Sonic Generations: Why is there not more cheering?

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Shoggoth2588 said:
It was released with little fanfare. Also, the 3DS version is either not out yet or, came out later. The 3DSs version alone would have been good news if it came out at the same time as or, before the console versions (opinion is personal). I hope to get it for a birthday or, other gift giving holiday. If not, It will be mine on the 3DS by 2-6-2012.

I actually asked my brother about it. He just turned 10 and he wants nothing to do with it. I can't blame him though, his favorite game was Sonic Team Heroes (I think) on the PS2. Not terrible but far, far, FAR away from the originals I had at his age (well, technically before but not being in a Sega household, I got some things later on) Of course, he hated Sonic Colors which was also apparently better than other modern Sonic games so I don't know how to take that.
Is he turned off by 2D gaming? I remember when I was his age and 3D games were all the rage. When I had my N64, I was always annoyed when I saw that a game played out in 2D, because my logic was- it's the N64, why can't they do it in 3D? Now I'm older and I know better, though.
 

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Palademon said:
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010
all terrible games as far as the gaming community is concernd...with the exception of the sonic rush games but i'm convinced they only reason they don't suck is because sega (at the time) couldn't figure out how to a 3D sonic on a handheld so decided to rehesh the old formula.
You mean, in your opinion. You'll be hard-pressed to find someone who genuinely hated Colours, and isn't just calling the grapes sour because he doesn't own a Wii.
no i'm going by sales and reviews. and when did i mention not owning a wii? stick to the topic. this about sonic games. don't try to turn it into a console flame war.
 

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lobster1077 said:
Good game, worst possible release date.
This. Over here at the Escapist, many of us are Elder Scrolls and Zelda fans. I'm definitely more of a Sonic fan than the former two, but I'm not too vocal about it since it ends up as everyone shouting at me that Sonic is a bad franchise and should just die.

I don't get it. Still, I'm definitely glad that Generations is great.
 

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meh so after 10 years a playable sonic game gets made. too little too late. sonic has gotten to the point where you can't just make a good sonic game to have people notice.
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010

What the hell people? To hell with your ideas of a playable Sonic game. 10 years my ass. There are about 2 and a half games where people almost unanimously agree on that sucked which I haven't listed for those reasons, and I still liked one of them.
all terrible games as far as the gaming community is concernd...with the exception of the sonic rush games but i'm convinced they only reason they don't suck is because sega (at the time) couldn't figure out how to a 3D sonic on a handheld so decided to rehesh the old formula.
Did you..jus-...Oooh hell no guys hold my Chaos Emerald, shits going down!

I don't know about Heroes, Rush, and Colours...But Adventure 2: Battle was awesome! Personally my favourite Sonic game, You had the Chao Garden, some awesome level designs, and possibly one of the most memorable songs to come from a level since the first Sonic with the Green Hill tune.


Plus didn't this game give us Shadow The Hedgehog? Possibly the most badass character since Knuckles?
okay i usally don't bother getting into fan wars but...shadow a badass? really? *sigh* we want to make sonic "edgy" lets make him black, and give him a gun...thats not just lazy, its borderline racist. plus he has no personality. he just acts like he's bored.

look man i like sonic. i grew up with him thats why i won't put up with the what he's become. i still remeber the good ole days.
 

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tofulove said:
Palademon said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
meh so after 10 years a playable sonic game gets made. too little too late. sonic has gotten to the point where you can't just make a good sonic game to have people notice.
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010

What the hell people? To hell with your ideas of a playable Sonic game. 10 years my ass. There are about 2 and a half games where people almost unanimously agree on that sucked which I haven't listed for those reasons, and I still liked one of them.
i owned all the games you listed, i wouldn't call them good as much as a call them playable
Indeed sir.

Although I keep feeling like everyone who keeps saying Sonic games have been horrible for a decade are either people who hated the idea of Sonic 3D in general, or people who just want to keep up a popular gaming joke.

sketch_zeppelin said:
all terrible games as far as the gaming community is concernd...with the exception of the sonic rush games but i'm convinced they only reason they don't suck is because sega (at the time) couldn't figure out how to a 3D sonic on a handheld so decided to rehesh the old formula.
Yep, all terrible. That's why Sonic Adventure 2: Battle was the most popular answer on the thread asking for people's favourite Sonic game.

