Sony Provides Timeline of Attack Hinting at Anonymous' Involvement

[Phishfood]

I love how everyone is focusing on Anon because of one file. You know, because no-one else in the world can make a file called "anonymous" and type in "We are Legion" or anything like that. I mean, even doing it in a forum post you have full access to is incredibly difficult never mind hacking a remote server to do it. It would be way harder than stealing the entire database of 77M customer details or anything like that.

Ouch. I think I wore out my sarcasm gland.

 

[Darkgoosey666]

Goddam I despise the term "hacktivist".

thank christ someone else thinks that. now, lets just blame 4chan and be done with the whole situation.

 

[Valdus]

Wait, so preaching anti-censorship and freedom of speech means you won't be considered a suspect when a company you plan on "taking down" get's hacked and credit info stolen?

If I ever plan to rob a bank remind me to create a "freedom fighter" group first. That way no one will believe that I'd do it.

 

[JDKJ]

If it was or wasn't Anonymouse, that they ended up in the mix is still their own fault. If they hadn't "targeted" Sony and, instead, had focused their attention on popping acne pimples, getting laid, or whatever it is that angst-ridden teenagers should be doing, they wouldn't be in the line up of suspects. Serves them right. The Devil does find work for idle hands.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

It is possible that someone was trying to frame Anonymous... just saying. Also I don't want free stuff from Sony, I'd rather have a cash equivalent as I got rid of my PS3 but my information was still on the PSN.

I thought that too.

I thought it was out of the question because that's like... movie stuff going on there.

WHICH MAKES IT TOTALLY AWESOME THAT SOMEONE ELSE THINKS THIS!

I am now validated and I will, until we know the truth, totally believe that's what happened.

 

[Bernzz]

Why would Anonymous announce themselves in such a fashion? They could get into serious shit for this, if they could be found. Nah, it's so obvious to me that someone left that there to blame Anonymous. It's like, not even a very good way of placing blame. That's primary school shit right there.

 

[Antari]

Sony really isn't doing themselves any favors by guessing. Thats how they got themselves into this mess in the first place. Oh, I guess our security is good. If they were smart they'd report when they know without a shadow of doubt.

 

[brinvixen]

Sony Provides Timeline of Attack Hinting at Anonymous' Involvement

Sony's being pretty up-front about everything, and I'm finding it harder and harder to lay blame on them for this.

As for the Anonymous thing, yeah, it's likely not the "core" Anon folks doing this... but seriously people, wake the hell up.

Everyone that's riding Anon's jock keeps up with the, "They are everyone and no one and they have no structure and they're magic and Batman and they're not an organization." Okay, so if someone claiming to be Anonymous did this, how can you then assert they didn't?

Anonymous has no overseers. They have no accountability, no records, no rules. They don't have to answer to anyone. They have a loosely-defined "stick it to the man" philosophy, and tons of members of questionable ethical standing. They have no way to fact-check anything they claim, so they can just say what they want folks to believe is the truth, and everyone just has to swallow it.

They are Big Brother, far more than anyone like Sony.

So this issue at hand (Sony's problem) isn't about whether or not Anonymous did this at the moment. But Christ, quit defending them in a way that is inconsistent with everything you've said about them thus far.

I love when you show up on forums. I always seem to agree with whatever you say, and you articulate the thought so well.

And in other news: just enough of the Sony attacks. Aren't you all bored of repeating the same thing over and over? At least Sony didn't sit idly by (within a week, they called in THREE security teams). They're just as frustrated as you, and at least they aren't sitting around pissing and moaning. They're working hard for their customers, so let's not let ALL our loyalty slide so fast.

I'm just excited for the freebies once things are up and running again. Maybe they'll put some of the GOOD Rock Band songs down for no charge!

 

[Dastardly]

I love when you show up on forums. I always seem to agree with whatever you say, and you articulate the thought so well.

And in other news: just enough of the Sony attacks. Aren't you all bored of repeating the same thing over and over? At least Sony didn't sit idly by (within a week, they called in THREE security teams). They're just as frustrated as you, and at least they aren't sitting around pissing and moaning. They're working hard for their customers, so let's not let ALL our loyalty slide so fast.

I'm just excited for the freebies once things are up and running again. Maybe they'll put some of the GOOD Rock Band songs down for no charge!

Thanks! And I'm in agreement here, too. I've stopped chiming in on the Sony issue itself, but I felt that burning need (We all know it.) to chime in on this attempt to yet again tie Anonymous into the mix. I don't think enough can be said about how decidedly not-heroic they are.

