Sony Servers Infiltrated Abroad, Twice

[gundamrx101]

This is true, but I don't think the ones who hacked Sony were doing it "for the people" any more than I think people like Geohots jail-broke the PS3 to steal personal information from PSN accounts. It's not a direct 'cause and effect' or 'action-reaction' thing I'm getting at. It's more like 'Six degrees of Keven Bacon'.

(this is really weird to read all this with Beiber staring at me on everyone's avatar....)

GeoHotz is a complicated case. On the one hand, I don't think there was any problem with him hacking his hardware, but then he distributed the security root key software to bypass everything. Whether he had good intentions or not is kind of overshadowed by the damage he did to his cause by releasing private, secured information that, in all likelyhood, GeoHotz had no right to distribute.

If that is the case with these hackers, then they've got a helluvah conspiracy.

This is EXACTLY what I'm on about: It's not about intentions it's about the natural progression of things. Geohotz wouldn't have tried to jailbreak the PS3 if Sony hadn't locked away all those features to begin with. There's no conspiracy at all (at least not in THIS case)
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And I also know what your talking about with the Bieber thing. Try re-orientating yourself by looking at your friend avatar list, it doesn't effect that.

Ah ha, except you know WHY Sony got rid of those other features? If you gues cluckeh the chicken, then I'd giggle. If your second guess was GeoHot then I owe you a bazaar full of health potions. He was using thos features to break into the PS3 in the first place, Sony got nervous and didn't want this kind of thing to happen so they removed it. Then this whole back and forth debacle happened and now hackers are after Sony for what GeoHot provoked them to do. Yet no one is mad at GeoNeo. And some people wondered why I wanted him sued to the moon.

 

[theultimateend]

Yes it is assholery but the thing is Sony wouldn't have been targeted if they hadn't tried to stop people from jail-breaking the PS3, or given them reason to. Once people started screwing around with the PS3, it was only a matter of time before someone used that knowledge maliciously.

Doesn't microsoft actively ban people for modding their systems?

I realize that's a step below lawsuit but really only Nintendo has taken a backseat to the issue (3DS not withstanding).

Seriously, Sony, get your act together.

I liken this response to a child ranting about how NASA can't do something easy like land a Mars Probe without issues.

Requires a deep ignorance of how difficult this sort of thing is to make it sound so easy.

Basically the only thing that keeps any server up is that they haven't pissed off the wrong people yet.

People need to realize that this isn't just a "gang of bored teenagers"

If you can tell us who it isn't, I assume you can tell us who it is. That's the more useful information and that which I'll be eagerly waiting on you to share.

If you can't tell us who it is, I assume you have no knowledge of who it isn't.

I can say with absolute certainty that it is not Frank Sinatra.

I'd be willing to bet it's not Obama either, it's certainly not John McCain, nor Oprah, and I'm about 80% sure it's not Richard Branson.

Since we are both just spit balling I'm going to guess that you could safely name 4-5 billion individual people and not hit more than one of the hackers if that.

But yes, teenager is a pretty big population pool.

Could we rule out senior citizens though? I think that's a safer bet and would cut out a very large group of people to investigate.

 

[Radelaide]

So is like the cool thing to do now?

Because if it is these people need to get a life and stop.

I was hacking Sony BEFORE it was cool.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

So is like the cool thing to do now?

Because if it is these people need to get a life and stop.

I was hacking Sony BEFORE it was cool.

Looks like they just ruined it for you now. Bastards!

 

[SinisterGehe]

These people need to fucking stop. It was never clever, cool, rebellious, or funny. It is dickish and pathetic.

"But sony is a big evil corporation that must be stopped from bringing happiness, entertainment and joy to people who like games and other devices that sony makes. Just and only because I do not like their ecil corporate ideals of greed... (Can't come up with any other). I don't care what others think or fell - let alone do I get them in to problems - because I am right with my ideals and you are always wrong."

Doesn't it go like that? It is either that or they just want to scam people for money/points/shits-n-skippelz.

I never agreed with any of this hacking shit, it is plain wrong - even to make a point. You achieve nothing if you fight nuclear weapons by detonating a nuclear weapon. They "wanted" to protect privacy - by exposing privacy of others. I am sure there is a logic of some kind...

 

[Uber Waddles]

These people need to fucking stop. It was never clever, cool, rebellious, or funny. It is dickish and pathetic.

Like how Sony changed is TOSA and EULA to take away a function they used to sell the product, then bricked your system if you tried to do it anyways?

Then made a big case over some kid finding a way to restore that functionality?

Do I think these attacks are wrong? Yes. But Sony had this coming to them. They started it, now they have to man up and take the gruff of it.

 

[JET1971]

The latest hacks most likely do not have anything to do with anon or any member, most likely a couple hackers saw that they were ionfiltrated and figured another sony service was vulnerable. thus 2 more sony servers proved to be vulnerable because obviously they got in. as is i think the latest hacks were simply 2 seperate hackers who recently graduated from script kiddies who deface PHPNuke sites who probably attack any company that has a breach to see if theres anymore unexploited.

Neither of those hacks had anything to do with PSN.

