Special Operations Doxhound

[Dragonlayer]

Since when did Isaac Clarke get into the stealth business? And steal Hideo Kojima's haircut?

 

[CrossGuard]

Right, so the CoC says I shouldn't air my complaints publicly, so I've used the appeal system.

With that out of the way, I hope Amyss doesn't view this an excuse to ignore my points, and at least offers some evidence of their claims regarding KotakuInAction.

 

[Davroth]

Though @Bat Vader: already somewhat provided the full source, it wasn't in a clickable or watchable link format, so here's the full thing for context:


Apparently, the comment in question starts a little after the 26 minute mark, so people would want to start before that.

But yeah, I learned to ALWAYS find the full source and watch the whole thing in context. It's the favored tactic of some people on this site to show obviously edited and out of context videos of Anita Sarkeesian. Every single time I've seen one of those, or otherwise was quoted something by her and examined the full context it was taken from, it never turned out to actually mean/say what they claimed it did. I'm not sure if that's the case here, but you can never know for sure until you go straight to the source. Never trust someone who doesn't provide the full context at their word.

I'm sorry? Saddler clearly says that he has "every right to put your address out there." That's doxxing. There's no two ways about it. Doesn't matter who the target is. He says that and is met with standing ovations. What is your point here?

 

[Vanilla_Knight]

Right, so the CoC says I shouldn't air my complaints publicly, so I've used the appeal system.

With that out of the way, I hope Amyss doesn't view this an excuse to ignore my points, and at least offers some evidence of their claims regarding KotakuInAction.

You can't directly address anything here apparently. The CoC fully encourages the passive aggressive behavior that allows mods to abuse the subjective rule enforcement. Someone can come into a thread and selectively read one part, focus only on the fact that it's a shortened clip (because that was the relevant part that has become most popular), say "vested interest in pushing a narrative", and IGNORE THE FULL VIDEO LINK THAT WAS POSTED WITH CONTEXT, then prance about like people are suppose to not call them out on that. What the hell. What's funny is that with the full video, they actually look worse when they say that misandry doesn't exist and "lol menzritez are the dumbz" as everyone laughs.

"Did you really just throw an accusation without posting proof, AFTER you've been on my ass this whole time for not posting the full video of the #SGC2013? Irony is lost on you, little one."

Do you actually expect an honest and fair presentation of KiA on The Escapist forums? GamerGate is still pro-doxxing even when they have explicit rules in place against it. Anything but stay on the topic that Sessler and Sterling made asses out of themselves and that the people in the audience cheering are unthinking dolts.

The expected "BUT GAMERGATE AND KOTAKUINACTION ARE ALSO PRO-DOXXING! TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN! WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT THEM INSTEAD OF THIS THING! WHY DON'T YOU CALL THEM OUT HUH?!" because until you apologize for every no-name no-face extremist out there that's somehow connected to you, you'll never hear the end of it. As if it is at all relevant to the conversation. It's nothing more than deflection. I don't apologize for every extremist liberal and I don't apologize for every extremist member of KotakuInAction, but they expect that from you. That's barring the fact that it's discouraged, denounced, and against the rules in that subreddit. Sessler and Sterling aren't trolls from Reddit who receive -10 and go to the bottom of the thread in KiA for saying someone should be doxxed, they are public figures who should have a lot more modesty in what they say. No, but you're guilty of those trolls! There isn't anything useful to be gained for having someone demand you repent for the sins of others. What fucking nonsense.

Can I get a warning point now pl0x?

 

[marioandsonic]

Am I correct that MovieBob once tweeted something along the lines of "there are no bad methods, only bad targets"?

I've always found that line of thinking to be disturbing.

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

Right, so the CoC says I shouldn't air my complaints publicly, so I've used the appeal system.

With that out of the way, I hope Amyss doesn't view this an excuse to ignore my points, and at least offers some evidence of their claims regarding KotakuInAction.

CoC says not to insult someone, you used autistic as an insult. No point in appealing that.

 

[Bat Vader]

Right, so the CoC says I shouldn't air my complaints publicly, so I've used the appeal system.

With that out of the way, I hope Amyss doesn't view this an excuse to ignore my points, and at least offers some evidence of their claims regarding KotakuInAction.

To be fair though you insulted Amyss by calling them autistic and said irony is lost on them. I don't agree with Amyss either but there was absolutely no need to bring insults into this. Doing so just drags your own argument down and makes people take you less seriously. If someone pisses me off the point where I want to start insulting them I just quit arguing with them for awhile and cool off. If someone starts insulting me during a debate I just quit speaking with them and add them to an ignore list if a site has one. The way I see it is that that have lost any right to a response if they refuse to act civil.

 

[thepyrethatburns]

Could I please get a bit of context here? I'm a little out of loop and the 'joke' is just completely lost.

They begin talking about hate speech in online video games and after that is where Sessler says the doxing thing. Here is a link with the time marker at the part where they being talking about it.

youtu.be/QOxRxyv6TFs?t=26m7s

He and people like him are the reason we're going to be dealing with doxxing and other kinds of harassment as long as there's an internet.

When you allow an exception based on a subjective quality, such as it being 'deserved', it follows that assholes of any political or moral leaning have all the justification they need to continue with such tactics.
Whatever impressive moral contortionist feats they have to perform, anyone who harasses and doxxes probably feels justified in doing so.
They tell themselves that the target 'deserves' what they're getting.

Of course, they're as wrong as they could be, but with statements like the one from Sessler, there's a nice piece of validation for them.

A lot of people are more flexible on this than they'd likely admit. Just look at the recent Ashley Madison issue where a lot of posters on this site were pretty much saying "fuck 'em, they deserve it" to the victims because they didn't like the activity they were involved in(i.e. cheating on their spouses).

Most people have principles when it's convenient, but it's hard to maintain them when someone you really dislike is in the crosshairs.

This. A thousand times this. People are only against doxxing when they sympathize with the victim or are against the people doing the doxxing. If they don't, it's open season.