South Park: Episode 201
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Everyone realises this is over the death threats some islamic website sent over depictions of Muhummad?
Mhmm, after a whole war on terror society buckles to threats instantly.
Mhmm, after a whole war on terror society buckles to threats instantly.
Um, I would like to step around the flames and ask a few questions to see what other people thought of the episode itself. I'm completely flustered because I feel a little let down, which is highly unusual for South Park. I'll try to make them brief.
1) Where's Chef,the Crab People, the aliens, Starvin' Marvin and the aliens, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head? Chef's actor is dead but couldn't they just make him walk in front of the camera for a moment, wave at the audience, then walk away? That might have garnered a few chuckles.
2) Why the hell did Pip die? For that matter, where the hell has Pip *been*!? I'd forgotten all about that little nuisance. I'll admit, it was strangely satasfying to see someone other than Kenny who has long been in the show get killed in a very gruesome South Park way, but...?
3) Why, in your opinion, do you think they rehashed almost every episode they ever made? It was magnificent to see all the old places and get a little jump when you realized where they were.
4) Scott Tenorman. His episode was my all time favorite, and seeing him portrayed in such an evil fashion truly tickled my funny bone. What do you think of him? Do you think he'll be back?
5) Cartman is usually a complete bastard, but I've noticed that at specific moments he becomes such a pansy. Not just when he knows he losing to Kyle (Again), but during the chili scene where he practically let Scott push his face into the bowl. I know his hands were probably tied, but for some reason the Cartman I know and love would never take orders from anyone and would probably rip Scotts balls off in any other situation. Has anyone else noticed a change, even slightly?
6) Am I the only one who it took three hours to get the referance at the end with the whale and Tom Cruise on the moon?
I have many more, but I have a feeling this is too much as it is. Please, let's discuss this. For the sake of my inner South Park fanboy sanity! -F
1) Where's Chef,the Crab People, the aliens, Starvin' Marvin and the aliens, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head? Chef's actor is dead but couldn't they just make him walk in front of the camera for a moment, wave at the audience, then walk away? That might have garnered a few chuckles.
2) Why the hell did Pip die? For that matter, where the hell has Pip *been*!? I'd forgotten all about that little nuisance. I'll admit, it was strangely satasfying to see someone other than Kenny who has long been in the show get killed in a very gruesome South Park way, but...?
3) Why, in your opinion, do you think they rehashed almost every episode they ever made? It was magnificent to see all the old places and get a little jump when you realized where they were.
4) Scott Tenorman. His episode was my all time favorite, and seeing him portrayed in such an evil fashion truly tickled my funny bone. What do you think of him? Do you think he'll be back?
5) Cartman is usually a complete bastard, but I've noticed that at specific moments he becomes such a pansy. Not just when he knows he losing to Kyle (Again), but during the chili scene where he practically let Scott push his face into the bowl. I know his hands were probably tied, but for some reason the Cartman I know and love would never take orders from anyone and would probably rip Scotts balls off in any other situation. Has anyone else noticed a change, even slightly?
6) Am I the only one who it took three hours to get the referance at the end with the whale and Tom Cruise on the moon?
I have many more, but I have a feeling this is too much as it is. Please, let's discuss this. For the sake of my inner South Park fanboy sanity! -F
I'm currently wondering whether or not they meant the entire lesson at the episode was meant to be bleaped out or not, because having like 3 people go on long shpiels that are completely bleaped out with Stan going 'Yeah!' and smiling at the end was really, really funny. But the bleaps before that were really annoying. Matt Stone and Trey Parker didn't mean for those bleaps to be added.
As for them promising to take the show off the air...eh. I have mixed feelings about their artistic integrity because of it, but it's such a great show, I'd hate for them to stop it.
Boy, I said bleap a lot.
As for them promising to take the show off the air...eh. I have mixed feelings about their artistic integrity because of it, but it's such a great show, I'd hate for them to stop it.
Boy, I said bleap a lot.
The integrity issues aside, I'd quite like to see South Park stop here anyway. Trey and Matt are very much aware of George Lucas syndrome and in their commentaries mention their attempts to avoid it quite often, but in recent times there have been really bad episodes that I guessed at the time must be down to no one wanting to argue with the famous writers.
I think now would be the perfect stopping point because as was covered in the raping of Indiana episode, in addition to making bad new films which retcon the old ones, directors insist on going back to update the graphics.
This week's shiny Mecha Streisand, the huge crowds of people, the retconning of Cartman's father no longer being his mother - if Trey and Matt stop here, we can go on assuming it was all deliberate self-referential satire and end the show on a high, with the bonus of preserving South Park's dignified refusal to see anything as above parody left almost totally intact. Hell, with rose tinted glasses, one day we'll probably see Hammy's lack of portrayal as funny instead of a lame copout.
I think now would be the perfect stopping point because as was covered in the raping of Indiana episode, in addition to making bad new films which retcon the old ones, directors insist on going back to update the graphics.
This week's shiny Mecha Streisand, the huge crowds of people, the retconning of Cartman's father no longer being his mother - if Trey and Matt stop here, we can go on assuming it was all deliberate self-referential satire and end the show on a high, with the bonus of preserving South Park's dignified refusal to see anything as above parody left almost totally intact. Hell, with rose tinted glasses, one day we'll probably see Hammy's lack of portrayal as funny instead of a lame copout.
Great ><, i missed the episode thanks to Splinter Cell, and right when i look on the site to see if i can watch it, i get the message, and im quoting here.
"we apologize that south park stuidos cannot stream episode 201 at this time. After we delivered the show, and prior to broadcast, comedy central placed numerous additional audio bleeps throughout the episode. we do not have network approval to stream our original version of the show. we will bring you a verson of 201 as soon as we can."
