South Australian AG want to scrap MA15+ rating

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"When current South Australian Attorney-General John Rau took over from his predecessor--known anti-R18+ campaigner Michael Atkinson--in March this year, Aussie gamers breathed a sigh of relief. Although Rau was quick to deny a pro-R18+ stance, the minister remained neutral on the subject, giving gamers hope that Rau would eventually state a positive viewpoint. Rau kept his neutrality right up until last Friday's Standing Committee of Attorneys-General meeting, when he told GameSpot AU that he was keeping an open mind. The minister said he was concerned about two areas to do with the introduction of an R18+ classification for video games in Australia: what will happen to games that have been refused classification if R18+ is introduced; and the re-evaluation of the MA15+ category.

Although the nation's attorneys-general decided to draft preliminary guidelines for the introduction of R18+ for games during last Friday's SCAG meeting, it appears Rau is still concerned about the future of the MA15+ category should R18+ be introduced. Speaking to the Adelaide Advertiser yesterday, Rau said he wants to scrap the MA15+ category altogether, saying its scrapping will better inform parents and provide a clear delineation between video games made for kids and those made for adults.

Now, speaking to GameSpot AU, Rau says he raised the proposal of scrapping MA15+ at the SCAG meeting last Friday and was greeted with a generally positive reaction.

"They [the other attorneys-general] were certainly interested in considering it," Rau said. "But look, it has to be seen in context. The agreement at SCAG last week was that the categories [R18+, MA15+, and RC] are going to be reviewed anyway because the descriptions applicable to film in the National Classification Scheme aren't applicable to gaming.

"My reason for wanting to get rid of MA15+ if an R18+ is passed is that it will provide a crisper delineation between adults-only games and games that are for children. I want to force game manufactures to make a decision about who they are marketing to: if it is adults, their games will be rated R18+; if it is children, then they will have to ensure that their games are sufficiently pruned back to make it into the M category. The whole point of this is to force manufacturers to make a choice in their own heads: are they marketing to kids or to adults?"

According to Rau, the current MA15+ category is a bridging category--a grey area that would be exploited if an R18+ classification were to be introduced. Rau says whether a game would be classified MA15+ or R18+ would be a matter of interpretation, which is why MA15+ needs to be scrapped.

"If we introduce R18+ for games, it should be very clear and very different from the other categories. There are a lot of games now in the MA15+ category that should be rated R18+; I do not want to see these games continue to be rated MA15+. Parents should have a clear guide about what games are suitable for kids and what games are not. Besides, if the latest surveys about the average gamer being a 32-year-old single male who sits at home and plays games all day are correct, then what I am proposing is not going to have much impact at all," he said.

When asked about the subtle differences in games as well as the significant changes in mental capacity from 15 to 18-year-olds, Rau insisted that his proposal is still just an idea at this stage, and that he will need to see the proposed guidelines on R18+ before he can make a decision on whether to pursue his line of reasoning.

"If the guidelines prove to have a clear gap between what kids will be able to access and what will be available in the R18+ category, then my purpose will have been achieved. If there continues to be a continuum between the classifications then my problem will still be there and I'll continue to push for it to be addressed. Again, if MA15+ comes out of the mix altogether, I think parents will have a clearer idea what games are for children, and what games are for adults. That is my ultimate goal."

Asked whether he would be appeased by Federal Minister of Home Affairs Brendan O'Connor's proposal to reclassify MA15+ games into R18+ if the latter is introduced, Rau seemed optimistic.

"Look, I know we're not creating a watertight situation here; we never will. But I think it is our job to influence what is going on at the retail level and support responsible parents in their decision-making. Brendan O'Connor wants to reclassify MA15+ games for exactly the same reason that I want to abolish the MA15+ category altogether: namely that MA15+ is a dangerous classification. I'm willing to consider what is being put on the table of course, but my bottom line is that I don't want there to be a seamless continuum from G to R18+. I'd like to see a big gap between the M classification and the R18+ classification should it be introduced."

Source: http://au.gamespot.com/news/6285360.html?tag=latestheadlines%3Btitle%3B2
 

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I think Attorney-General is a pretty cool guy.

It's good to see someone in that position who seems to know what they're doing.
 

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Certainly an interesting idea, with some solid logic behind it, is there any games that should stay in that zone? I can't think of anything at the moment that could stay in that zone, depends on how you look at whats appropriate I guess. (and whether or not you're currently underage, see first post.)
 

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It sounds pretty reasonable as long as R18+ isn't just rebranded MA15+ with exactly the same silly bollocks restrictions. It's also nice to have an AG in South Australia who doesn't go "NOOOOO, you'll corrupt children and gamers are more dangerous than bikers!"
 