About Sony, I was surprised to hear they'd hired three security forms, though. And so quickly, even. That's pretty damned thorough. I really have no loyalty toward Sony--I don't like what they do to MMOs, and I don't own any of their products--but it just gets harder and harder to blame them for this.

 

[faefrost]

Anon might be involved. If it is then I doubt they'd use any data they've obtained maliciously, it goes against their stated aims and will make them necessarily the bad guy. They could have deleted it all or used it for 'nefarious' purposes, we won't find out unless identity theft becomes even more common and that increase is confined to Sony customers. My point is that merely taking the data from Sony is enough to hurt Sony; only afterwards using that data for their own purposes then makes them the bad guy.

I never thought it was them though because the scope of this hack is well beyond anything else that has been attributed to the group. This hack was, to use a popular phrase, serious business.

When Anon announced, before all this, that they'd stop their attacks against Sony because they were inconveniencing the general user I thought them weak. The only way to hurt a company like Sony is to either destroy it, almost impossible, or make it a non-choice for consumers. So, if they thought they were Just in taking Sony on then to falter so early shows they weren't really committed at all.

Edit: Forgot to add, I still don't think this was Anon's work.

Ummm wow! and not just to this poster, but to a disturbingly large number on this thread who are declaring "It could not be anonymous!!! This goes against what they told us they stand for".

You all are trusting in the ethics of an unknown faceless group of "anonymous hackers, who get their rocks off hacking networks and stealing private data, because they swear to you that they don't use the data for evil purposes? That they are the good guys, the robin hoods of the interwebz, and (my personal favorite) data is supposed to be free? Really? You are giving these unknown people far more trust and credit than you would give to people you know. For no sane reason other than the story they are spewing sounds exciting and romantic. "FIGHT DA MAN!" You all do realize that that is just really really stupid? Right?

1. THEY ARE HACKERS
2. THEY STEAL DATA

That's all you need to know. There is pretty much no good, valid or ethical reason to go beyond that point and examine any claimed motivations for doing so. Nor is there any reason to ever extend them as a group, or any individual members should anyone ever figure out who they are, an ounce of trust. They are not fighting for you. The assorted posters around here. They cost you money and make things more inconvenient for you. There is no benefit to what they do for anyone reading here.

I'm not saying that anonymous is responsible for the Sony data breach. However they were stupid enough to if not do it themselves put themselves in a position to take the blame, largely because of their unethical and illegal actions. But egads folks. Championing a faceless hacker group on the internet because they swear that their mission statement says they are the good guys? What are you people, the same group that thinks Payday Lending and Rental Furniture are good ideas? Or simply people who eat too much lead paint?

 

[JDKJ]

Anon might be involved. If it is then I doubt they'd use any data they've obtained maliciously, it goes against their stated aims and will make them necessarily the bad guy. They could have deleted it all or used it for 'nefarious' purposes, we won't find out unless identity theft becomes even more common and that increase is confined to Sony customers. My point is that merely taking the data from Sony is enough to hurt Sony; only afterwards using that data for their own purposes then makes them the bad guy.

I never thought it was them though because the scope of this hack is well beyond anything else that has been attributed to the group. This hack was, to use a popular phrase, serious business.

When Anon announced, before all this, that they'd stop their attacks against Sony because they were inconveniencing the general user I thought them weak. The only way to hurt a company like Sony is to either destroy it, almost impossible, or make it a non-choice for consumers. So, if they thought they were Just in taking Sony on then to falter so early shows they weren't really committed at all.

Edit: Forgot to add, I still don't think this was Anon's work.

Ummm wow! and not just to this poster, but to a disturbingly large number on this thread who are declaring "It could not be anonymous!!! This goes against what they told us they stand for".

You all are trusting in the ethics of an unknown faceless group of "anonymous hackers, who get their rocks off hacking networks and stealing private data, because they swear to you that they don't use the data for evil purposes? That they are the good guys, the robin hoods of the interwebz, and (my personal favorite) data is supposed to be free? Really? You are giving these unknown people far more trust and credit than you would give to people you know. For no sane reason other than the story they are spewing sounds exciting and romantic. "FIGHT DA MAN!" You all do realize that that is just really really stupid? Right?

1. THEY ARE HACKERS
2. THEY STEAL DATA

That's all you need to know. There is pretty much no good, valid or ethical reason to go beyond that point and examine any claimed motivations for doing so. Nor is there any reason to ever extend them as a group, or any individual members should anyone ever figure out who they are, an ounce of trust. They are not fighting for you. The assorted posters around here. They cost you money and make things more inconvenient for you. There is no benefit to what they do for anyone reading here.