Not fucking fair!
"we apologize that south park stuidos cannot stream episode 201 at this time. After we delivered the show, and prior to broadcast, comedy central placed numerous additional audio bleeps throughout the episode. we do not have network approval to stream our original version of the show. we will bring you a verson of 201 as soon as we can."
Not fucking fair!
@The Flaming, Stop bitching like a couple of 8 year old girls.
I dunno why bother censoring certain parts for Islamists' reasons. I mean, Jesus has died HOW many times now? you dont see Christians going all "Bombolah!" on the producers etc.
I dunno why bother censoring certain parts for Islamists' reasons. I mean, Jesus has died HOW many times now? you dont see Christians going all "Bombolah!" on the producers etc.
The way they give arguments both ways is precisely the way they deliver the social commentary. When a group of people argue over an issue, they adopt a mob mentality captured perfectly with the "RABBLE RABBLE" we know and love. They quickly lose their ability to reason and promptly do something stupid.Gxas said:
When the people argue over an issue, weather their argument be liberal or conservative, they are driven to the extremes, leading to some shit hitting the fan, at which time the children talk sense into the adults. That right there is the social commentary. The message is that most people are retarded.
Now we must ask ourselves, are we, the people, retarded enough to argue about the social messages in a cartoon?
Honestly they could've made this into a 3 parter, just cause Trey and Matt always seem to make really good cliffhanger episodes. However like most people, i wish they hadn't censored a bunch of stuff. But knowing their dvd releases they'll have it uncensored. but it just goes to show, paranoia runs through people like a plague and causes others to fall victim to those who have power.
I've not seen the episode yet, just to clarify that. I can guess that it contains major changes.
And to hear about the "blur" of Muhammed is weak. It's really, really weak.
I'd expect South Park to go all out with some sort of "HI! I'm Muhammed, and I want to invite ALL of my friends to a pool party in my back yard!" on the TV.
What I expect from America is freedom of speech and balls. The balls to say something out in someones face, be it offensive or not, or just to make a right point, no matter how much they'd like to hear it.
I mean, look at Family Guy and South Park. No matter how you look at them, they still play a part in the social norm.
I really just want to see them take a stand and say "Fuck you and your fucking death-threats. We won't back down."
And yes, they were threatened, the creators. There's another thread for it.
I'm not racist against other religions, they all serve a purpose for some people.
But when it comes to death-threats, I just boil. Someone should take a stand at terror. And if any, it should be those big corporations with their huge amount of resources.
And to hear about the "blur" of Muhammed is weak. It's really, really weak.
I'd expect South Park to go all out with some sort of "HI! I'm Muhammed, and I want to invite ALL of my friends to a pool party in my back yard!" on the TV.
What I expect from America is freedom of speech and balls. The balls to say something out in someones face, be it offensive or not, or just to make a right point, no matter how much they'd like to hear it.
I mean, look at Family Guy and South Park. No matter how you look at them, they still play a part in the social norm.
I really just want to see them take a stand and say "Fuck you and your fucking death-threats. We won't back down."
And yes, they were threatened, the creators. There's another thread for it.
I'm not racist against other religions, they all serve a purpose for some people.
But when it comes to death-threats, I just boil. Someone should take a stand at terror. And if any, it should be those big corporations with their huge amount of resources.
These two latest episodes were epic! It's like constant little hugs to the fans in every scene. That's why I really enjoyed seeing Pip die. So many people on the sp forums were saying they missed him in 200, although Matt & Trey has said that they replaced Pip with Butters cause he was a much funnier character. So bringing Pip back was a nice nudge to the fans, killing him were their way of saying "There he is, alright? now fuck off."
Also, I think if it were up to the sp creators, they would have shown Mohammad uncensored. (On the other hand, that would kinda miss the point). I think Comedy Central are the ones to put blame on for that.
However, awesome episode!
Also, I think if it were up to the sp creators, they would have shown Mohammad uncensored. (On the other hand, that would kinda miss the point). I think Comedy Central are the ones to put blame on for that.
However, awesome episode!
I don't want to go in the basement! And I am no hippy.Schneizel said:
And uhhh... That pot of weed over there... Not mine.
I was laughing the whole time.
I especially liked the
I thought that was pretty weird though. I mean, I noticed it right away that it was directly out of "The Killing Joke" but why they chose that, I don't know
I especially liked the
return of Scott Tenormin and how they made him like the Joker
I thought that was pretty weird though. I mean, I noticed it right away that it was directly out of "The Killing Joke" but why they chose that, I don't know
Two things I hated:
1.They censored Muhammad's name, if you jumped in just then you would have no idea who the hell they were talking about.
2.Stan apologized to Tom Cruise, he doesn't deserve an apology
1.They censored Muhammad's name, if you jumped in just then you would have no idea who the hell they were talking about.
2.Stan apologized to Tom Cruise, he doesn't deserve an apology
Can I add my voice to the vague chorus that says 'disappointed' too? It was a good episode, but after the euphoric high that the previous one put me on, I was really on tenterhooks about them showing Muhammad, which would have been amazing. I did, however, think that the Cartman arc was really well done, and that the return of Scott Tenorman was a masterstroke.
To whoever claimed that the South Park creators don't try to make points they just try to be funny, you couldn't be more wrong. South Park has a pretty strong common sense agenda that leans liberal and pro-freedom. They just don't always try to hammer home their conclusions like a Party Political Broadcast.
To whoever claimed that the South Park creators don't try to make points they just try to be funny, you couldn't be more wrong. South Park has a pretty strong common sense agenda that leans liberal and pro-freedom. They just don't always try to hammer home their conclusions like a Party Political Broadcast.