Sonic Rush:
Review scores
1UP.com B+
GamePro 3.5 stars
GameSpot 8.2/10
GameSpy 3.5 stars
IGN 9/10
Nintendo Power 9.0

Sonic Heroes:
Review scores
GC PC PS2 Xbox
GameSpot 7.5/10 ? 6.2/10 7.0/10
IGN 8.0/10 7.0/10 6.9/10 7.2/10
Metacritic 72/100 66/100 64/100 73/100

Sonic Colours:
Review scores
1UP.com B+ (Wii)
Eurogamer 8/10 (Wii)
Famitsu 34/40 (Wii)
32/40 (DS)
Game Informer 7/10 (Wii)
8.5/10 (DS)
GameSpot 8/10 (Wii)
8/10 (DS)
GamesRadar 7/10 (Wii)
GameTrailers 6.4/10 (Wii)
7.9/10 (DS)
IGN 8.5/10 (Wii)
8.5/10 (DS)
Nintendo Power 9/10 (Wii)
7.5/10 (DS)
Official Nintendo Magazine 86% (Wii)
85% (DS)
Wired 7/10 (Wii)
 

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sketch_zeppelin said:
Palademon said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
meh so after 10 years a playable sonic game gets made. too little too late. sonic has gotten to the point where you can't just make a good sonic game to have people notice.
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010

What the hell people? To hell with your ideas of a playable Sonic game. 10 years my ass. There are about 2 and a half games where people almost unanimously agree on that sucked which I haven't listed for those reasons, and I still liked one of them.
all terrible games as far as the gaming community is concernd...with the exception of the sonic rush games but i'm convinced they only reason they don't suck is because sega (at the time) couldn't figure out how to a 3D sonic on a handheld so decided to rehesh the old formula.
I had nothing but fun with Sonic Adventure 2. People say the treasure hunting was aweful, but I feel it took a slight step up from Adventure 1 and more polish would have made it great. The shooting... was awful. But playing as Robotnik for a change was pretty cool. And the Sonic/Shadow stages were all fun as well. I know few people (that I've met) who will say they hated SA2.
Heroes... yeah. Glitchy and a lot less fun than the predecessors, but I blame the fact they wanted to make you play as three people as once. That was a bad choice.
Rush... meh. Got bored of those games quick.
Colors, it was pretty fucking sweet. A kids game, no doubt. But so is Kirby and I have fun with his games from time to time. Aside from going back over old levels, it was worth playing and Generations is pretty much just a more polished version of Colors.
 

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sketch_zeppelin said:
leet_x1337 said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
Palademon said:
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010
all terrible games as far as the gaming community is concernd...with the exception of the sonic rush games but i'm convinced they only reason they don't suck is because sega (at the time) couldn't figure out how to a 3D sonic on a handheld so decided to rehesh the old formula.
You mean, in your opinion. You'll be hard-pressed to find someone who genuinely hated Colours, and isn't just calling the grapes sour because he doesn't own a Wii.
no i'm going by sales and reviews. and when did i mention not owning a wii? stick to the topic. this about sonic games. don't try to turn it into a console flame war.
Well considering how Adventure 2 was originally released on the Dreamcast and got pretty good scores then since the Dreamcast died and it was ported over to the Gamecube as adventure 2 battle it did get lower scores because of that. but it still doesnt make it a bad game.
 

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Krion_Vark said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
leet_x1337 said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
Palademon said:
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010
all terrible games as far as the gaming community is concernd...with the exception of the sonic rush games but i'm convinced they only reason they don't suck is because sega (at the time) couldn't figure out how to a 3D sonic on a handheld so decided to rehesh the old formula.
You mean, in your opinion. You'll be hard-pressed to find someone who genuinely hated Colours, and isn't just calling the grapes sour because he doesn't own a Wii.
no i'm going by sales and reviews. and when did i mention not owning a wii? stick to the topic. this about sonic games. don't try to turn it into a console flame war.
Well considering how Adventure 2 was originally released on the Dreamcast and got pretty good scores then since the Dreamcast died and it was ported over to the Gamecube as adventure 2 battle it did get lower scores because of that. but it still doesnt make it a bad game.
...the good guy and bad guy campaigns are the same game with diffrent cut scenes (sonic and shadow, rouge and kunckles, and robotnick and tails all controled the same). i kinda liked rouge but shadow is a horrible character that becomes a borderline racist sterotype in the shadow the hedgehog game (he's "evil" sonic, he's black, has an uzi and drives around in a suv with dub wheels)...i had fun with the frist sonic adventure game but with the exception of the super sonic/super shadow finale, i found the game lazy and annoying.
 