I'm not saying that anonymous is responsible for the Sony data breach. However they were stupid enough to if not do it themselves put themselves in a position to take the blame, largely because of their unethical and illegal actions. But egads folks. Championing a faceless hacker group on the internet because they swear that their mission statement says they are the good guys? What are you people, the same group that thinks Payday Lending and Rental Furniture are good ideas? Or simply people who eat too much lead paint?

Are you saying I shouldn't eat lead paint?!

*spits out mouthful of lead-laced paints chips*

 

[Azaraxzealot]

It is possible that someone was trying to frame Anonymous... just saying. Also I don't want free stuff from Sony, I'd rather have a cash equivalent as I got rid of my PS3 but my information was still on the PSN.

anonymous is evil, whether or not they were framed is irrelevant, they must still be prosecuted for their acts of terror.

 

[Carbo]

Anon might be involved. If it is then I doubt they'd use any data they've obtained maliciously, it goes against their stated aims and will make them necessarily the bad guy. They could have deleted it all or used it for 'nefarious' purposes, we won't find out unless identity theft becomes even more common and that increase is confined to Sony customers. My point is that merely taking the data from Sony is enough to hurt Sony; only afterwards using that data for their own purposes then makes them the bad guy.

I never thought it was them though because the scope of this hack is well beyond anything else that has been attributed to the group. This hack was, to use a popular phrase, serious business.

When Anon announced, before all this, that they'd stop their attacks against Sony because they were inconveniencing the general user I thought them weak. The only way to hurt a company like Sony is to either destroy it, almost impossible, or make it a non-choice for consumers. So, if they thought they were Just in taking Sony on then to falter so early shows they weren't really committed at all.

Edit: Forgot to add, I still don't think this was Anon's work.

Ummm wow! and not just to this poster, but to a disturbingly large number on this thread who are declaring "It could not be anonymous!!! This goes against what they told us they stand for".

You all are trusting in the ethics of an unknown faceless group of "anonymous hackers, who get their rocks off hacking networks and stealing private data, because they swear to you that they don't use the data for evil purposes? That they are the good guys, the robin hoods of the interwebz, and (my personal favorite) data is supposed to be free? Really? You are giving these unknown people far more trust and credit than you would give to people you know. For no sane reason other than the story they are spewing sounds exciting and romantic. "FIGHT DA MAN!" You all do realize that that is just really really stupid? Right?

1. THEY ARE HACKERS
2. THEY STEAL DATA

That's all you need to know. There is pretty much no good, valid or ethical reason to go beyond that point and examine any claimed motivations for doing so. Nor is there any reason to ever extend them as a group, or any individual members should anyone ever figure out who they are, an ounce of trust. They are not fighting for you. The assorted posters around here. They cost you money and make things more inconvenient for you. There is no benefit to what they do for anyone reading here.

I'm not saying that anonymous is responsible for the Sony data breach. However they were stupid enough to if not do it themselves put themselves in a position to take the blame, largely because of their unethical and illegal actions. But egads folks. Championing a faceless hacker group on the internet because they swear that their mission statement says they are the good guys? What are you people, the same group that thinks Payday Lending and Rental Furniture are good ideas? Or simply people who eat too much lead paint?

Because LOIC and babby's first DDoS script is totally "hacking".

Yeah, no.

 

[Aurgelmir]

Anon has no reason to steal credit card information from users. They are against Censorship and are sometimes doing stupid shit to prove that, but stealing personal data is not anti-censorship and I therefor could not believe Anon is involved.

How do you know?

What if they stole the numbers to prove how strong they are?

But I agree, it doesnt fit those online terrorists MO, so it was probably someone else... the whole thing is rather strange

 

[Nikolaz72]

Anon has no reason to steal credit card information from users. They are against Censorship and are sometimes doing stupid shit to prove that, but stealing personal data is not anti-censorship and I therefor could not believe Anon is involved.

How do you know?

What if they stole the numbers to prove how strong they are?

But I agree, it doesnt fit those online terrorists MO, so it was probably someone else... the whole thing is rather strange

It goes against what they stand for. I would be just as much against believing the United States becomming a Monarchy or a Dictatorship. the latter being more likely.

 

[Krion_Vark]

So according to the Welcome back package everyone gets 2 months of free PSN+ for some reason I am going to say that we aren't going to see all of that.

 

[EchetusXe]

Either:

a) An Anon did it to try and gain some kudos but quickly realized that nobody wanted this.
b) The hacker tried to frame Anonymous to throw investigators a red herring.
c) The hacker did it for some other reason but agreed with Anonymous' campaign/philosophy.

Of these 'a' is the best option.