I mean, after having two of your bills labeled "WORST THING EVAR" by the entity they affect and then having them struck down a little faster than anyone anticipated, this is no longer well-meaning ignorance. There's something very creepy about this now...
FUCK IT, I'M DONE. I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GIVING UP. TAKE MY BLOOD FOR ALL I CARE.
Every damn DAY there's some new bill out. It's a goddamn hydra and I'm done with it. There's only so many times I can vote up some petition or give some link the thumbs up, I'm sick and I'm tired and I'm done. Call me when you need someone to hold up a sign at a rally or something, that's about the only meaningful thing left to do.
I find I'm more disgusted by the way this bill is being presented then the actual content. I'm not that worried that mean old mister government knows that I buy books and things on amazon, visit this site regularly, and sometimes view "mature content". besides I leave no evidence of my crimes so they have no reason to look at what I view anyway. What agitates me is that they are using the sexual exploitation of children to stoke the fires of fear in people to get this passed.
what I'm saying is if they called it the "IP information retainment act" or something I could respect that.
I mean, after having two of your bills labeled "WORST THING EVAR" by the entity they affect and then having them struck down a little faster than anyone anticipated, this is no longer well-meaning ignorance. There's something very creepy about this now...
You...Ummm...You do understand that this bill is almost a year old, and as such predates the shutdown of SOPA and PIPA, right? You also realise Smith was not behind both SOPA AND PIPA, since one is a House bill and the other a Senate bill, right?
I mean, after having two of your bills labeled "WORST THING EVAR" by the entity they affect and then having them struck down a little faster than anyone anticipated, this is no longer well-meaning ignorance. There's something very creepy about this now...
You...Ummm...You do understand that this bill is almost a year old, and as such predates the shutdown of SOPA and PIPA, right? You also realise Smith was not behind both SOPA AND PIPA, since one is a House bill and the other a Senate bill, right?
Oh one of THESE threads again. Hooray! I swear the internet has fucking become a modern day Chicken Little lately. Give it a rest people. These bills haven't had a shred of a chance of sticking since they started flinging them at the wall like a monkey flinging it's own crap.
Never mind being passed into law, when one of these bills actually passes a vote in either the house or senate THEN it might be time to begin to think about worrying. As it stands right now none of them have even made it as far as to be put up for a vote. Yet the internet collectively runs around screaming about the end of days. The internet as a whole is in desperate need of some perspective.
I like the internet as much as the next person and these bills would be pretty horrible IF they had a chance of passing. They don't though! Like every other fucking bill before them this is just lip service to the entertainment lobbyists. Life is too god damned short to be walking around constantly looking for the next fucking boogey man that's going to "destroy the internet".
FUCK IT, I'M DONE. I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GIVING UP. TAKE MY BLOOD FOR ALL I CARE.
Every damn DAY there's some new bill out. It's a goddamn hydra and I'm done with it. There's only so many times I can vote up some petition or give some link the thumbs up, I'm sick and I'm tired and I'm done. Call me when you need someone to hold up a sign at a rally or something, that's about the only meaningful thing left to do.
Likewise... I just can't keep fighting like this. When the time comes to have a rally or march or something then I'll be there sign in hand. It's like you said, it's a fucking hydra and I can only cut off so many head's before I lose steam. I know it's what those bastards want and I know I shouldn't give up but at this point, I don't care, I'll wait for a rally or something.
Are you kidding? Seriously, what is your problem? Pack up your bag of "research", "information" and "level-headed reason" and gtfo out of here. This thread is for unnecessary panicking and we don' like yer kind 'round 'ere. (Seriously though, this thread is starting to prove that most people don't even bother reading past the first post)
FUCK IT, I'M DONE. I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GIVING UP. TAKE MY BLOOD FOR ALL I CARE.
Every damn DAY there's some new bill out. It's a goddamn hydra and I'm done with it. There's only so many times I can vote up some petition or give some link the thumbs up, I'm sick and I'm tired and I'm done. Call me when you need someone to hold up a sign at a rally or something, that's about the only meaningful thing left to do.
Likewise... I just can't keep fighting like this. When the time comes to have a rally or march or something then I'll be there sign in hand. It's like you said, it's a fucking hydra and I can only cut off so many head's before I lose steam. I know it's what those bastards want and I know I shouldn't give up but at this point, I don't care, I'll wait for a rally or something.
Someone really should organize one. Because that's what we're getting to now: forty years ago, we had the civil rights movement. It's time we start up the information rights movement.
As Aidinthel (post #7) pointed out, there's really only one important section (#4), and if you read carefully you'll learn the only thing that companies will be keeping track of is your IP address, something that internet providers most likely do anyway. This isn't SOPA; it's merely a bill to enforce internet providers to keep track of their stuff.
I strongly advise anyone who is concerned to read the bill before freaking out. It isn't very long and only section 4 is relevant to the internet anyway.
SEC. 4. RETENTION OF CERTAIN RECORDS BY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION SERVICE PROVIDERS.
(a) In General- Section 2703 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
'(h) Retention of Certain Records- '(1) A commercial provider of an electronic communication service shall retain for a period of at least one year a log of the temporarily assigned network addresses the provider assigns to a subscriber to or customer of such service that enables the identification of the corresponding customer or subscriber information under subsection (c)(2) of this section.
'(2) Access to a record or information required to be retained under this subsection may not be compelled by any person or other entity that is not a governmental entity.
'(3) The Attorney General shall make a study to determine the costs associated with compliance by providers with the requirement of paragraph (1). Such study shall include an assessment of all the types of costs, including for hardware, software, and personnel that are involved. Not later than 2 years after the date of the enactment of this paragraph, the Attorney General shall report to Congress the results of that study.