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Makes sense, though I'm of the opinion that what works best in a childrens category (0-12), then a teen category (13+) and then adult (18+). Going by absolute adult/children classifications is bound to only cause trouble in the long run!
 

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Hmm... I don't think that's a good idea, the whole point of introducing an R18+ rating for games was to have a full spectrum, this defeats the purpose of that.
 

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The entire rating concept is such a load of bullshit, as if there's an exact moment in time when people suddenly become more mature. If necessary, leave it to the parents to set arbitrary restrictions.

...the categories [R18+, MA15+, and RC] are going to be reviewed anyway because the descriptions applicable to film in the National Classification Scheme aren't applicable to gaming
Also, why?
 

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I will admit I find this an interesting proposition. While I am a big fan of gray zones, neutral states and bridges, I can see the point he is trying to make.

I'm also glad to see that he's pushing the idea as a clearer delineation for parents, rather than just being an ignorant prick, though I will refrain from overall judgment until I've seen more from him (and this debate).
 

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If my opinion counts, we shouldn't have the MA15+ rating scrapped, because that defeats the purpose of having our video games classification consistent with other media, such as films.
 

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It might be worth sending this new guy a letter with suggestions of games that really *would* fall between G & R.

For example, I wouldn't consider a game like Bioshock to be adults-only, but it certainly isn't the best game to get your darling eight-year-old. Unless they've been a pain in the ass and you WANT them to have nightmares. Heh.

And it's not just about content either, but complexity. The control systems for games aimed at children are more simplistic than some aimed at teens+, especially strategy games that could be mistakenly bought by parents for children who then get frustrated by the steep learning curve.

I think we need maybe three categories. Children, Adults and 'Everyone'. Yeah, people will still buy inappropriate games, but he's already acknowledged that no system is waterproof.
 

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I think that if the R18+ classification was made available for games the MA15+ classification should definitely be reevaluated. There are games right now that should clearly be R18+, but (and may I say I am eternally grateful for this, otherwise we would not have AU releases of these games) are not (probably because of the lack of an R18+ rating). Pretty much AU versions of CoD: MW2, Black Ops, GTA:IV etc etc are all games that in all honesty have no business being classified under MA15+ and if an R18+ classification were released, all games on the level of these ones should never be put under MA15+ again.

However to get rid of MA15+ all together would be horrible. While it will give parents a clearer line between games for kids and games for adults it will also make gamers and developers suffer. Teenagers make up a huge market share on games that are legitimately MA15+ and to force game developers (especially those from other countries) to chose between pruning their games to hell and back (which would make AU gamers and sometimes world wide gamers have sub-par games) or losing a large portion of their sales (by making them R18+) is terribly unfair for everybody but concerned parents who can't be bothered to put a little research into the contents of the games they buy their kids.
 

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"Besides, if the latest surveys about the average gamer being a 32-year-old single male who sits at home and plays games all day are correct, then what I am proposing is not going to have much impact at all"

What? Could he be any more insulting? Branding your "average gamer" as a lay-about who's doing nothing in their life? Grrrrrrrr!!
 

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I think scrapping the MA15+ rating is a bad idea.

It'll force games in that category into a lower rating (the samme problem they had with no 18+ rating), or into a higher rating, which will de-value the 18+ rating.
 

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That seems a bit harsh. Some games could be re-rated as r18+ for sure but all of them? That seems really harsh and unnecessary. They would either have to lose money for being in the r18+ and slightly more inaccessible for 15-17 year olds. Or trim them alot which results in a loss of content. Scarping MA altogether is not a sound plan. If movies can have it, why not us?
 

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Sebenko said:
It'll force games in that category into a lower rating (the samme problem they had with no 18+ rating), or into a higher rating, which will de-value the 18+ rating.
The R18+ rating is going to be 'devalued' anyway. Regardless of whether MA15+ gets removed or just has it's guidelines tighened up, a lot of games are going to be seeing the big R sticker. The writing's been on the wall a long time that 15-17yo's were going to get the shitty end of the stick in this and anyone in that age group who thought different should have been paying closer attention.
 

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Oh for...

Kindly fall down the stairs, break a hip and have a heart attack, you miserable old bastard.

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Okay, okay, I kind of see where he's coming from. But really people, teenagers can handle some mature content. It's not like a 16 year old is going to pop his clogs or turn into a serial killer because he saw a headshot or a glimpse of sideboob.

I'm comfortably over the age of 18 so this won't have any effect on me, but I really feel for the youngsters if this ends up happening.

Oh, and I love that little swipe he took at gamers. "32-year-old single males who sit at home and play games all day." That says so much right there, I don't even know where to begin. No, wait... yes I do. Mr Rau, you clearly must be a 60-year-old male who sits in a fancy office all day, soaking up taxpayer's money while staring at your secretary and wishing your penis still worked properly. So there!