it's not a character's past that matters, but rather his present-day actions" - but this clearly doesn't apply to anything but a character.

If more people in the gaming industry took this man as their advisor, maybe games today wouldn't be so terrible.
 

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Triforceformer said:
Furrama said:
If that doesn't convince you, perhaps this will: Sonic eats a chili dog. IN A SONIC GAME.
Sonic and the Black Knight did it first.
Yeah, but who really played that? I'm sure some people did, but not the older fans who would care about that sort of thing. I looked at the cover of that and said:

.... " No, that's okay."
 

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krazykidd said:
Furrama said:
I'm sure most of you read Penny Arcade, so I was surprised to find a link to a Game Trailers review that actually said it not only didn't suck... it was actually good. Great-ish even. So I went and bought it for 50 bucks last night to see if it could be so. (My hopes weren't high. I've been hurt before.)

I haven't had so much fun in such a long time. I was a Genesis kid, I was a Dreamcast teenager, and if you were a SEGA kid this is YOUR nostalgia game. Finally. IT'S OUR TIME NOW NINTENDO KIDS! BAHAHAHAHAHA! (You guys have no idea how dead we've been inside....)

I was expecting the 2D to play the best, and it is awesome, but I'm actually finding the 3D to be the most fun. They don't punish you for going fast anymore! THEY ACTUALLY FIXED MOST OF 3D SONIC'S ISSUES. It is legitimately fun to speed boost through things. It is a little too easy to get good ranks, the boss fights could be better, and it is a bit short for your money, but it is way longer than the original Sonic games, (which I remember selling for 25-30 dollars back in the day, so make of that what you will). The design of the menus are slick, it handles amazingly well, there are multiple levels within levels, challenge modes, and the story isn't half bad either. Does its job, does it well.

Oh, and those annoying little side characters, (read: everyone who isn't Sonic or Tails), while in the game, are referenced but mostly passed over. That was probably a good move on their part, they don't bother the old school Sonic fans too much and they don't alienate the newer Sonic fans by not having them there. They do make fun of a few of the odder ones though, so that's fun.

If that doesn't convince you, perhaps this will: Sonic eats a chilly dog. IN A SONIC GAME.

I heartily recommend, go pick it up.

(Fingers crossed they add Oil Ocean Zone in on some DLC!)
Wait, there are new sonic fans? Really ? People are fans of the new shit? Really?
The 4Kids children that grew up with the newer anime, they played a lot of the newer games and draw most of the fanart. I can't say we were much more discerning as kids ourselves, so I don't begrudge them.
 

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It's a pretty good game, overall. It's just too bad that it's so damn short. All things considered, there's also not a whole lot of content. It's a game for speedrun fans, for the most part - or for anyone who values run times over ring counts.

The controls *can* get a little sluggish in places and some of the more traditional 3D platforming elements break the pacing in a rather odd manner (the game expects you to go from Mach 5 to stopping dead to navigate a series of wobbly platforms at a crawl without much in the way of transition) but overall? This is still the best Sonic game in over a decade.

As to whether or not Sonic should be a person or a character, I'd say considerations of personhood are better off levied towards the comic series and cartoons. Sonic as a video game character doesn't need an ounce of depth. He, as someone else said, only needs to go really fast and to jump on shit.