'(4) In this subsection--
'(A) the term 'commercial provider' means a provider of electronic communication service that offers Internet access capability for a fee to the public or to such classes of users as to be effectively available to the public, regardless of the facilities used; and
'(B) the term 'Internet' has the same meaning given that term in section 230(f) of the Communications Act of 1934.'.
(b) Sense of Congress- It is the sense of Congress--
(1) to encourage electronic communication service providers to give prompt notice to their customers in the event of a breach of the data retained pursuant to section 2703(h) of title 18 of the United States Code, in order that those effected can take the necessary steps to protect themselves from potential misuse of private information; and
(2) that records retained pursuant to section 2703(h) of title 18, United States Code, should be stored securely to protect customer privacy and prevent against breaches of the records.
(c) Transition Rule- The amendment made by this section shall not apply until 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act to a provider of an electronic communications service that does not, on that date of enactment, have in effect a system of retention of records that complies with the requirements of that amendment.
(d) Study-
(1) The Attorney General, not later than 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act, shall complete a study of providers affected by section 2703(h) of title 18, United States Code.
(2) Such study shall include--
(A) the privacy standards and considerations implemented by those providers as they comply with the requirements of section 2703(h); and
(B) the frequency of any reported breaches of data retained pursuant to section 2703(h).
(3) The Attorney General shall, upon the completion of the study, report the results of the study to Congress.
(Emphasis mine)
So they're required keep a record of your IP address. Not your internet activity. As for name, address, bank account and credit card numbers: they're your ISP. They already have all that because you pay them for internet service. And if they don't then this bill will not require them to obtain it.
And then I read Section 2703 of title 18 (which this is an amendment to) and discovered that the government needs a court order to access the information, just like all the other records a company keeps.
Excuse me while I find something worth getting upset about, because this has been very disappointing on that front.
Hey! Who do you think you are, bringing facts and reasonable opinion to a debate. This is the internet, WHERE EVERY BILL MUST BE MET WITH ALL CAPS AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO SAY HOW IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT AND OH MY GOD 1984 WAS RIGHT JUST OFF A LITTLE BIT!!!!!!!!!!!! THE END IS NIGH!!!! REPENT! REPENT!!!
And honestly, sometimes The Escapist really pisses me off. With the almost deification of Anon as badasses who can do anything, to the freakout threads like this full of people who only skim the half-truths in the post and go off of the (misleading) title.....sometimes it's just too much
If Chicken Little had a Twitter account, the whole "The Sky Is Falling!" thing would have been retweeted several billion times and gotten half the internet to take it as fact.
While this bill is pretty much overhyped to the point of outright lies, if you "can't keep fighting like this," you're affording the inevitability that something like SOPA will pass. Because as people decide their liberties are "too hard" to fight for, it will get to the point where there are no rallies or protests worth mentioning.
'Course, I don't really care if you protest this bill, as you can probably guess by the intro sentence of the prior paragraph.
LetalisK said:
Are you kidding? Seriously, what is your problem? Pack up your bag of "research", "information" and "level-headed reason" and gtfo out of here. This thread is for unnecessary panicking and we don' like yer kind 'round 'ere. (Seriously though, this thread is starting to prove that most people don't even bother reading past the first post)
By "here," you mean the internet, right? Because this is pretty much the same thing on every freaking website out there. Logic has no place on the web, it seems.
Worse still, while we see serious panic over trivial bills, the next time there's a real threat (Though SOPA was kind of overhyped as well), people will have become bored with self-righteous outrage and panic and will have moved on to other things.
I think a lot of you are overreacting. I just read the bill and it doesn't seem to entail the same problems that SOPA did. It doesn't give companies or the government the right to take down your website for some copyrighted material that under current laws you have the right to use. This law is dealing with something that is already a crime, and not only that it doesn't sound like it gives the government too much power to deal with the information that is collected.
'(1) A commercial provider of an electronic communication service shall retain for a period of at least one year a log of the temporarily assigned network addresses the provider assigns to a subscriber to or customer of such service that enables the identification of the corresponding customer or subscriber information under subsection (c)(2) of this section.
This bill is stupid, but not for the reasons it will be fought. It will be a waste of time and a minor attack on privacy to come up with very little information to stop child pornographers. It could be useful in other kinds of cases, but not for fighting child pornography. Essentially, it seems like they are requiring your ISP to monitor you in the same way telephone service providers have to monitor your calls. It will not stop the vast majority of child pornographers from doing what they do, as they use certain methods to keep themselves from being monitored in the way this bill will monitor them. It really isn't as bad as some people are saying it is, but it will probably not wind up being that useful in the long run.
Edit- When I say this bill is stupid, I mean it could never accomplish its goal. If they renamed it to something more along the lines of what it would actually do, which is to create another source of information for authorities to use to track down criminals under investigation, that would make it all cool with me.
Sums up this thread nicely.
And might I add, that jumping to conclusions based on ignorance and what other people have said, and judging things without all information present is exactly what our opponents do with real threats like SOPA. You're doing the same things they are when they grandstand about protecting this and that.
The original bill was introduced in May 2011, and it requires ISPs to keep IP address records for 18 months. The idea is that when someone downloads child porn, they can trace the IP address to exactly who had leased it at the time and catch them. We'll ignore, for now, that it also requires them to store your name, the address where you live, your bank account numbers, and your credit card numbers [http://ipowerproject.com/forum/topics/pcipa-and-acta-the-next-pipa-and-sopa-the-bills-we-really-need-to].
I don't know about the new bill.
But the old one... what's the problem? There's no issue with privacy. They have to keep something you already gave them, for longer than before. So that the police can do what they already have the right to do. I'm ok with it.
If they add SOPA stuff in it, that's another thing. But I can't object to the few lines summery from the OP.
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