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sketch_zeppelin said:
Krion_Vark said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
leet_x1337 said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
Palademon said:
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010
all terrible games as far as the gaming community is concernd...with the exception of the sonic rush games but i'm convinced they only reason they don't suck is because sega (at the time) couldn't figure out how to a 3D sonic on a handheld so decided to rehesh the old formula.
You mean, in your opinion. You'll be hard-pressed to find someone who genuinely hated Colours, and isn't just calling the grapes sour because he doesn't own a Wii.
no i'm going by sales and reviews. and when did i mention not owning a wii? stick to the topic. this about sonic games. don't try to turn it into a console flame war.
Well considering how Adventure 2 was originally released on the Dreamcast and got pretty good scores then since the Dreamcast died and it was ported over to the Gamecube as adventure 2 battle it did get lower scores because of that. but it still doesnt make it a bad game.
...the good guy and bad guy campaigns are the same game with diffrent cut scenes (sonic and shadow, rouge and kunckles, and robotnick and tails all controled the same). i kinda liked rouge but shadow is a horrible character that becomes a borderline racist sterotype in the shadow the hedgehog game (he's "evil" sonic, he's black, has an uzi and drives around in a suv with dub wheels)...i had fun with the first sonic adventure game but with the exception of the super sonic/super shadow finale, i found the game lazy and annoying.
2 things I have to point out.
1) Adventure didn't have Shadow in it. Adventure 2 did.
2) Never said anything about what Shadow became just what he was in Adventure. According to the story in Adventure 2 Shadow is actually a lot older than Sonic seeing as how he was created by Eggman's grandfather. Also if you paid attention to the story in Adventure he wasn't the "evil" Sonic. Also pay attention to the way each characters acts and talks because if you do Knuckles is a lot more racist than Shadow.
 

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There's not more cheering because it's just modern 3D Sonic (which sucks) and modern 2D Sonic (which sucks) with a classic Sonic skin over it.

And Colors sucked too. That game is god damn boring as hell. I also laughed when someone brought up the terrible Advance and Rush games.

Sonic is dead. SEGA just needs to stop trying already and let him rest in piece.
 

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Krion_Vark said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
Krion_Vark said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
leet_x1337 said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
Palademon said:
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010
all terrible games as far as the gaming community is concernd...with the exception of the sonic rush games but i'm convinced they only reason they don't suck is because sega (at the time) couldn't figure out how to a 3D sonic on a handheld so decided to rehesh the old formula.
You mean, in your opinion. You'll be hard-pressed to find someone who genuinely hated Colours, and isn't just calling the grapes sour because he doesn't own a Wii.
no i'm going by sales and reviews. and when did i mention not owning a wii? stick to the topic. this about sonic games. don't try to turn it into a console flame war.
Well considering how Adventure 2 was originally released on the Dreamcast and got pretty good scores then since the Dreamcast died and it was ported over to the Gamecube as adventure 2 battle it did get lower scores because of that. but it still doesnt make it a bad game.
...the good guy and bad guy campaigns are the same game with diffrent cut scenes (sonic and shadow, rouge and kunckles, and robotnick and tails all controled the same). i kinda liked rouge but shadow is a horrible character that becomes a borderline racist sterotype in the shadow the hedgehog game (he's "evil" sonic, he's black, has an uzi and drives around in a suv with dub wheels)...i had fun with the first sonic adventure game but with the exception of the super sonic/super shadow finale, i found the game lazy and annoying.
2 things I have to point out.
1) Adventure didn't have Shadow in it. Adventure 2 did.
2) Never said anything about what Shadow became just what he was in Adventure. According to the story in Adventure 2 Shadow is actually a lot older than Sonic seeing as how he was created by Eggman's grandfather. Also if you paid attention to the story in Adventure he wasn't the "evil" Sonic. Also pay attention to the way each characters acts and talks because if you do Knuckles is a lot more racist than Shadow.
1) i wasn't saying he was in adventure 1. i was saying i liked that game better than adventure 2.

2) yes but even if your just taking in account adventrue 2 then he's still a boring character. he's broodish and acts like he's too bored to care about anything and all technicallites aside he's sonics evil clone. yes you can argue that he was a preadisosor to sonic who was created by dr kintobor. but when the developers were coming up with a pitch for the game i garantee you it was "sonic fights his evil clone"

as for knuckles...no he just comes off as a guy on an island. yeah he has dreads but thats it.
 

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I looked it up out of curiosity and saw that it got 60 on metacritic with less than glowing reviews.

No point in wasting money on a sub par game when there are so many great ones coming out...
 

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To me it isn't a good game because to me, it just feels like they gave up. By having classic sonic by the new one, sega accepted he sucks instead of actually fixing him. while they have 2-d down, the 3-d looks the same as every 3-d game and that is not a good thing. I know Sega knows speed, they worked with Nintendo with F-zero, I just have no idea why they aren't stealing from it.
 

