I am so tired of this bullshit. I wanted to enjoy some Netflix while eating my lunch, or finally see online mode on MK9. But NOOO. Fucking hackers need to go jump off a cliff.
Sony finds "proof" Anon was involved in PSN hack
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You know the interesting thing about Anonymous is that they are Anonymous. Literally ANYONE could truthfully call themselves that so long as they never also reveal their true identities.
You seem to have forgotten the part when sony said it could very well be a decoy trying to frame them.
that seems kinda shady on sony's part. they won't go before congress but here's a note we found. I guess lying is ok if it isn't done in person. they haven't handled this well and it just seems mighty convenient to try and pass the buck to someone else. if only BP had an anonymous to blame for their screw up in the gulf...
Ooh funny that, I just got a random bill from a company that makes Guy Fawkes masks for ten thousand quid, so it must be Anon. Sherlock Holmes hasn't got shit on you, Sony. Your legal argument is as unassailable as your moral superiority in not telling us about this for a week.
This is the same as with the Stuxnet virus, the hacker plants files and faux-traces to mislead investigations. Its just spy-shit 101 (if that exists).
This doesn't fit Anonymous' style, which is just mass-scale DDoS attacks (seeing as they are not a quantifiable group), not a professional stunt like this.
This doesn't fit Anonymous' style, which is just mass-scale DDoS attacks (seeing as they are not a quantifiable group), not a professional stunt like this.
I wouldn't put the blame on Anonymous immedietly from that one file... oh wait. Nobody did.
Sony was just reporting their findings that the whole investigation had found and giving the timeline of how the events from the intrusion went. I see nothing interesting here that we didn't already know.
Sony was just reporting their findings that the whole investigation had found and giving the timeline of how the events from the intrusion went. I see nothing interesting here that we didn't already know.
As far as Anonymous' involvement or the nature of their organization, its conspiratorial enough where the only solution is to assume something along the lines of: Sony created anon years ago to establish a full blown organization and MO just so that they could use them to hack themselves, years later to embezzle/launder all sorts of cash that if done convincingly enough disprove's anon's involvement due to it being possibly not their style WHILE taking off suspicion of Sony. But now some of Anon is independent, some is still true to Sony, while another faction entirely has been working for Apple all along, not to mention that Sony is a shadow subsidiary of Microsoft and Microsoft was created by the first anon member, Wozniak, who built Bill Gates in his basement in order to exploit and point out the flaws of capitalism.
The problem is that invoking the name/label "Anonymous" (usually with a capital A) is that it's so ambiguous. You could be talking about a single person who isn't revealing their name, an organised anonymous group, or 4chan users.
Now, I think we can rule out 4chan users as a group in whole for this rather easily. The most subtle thing they could do as a collective group would be to order a load of pizza's to Sony's offices.
And the other 2, well nobody who's done this is gonna admit to who they are (as in, real name/identity). And anybody can pull out the whole "we are legion" phrase. Who wants to bet that some news outlet somewhere links this Anonymous the general 4chan group?
Now, I think we can rule out 4chan users as a group in whole for this rather easily. The most subtle thing they could do as a collective group would be to order a load of pizza's to Sony's offices.
And the other 2, well nobody who's done this is gonna admit to who they are (as in, real name/identity). And anybody can pull out the whole "we are legion" phrase. Who wants to bet that some news outlet somewhere links this Anonymous the general 4chan group?
This! Thank you. This whole No-True-Scotsman argument Anonymous uses is a cop out - either they police their own and organize, or they're legitimately 'everyone' and whatever crimes are done in their name reflect on them. If they keep insisting they are everyone, they'll soon find that that includes a lot of unsavory people.Generic Gamer said:
Wait, you mean we should... read the articles? I thought we should just get on Sony's case for stuff.Jonsbax said:
Does it really matter what organization does or doesn't claim responsibility? A person (or people) did this, and that person will be caught and punished. Idle speculation about what vague formless mishegas did what to whom doesn't do a lot.
Not only this, but the kind of hacking that had to be done to get into the PSN is very different -- and much more difficult -- than the kind of "hacking" that anonymous tends to do. Real hackers refer to them as "script kiddies," because what they do isn't really hacking at all. It's mostly DDOS attacks, which couldn't possibly have this result.AdumbroDeus said:
