That's the problem with politics: incompetent people making decisions that are absolute and the democracy part... is just for the show.Otaku World Order said:
SOPA hearing yesterday: There are not enough /facepalms in the world
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Could we just murder a bad one instead? Would be the same net effect, surely, minus one bad one against plus one good one?Monsterfurby said:
Only downside is there's a hundred more goons ready to take the bad one's place. We sure as hell are NOT overstocked on good, thoughtful politicians.
In all seriousness, kudos to you sir, in an age when we can't get enough young people to even vote, it's great to know there's some trying to get genuinely involved.
Sure , younger politicians tend to get mocked, but then so do older ones.
At least you'll be capable of a sex scandal without pills
Not America in general, just the government, mainly because the old dudes think no one else knows anything and that they are the best at deciding what is right for the people they represent.[/quote]McNinja said:
Actually, America in general REALLY hates smart people. This is how those old dudes got into power. This is also why McCain/Palin was considered a viable ticket, Why Bush got elected (Among other things, Gore was deemed too intellectual), why Bachmann was considered viable for even a milisecond, etc.
Intelligence is bad. We carry our high school mentality of "NEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS!" Into the voting booth and shit on people whose IQ is higher than their shoe size.
Even Kerry was "too intellectual," and he wasn't even particularly BRIGHT! Our criteria for "too smart" is "can find Canadia on the map. And misspells it as 'Canada.'"
I don't think it's funny at all to be honest.
If this bill and the protect IP bill doesn't pass and gets buried under mountains of public disapproval I'm going to laugh about this till the cows come home, but at this point it's still a major threat to our freedom on the internet.
The fact that material that has no copyrighted material can be taken down just because universal media doesn't want it there scares the living daylights out of me because this can easily extend to those making videos expressing their opinion, the simple act of expressing our selves over websites like youtube will be controlled.
So as stupid as these people are, it's not a laughing matter just yet, not till this is put behind us.
But that's my opinion you don't have to share it.
If this bill and the protect IP bill doesn't pass and gets buried under mountains of public disapproval I'm going to laugh about this till the cows come home, but at this point it's still a major threat to our freedom on the internet.
The fact that material that has no copyrighted material can be taken down just because universal media doesn't want it there scares the living daylights out of me because this can easily extend to those making videos expressing their opinion, the simple act of expressing our selves over websites like youtube will be controlled.
So as stupid as these people are, it's not a laughing matter just yet, not till this is put behind us.
But that's my opinion you don't have to share it.
I've been thinking about this for a long time and honestly I think there's only one solution, there needs to be an armed uprising or revlution.
Yes it's extreme, yes it's over the top, and yes it will cause a huge series of problems, but you know what? If idiots in the US congress who know jack all about the internet and are jsut taking bribes to censor it by corporations who want to turn the country into an distopian police state oligarchy then it's time to stop messing aroung and get serious!
I can't do jack all because I'm in Canada and work part time and can barely afford my rent let alone a trip to the USA to organize and raise such an action so please everyone here, do this! This. Madness. Has. To. Stop!
I'm begging you, anyone with any amount of influence, get together and march tot he congress or anywhere, get peopel who keep saying "nothing passes in america, things will just keep delaying until it passes into obscurity" to open theri eyes and admit that they don't know everything about the government.
Please, I want to do something but I'm powerless here, I'm stuck in Canada, show those idiots that we can stop them, do whatever it takes! WHATEVER IT TAKES!
Yes it's extreme, yes it's over the top, and yes it will cause a huge series of problems, but you know what? If idiots in the US congress who know jack all about the internet and are jsut taking bribes to censor it by corporations who want to turn the country into an distopian police state oligarchy then it's time to stop messing aroung and get serious!
I can't do jack all because I'm in Canada and work part time and can barely afford my rent let alone a trip to the USA to organize and raise such an action so please everyone here, do this! This. Madness. Has. To. Stop!
I'm begging you, anyone with any amount of influence, get together and march tot he congress or anywhere, get peopel who keep saying "nothing passes in america, things will just keep delaying until it passes into obscurity" to open theri eyes and admit that they don't know everything about the government.
Please, I want to do something but I'm powerless here, I'm stuck in Canada, show those idiots that we can stop them, do whatever it takes! WHATEVER IT TAKES!
If only such concern was actually leveled at concern for the provisions within the military commissions act which will violate both the sixth amendment and the posse comitatus act.UrieHusky said:
It's like if it doesn't threaten Youtube, nobody cares.
And if it does pass (God forbid), here's an appropriate paraphrasing: "Well done you miserable old FUCKS!"marioandsonic said:
While I'm normally not a big fan of politics (due to my policy of "don't trust anyone in a position of power")... if I have to vote to avoid these acts from coming to pass, then so be it. Besides, my folks keep telling me I should at least get more involved...Monsterfurby said:
Personally, I'm all for this. Either that, or leaving the country. Yeah, it might be an overreaction, but hell if I care...Firerush said:
That concerns me far more, believe me.Zachary Amaranth said:
But I'm not in america so there's nothing I can do about any of these things, still, I'm not sure why SOPA is getting so much more attention than a more physical limitation of freedom but hey, I gave up on trying to understand humanity long ago.
It does piss me off even though I', not from USA. Lots of awesome reviewers that live in America (TGWTG, Spoony, Angry Joe etc) will lose their jobs. And it's actually frightening to see how government can do this even though everyone opposes this bill. Kinda makes you think we're getting closer to the Big Brother regime.
Didn't Obama veto that? Or say he would? That's why I haven't been following it as muhc, I thought he had it covered.Zachary Amaranth said:
Or did he change his stance on that?
They did, but then they quietly announced that the markup resumes one the 21st, when most will most likely be busy with family on the holidays.Robert Ewing said:
It's not so much whether it concerns you or whether you can do anything, it's the fact that this is getting buried under a major pile of unpopularity while the MCA 2012 is getting almost ignored.UrieHusky said:
I know why one is more popular. One deals with the internet, and the other deals with human rights. In that competition, internet wins.
Not following it is kind of the problem in the first place.Irridium said:
You see, Obama vowed to veto it based on the fact that it stepped on the powers of the Executive branch, not because of the "detainment without trial" clause, nor the "this means Americans, too" clause.
So he didn't even really change his stance. He vowed to veto it, they changed the part he objected to, and now he's withdrawn his objections and the problems still remain.
He was outraged because it impacted him, not because human rights are at stake.
Zachary Amaranth said:Not following it is kind of the problem in the first place.
You see, Obama vowed to veto it based on the fact that it stepped on the powers of the Executive branch, not because of the "detainment without trial" clause, nor the "this means Americans, too" clause.
So he didn't even really change his stance. He vowed to veto it, they changed the part he objected to, and now he's withdrawn his objections and the problems still remain.
He was outraged because it impacted him, not because human rights are at stake.
I don't know what's worse. The fact that this actually happened or the fact that I don't find it too surprising.
Correction, it's a republic, which is both a curse and a blessing. If it were a democracy it would come to a referendum, like the Republic of Ireland (which is pretty counter-intuitive when you think about it).HerbertTheHamster said:
OT: Unfortunately it seems like this will actually happen, one way of the other. If it fails, then then most of them will back Protect IP. If that fails then a barely amended version of this will come back. If that fails then a barely amended version of PIPA will come back, and so on and so on. Best hope, something else comes along the fascists will want to ruin.
Does one say, "SOPA: It'll clean the internet"? If not, what the hell? They're missing out an easy one.lunncal said:
This [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVVbVCAncLM] is what I imagine will happen if this passes. (From the beginning of the video, to about 20ish seconds.)
I'd say the latter, but maybe that's just me. That this sort of thing has happened enough to make it commonplace is far more horrible to me.Irridium said:
A shame Obama isn't that hardcore lefty the Republicans were foaming at the mouth about. Instead, we get a guy continuing Bush-era policies of bailouts, socialism for the rich (and only the rich), erosion of freedoms (and the document the President is sword to protect specifically), etc. Hell, even his health care proposals were based on those of such liberal thinkers as Mitt Romney and Bob Dole.
Corporate run government is exactly what the Occupy movement was trying to fight peacefully. They went about it all wrong though, they didn't have a leader so there was no one to negotiate with on behalf of the group. They should have taken a hint from the Civil Rights movements and had someone like MLK to lead them. With no one to take the fall for them, police just started arresting protesters.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
When I said riots, I didn't mean the Occupy movement I meant something like Vancouver where they turned over cars and set fire to them. If non-violence ain't working, there's always violence =P