The phishing was obviously a fake site for the italian credit card company on the web server and I am sure quite a few italians recieved an email about changing passwords or some such common one like I get for FedEx daily(looked at the latest "FedEx System ticket 146645" and the ip it came from is "X-Originating-IP: [190.236.202.84]". whois search gives: "owner: Telefonica del Peru S.A.A.". I didnt know FedEx was from Peru???).

The second one was an attack on an internet provider Sony runs and was in search of personal information like the PSN attack, these happen quite often over a wide variety of companies and is kinda obvious it was a different hacker because this one used brute force while the PSN hack was sneaky and used an undisclosed security hole. differance is in an analogy.. brute force = somone with a sledge hammer breaking in the front door, the psn hacker = someone at the backdoor with a lockpick. the style of the hack is too different to even assume it may be the same hacker even if the information wanted may be the same kind of information.

 

[Corpse XxX]

I do believe this cause suits for us tracking them down, threading their anuses over a double barreled shotgun, aiming in such manners that i manage to shoot out both their eyeballs in one go..

These attacks are ridiculous..

 

[JET1971]

I do believe this cause suits for us tracking them down, threading their anuses over a double barreled shotgun, aiming in such manners that i manage to shoot out both their eyeballs in one go..

These attacks are ridiculous..

Good luck with that. you can start researching here: [link]http://datalossdb.org/[/link]

 

[Corpse XxX]

I do believe this cause suits for us tracking them down, threading their anuses over a double barreled shotgun, aiming in such manners that i manage to shoot out both their eyeballs in one go..

These attacks are ridiculous..

Good luck with that. you can start researching here: [link]http://datalossdb.org/[/link]

I wanna do the shooting, not the research.. They will never be found if im the one in charge of locating them.

 

[JET1971]

PSN and sony's recent hacks dont compare to Heartland Payment Systems. 130 million compared to 77 milion, so much for Sony being the largest breach the news claims...

[link]http://datalossdb.org/incidents/1518-malicious-software-hack-compromises-unknown-number-of-credit-cards-at-fifth-largest-credit-card-processor[/link]

 

[Eefness]

*sigh* They stopped making a point beyond the first two attacks. Now they are just being criminals. Attacking customers through the company to teach Sony a lesson in any sense of the word is faulty logic.

Side note if Sony gets majorly hurt because of these douche-bags, we all suffer. Guess who is one of the biggest software and hardware manufacturers, Sony. Guess who funds a WHOLE lot of awesome games, Sony. Guess who keeps that PSN network up and running, Sony. Im sorry but i dread the day Microsoft is in charge of more they they have, everything would be rushed out with buckets of bugs while they attempt to patch it for the next year and a half.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Yes kick a dog while its down, show the world how great and orignal a hacker you are by jumping on the bandwagon!

This really sucks for Sony customers. So long as these hacks continue the PSN will likely stay down. Sony isn't going to potentially let the same crud happen twice in a row after all. I just hope they squash these idiots quickly so the PSN can go up and these shenanigans can be over.

 

[Dogstile]

I still find this highly amusing.

Although now i'm laughing more at the people who are demanding the hackers stop, like they're expecting the hackers to listen.

Comedy gold

 

[Hamish Durie]

are you serious sony are you going to take this or lie down and beg for more as a sony coustermer i am demanding better security(I am pissed)

 

[JDKJ]

I can say with absolute certainty that it is not Frank Sinatra.

I'd be willing to bet it's not Obama either, it's certainly not John McCain, nor Oprah, and I'm about 80% sure it's not Richard Branson.

Since we are both just spit balling I'm going to guess that you could safely name 4-5 billion individual people and not hit more than one of the hackers if that.

But yes, teenager is a pretty big population pool.

Could we rule out senior citizens though? I think that's a safer bet and would cut out a very large group of people to investigate.

You prove my point. The poster knows with zero certainty who is and isn't responsible. As do you. Speculation and conjecture never make good substitutes for actual knowledge.

 

[Pendragon9]

Saw this earlier on twitter. Hilarious as an xbox owner.

Hackers: 6 Sony:0

oh boy, ANOTHER person who supports piracy and credit card fraud. Reported.

These people need to fucking stop. It was never clever, cool, rebellious, or funny. It is dickish and pathetic.

Like how Sony changed is TOSA and EULA to take away a function they used to sell the product, then bricked your system if you tried to do it anyways?

Then made a big case over some kid finding a way to restore that functionality?

Do I think these attacks are wrong? Yes. But Sony had this coming to them. They started it, now they have to man up and take the gruff of it.

You automatically lose a right to this argument since you support Nintendo doing this SAME EXACT thing on the 3DS.

Stop being a hypocrite.

 

[WilliamRLBaker]

Saw this earlier on twitter. Hilarious as an xbox owner.

Hackers: 6 Sony:0

Yeah, it's gonna be really hilarious when they get bored with Sony, right?

Microsoft has built up a ton of ill-will from the PC community, from constantly taking a dump on PC gaming. So, best of luck.

And since Xbox users, PAY for their online service, it's definitely worse for them.

except xbox live hasn't actually ever been hacked, and we xbox owners can be secure in the knowledge Microsoft actually went out of their way to get 256bit encrypted servers for account infromation instead of an apple II like sony did...