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sketch_zeppelin said:
leet_x1337 said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
Palademon said:
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010
all terrible games as far as the gaming community is concernd...with the exception of the sonic rush games but i'm convinced they only reason they don't suck is because sega (at the time) couldn't figure out how to a 3D sonic on a handheld so decided to rehesh the old formula.
You mean, in your opinion. You'll be hard-pressed to find someone who genuinely hated Colours, and isn't just calling the grapes sour because he doesn't own a Wii.
no i'm going by sales and reviews. and when did i mention not owning a wii? stick to the topic. this about sonic games. don't try to turn it into a console flame war.
The reviews all said both versions of Colours were good. The only bad review of the Wii version was by Jim Trolling of Destructoid. Also, the game sold 1.85 million copies[sup][sup][1][/sup][/sup] and got 78 and 8.4 from Metacritic. Tell me, how is that bad sales and reviews by any stretch?
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
I looked it up out of curiosity and saw that it got 60 on metacritic with less than glowing reviews.

No point in wasting money on a sub par game when there are so many great ones coming out...
What [http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/sonic-generations] were [http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/sonic-generations] you looking at? [http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/sonic-generations] Because it clearly wasn't any of the Sonic Generations Metacritic scores. (I can't put the 3DS score up yet on account of there only being one review at the moment (70/100), but handheld Sonic games rarely get anything below a 75 or so)
 

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PhunkyPhazon said:
xXxJessicaxXx said:
I looked it up out of curiosity and saw that it got 60 on metacritic with less than glowing reviews.

No point in wasting money on a sub par game when there are so many great ones coming out...
What [http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/sonic-generations] were [http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/sonic-generations] you looking at? [http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/sonic-generations] Because it clearly wasn't any of the Sonic Generations Metacritic scores. (I can't put the 3DS score up yet on account of there only being one review at the moment (70/100), but handheld Sonic games rarely get anything below a 75 or so)
I checked it earlier this month and it was 60 and all the reviews said it was mediocre so I didn't bother.

I dont trust IGN reviews because they get paid off.
 

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Palademon said:
tofulove said:
Palademon said:
sketch_zeppelin said:
meh so after 10 years a playable sonic game gets made. too little too late. sonic has gotten to the point where you can't just make a good sonic game to have people notice.
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - 2002
Sonic Heroes - 2004
Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure - 2005 and 2007
Sonic Colours - 2010

What the hell people? To hell with your ideas of a playable Sonic game. 10 years my ass. There are about 2 and a half games where people almost unanimously agree on that sucked which I haven't listed for those reasons, and I still liked one of them.
i owned all the games you listed, i wouldn't call them good as much as a call them playable
Indeed sir.

Although I keep feeling like everyone who keeps saying Sonic games have been horrible for a decade are either people who hated the idea of Sonic 3D in general, or people who just want to keep up a popular gaming joke.
I'm seriously starting to wonder if the people still hating on the franchise have even bothered playing a single one of them since Sonic 2006. Heck, just yesterday I saw a guy bashing the franchise...and then he went on to say that he had never played a single Sonic game in his life.

People, I understand that there were two or three games a few years back that got a bunch of terrible reviews. And there's certainly nothing wrong if you, the reader, didn't like some other ones too. But this blind hatred is getting silly, especially if you haven't even played any of the games you're bashing. As I'm going through this thread, I am noticing so many factually wrong statements about sales (Black Knight sold a ton of copies, and that got mixed reviews at best. Believe me, these games sell), reviews, general player opinions, development cycles, gameplay, there are so many people I could quote that I could turn this one post into an entire thread.

I know this sounds like it's coming from an angry fanboy, especially when you take my avatar into account. Am I an angry fanboy? Well, I'm certainly a Sonic fan whose getting really tired of all the irrational, blind hatred that completely ignores facts and statistics.

But I couldn't care less if you legitimately don't like Colors, Generations, or any of the other recent, well-reviewed Sonic titles. I disagree with you, but different strokes for different folks.
 

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sketch_zeppelin said:
look man i like sonic. i grew up with him thats why i won't put up with the what he's become. i still remeber the good ole days.
Come off your high horse; it's getting rheumatic! If you say that you want Sonic to give up everything good he's done in the last few years (and yes, he HAS had good games in the last few years) just to go with YOUR personal vision of the franchise...get some money, buy Sega and then you can do it. For now, if you actually were a fan of Sonic, you'd be grateful he exists at all rather than complaining ad nauseam that the new game isn't Sonic 2.5. If there's one thing I hate, it's people blinded by nostalgia - especially in Sonic's case.

And what's more, most of the friends only get bit-parts - you save them, you use them for one challenge, and you get to pound Shadow and Silver. And if you really still can't stand it, at least give Sonic Team some money to make a game that might potentially wind up being good and get a less biased friend to play Modern Sonic's half. Problem=solved.