Spector Says Critics "Misunderstand" Epic Mickey
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[tangent] Seriously, what the hell is with these developers thinking that we misunderstand a game? "GTA is stale because it is the 4th one and not original"
"We don't understand RE5 because it STILL has the "Can't move and shoot at the same time, so the horror is that much more" fixed position shooting"
"OMG, I'm not making enough money so I'm going to complain about piracy!"
It's ridiculous! Your game ain't perfect. There's a helluva lot more to a game than just the damn camera. If people don't like the little technical things that frustrate them in a game, you messed up. Own up. Don't try to blame us for your mistakes. If they're comparing your game to Super Mario Galaxy, they MUST have found a better one you could copy code from or see what they did for the next game. That's how you compete for dollars in the gaming world.
Mickey was a great concept. Epic Mickey was cool. But you dropped the ball at the finish line. That's YOUR fault, not mine. This not understanding thing is just an excuse.[/tangent]
[tangent] Seriously, what the hell is with these developers thinking that we misunderstand a game? "GTA is stale because it is the 4th one and not original"
"We don't understand RE5 because it STILL has the "Can't move and shoot at the same time, so the horror is that much more" fixed position shooting"
"OMG, I'm not making enough money so I'm going to complain about piracy!"
It's ridiculous! Your game ain't perfect. There's a helluva lot more to a game than just the damn camera. If people don't like the little technical things that frustrate them in a game, you messed up. Own up. Don't try to blame us for your mistakes. If they're comparing your game to Super Mario Galaxy, they MUST have found a better one you could copy code from or see what they did for the next game. That's how you compete for dollars in the gaming world.
Mickey was a great concept. Epic Mickey was cool. But you dropped the ball at the finish line. That's YOUR fault, not mine. This not understanding thing is just an excuse.[/tangent]
So Warren Spector's the new John Romero, huh?
There's no way in hell you fucked up, Spector. You're just God's gift to fucking gaming aren't you?
This is why the game industry does not need "celebrities". Too many dickheads with egos so inflated it has its own gravitational orbit, blaming the gamers and critics for their fuck-ups.
There's no way in hell you fucked up, Spector. You're just God's gift to fucking gaming aren't you?
This is why the game industry does not need "celebrities". Too many dickheads with egos so inflated it has its own gravitational orbit, blaming the gamers and critics for their fuck-ups.
Really Warren? Because I didn't like it because it was boring. So far I'm around 7 hours into a game where all I do is go on fetch quests and repaint in cogs. you also took the fun out of morale choice by making a system where you just grind up and get 3 insta kills or it tells you where to go. And if you're good those instant kills don't even work on half the enemies.
Such wonderful grammar you have thar matey.DAVEoftheDEAD said:
But anyways I fully support Epic Mickey. I keep getting this feeling from the reviews that the reviewers were just frustrated with the camera. I never saw anything saying specifically that the camera got in the way of game play. However, I am forced to assume that it does in fact get in the way because if not they would have no reason to give it such a low score.
From what I've seen it appears that the game has a really great story but some game play of questionable quality, and I'm fine with that.
Yeah, this whole thing is sort of dumb. Sure, not camera is perfect, but that doesn't excuse a bad camera.tellmeimaninja said:
Just because nobody knows how to make a third person camera design that looked like it was created by god himself doesn't excuse you for making one that isn't even functional Mr. Specter. Also, if you designed the camera for an action game, yet everyone complains that the camera doesn't work, maybe you're the one who doesn't understand your own game seeing as you apperently mistake it for another genre.
That's just a pathetic excuse. Just saying "You're doing it wrong and that's why you don't like it." is such a shitty excuse for the flaws in a game that it makes me sad to see such an esteemed developer use it.
I doubt every reviewer on the web can simply be "doing it wrong" so Spector you can go and CRY SOME MOAR!
If that was the game that was made, I wouldn't even care what the critics said. I'd buy a Wii, specifically to play that game.ColdStorage said:
OT: Spector seems like a good guy and a decent developer, but excuses like these just make me sad. If I made a game and people didn't like it, I'd say "screw you, I liked it, and I'm sure other people did." Sure, there's probably improvements that can be made, but that's the learning experience, isn't it. It's just a really poor reaction to say "Um... err... um, well, you're just... YOU'RE NOT PLAYING IT RIGHT!! Yeah, that's it, you're playing it the wrong way!" It sounds really childish.
"Your opinions are all wrong, the correct one is that this is the best game ever, IT HAS A FUNCTIONAL CAMERA FOR CHRISSAKES"
Flawless argumentation right there folks.
Flawless argumentation right there folks.
You're allowed a few mistakes while making a game, but if the camera is one of them, don't blame it on the reviewers for "not getting it".
'Cause if there's one thing we as a gaming community get it's bad camera controls.
'Cause if there's one thing we as a gaming community get it's bad camera controls.
Hmm, since I haven't played it I don't know if it's as bad as the Escapist and 2 lowest reviews say (just happens to be 2 of the lowest reviews on metacritic) however, I wouldn't consider 29 positive reviews versus 9 mixed reviews (10 if you include the escapist) an Epic FAIL (that's decent by metacritic standards).
It's kinda easy to make something look worst then it actually is when you take 2 of the worst reviews from it in my opinion but I suppose it depends on how you feel about it and how much bearing you give to metacritic.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/disney-epic-mickey/critic-reviews.
It's kinda easy to make something look worst then it actually is when you take 2 of the worst reviews from it in my opinion but I suppose it depends on how you feel about it and how much bearing you give to metacritic.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/disney-epic-mickey/critic-reviews.
Wait why is this guy famous and what makes him different than any other developer? I haven't played the game yet but it sounds fun and from the gameplay I've seen doesn't seem to be that bad. I have played games with camera flaws before and love them for the unexpected challenge.
Denis Dyack was whining like a little ***** when Too Human was bashed by the critics. He did a few good games beforehand.
Tim Schafer released a statement that gamers "weren't playing the multiplayer mode right" and explained in details what strategy they should have been using. He's a renowned legend of creativity.
Now Warren Spector cries about his game being seen as a platformer and not an RPG. He made System Shock and Deus Ex, among others.
There are many more examples of this kind of behavior. I think that once big shots got their ball rolling, they start feeling invincible, think they can't be wrong anymore. I guess it gets to your head when you have thousands of fanboys telling you that you are mightier than God.
Warren is just at the first of the Five Stages of Grief: Denial. Then will come anger, then bargaining, then depression and finally acceptance.
Tim Schafer released a statement that gamers "weren't playing the multiplayer mode right" and explained in details what strategy they should have been using. He's a renowned legend of creativity.
Now Warren Spector cries about his game being seen as a platformer and not an RPG. He made System Shock and Deus Ex, among others.
There are many more examples of this kind of behavior. I think that once big shots got their ball rolling, they start feeling invincible, think they can't be wrong anymore. I guess it gets to your head when you have thousands of fanboys telling you that you are mightier than God.
Warren is just at the first of the Five Stages of Grief: Denial. Then will come anger, then bargaining, then depression and finally acceptance.
I ree-hee-heealy don't want to turn this into an argument over, or even conversation about, review scores. But since you're not the first person to bring it up...Leroy Frederick said:
Metacritic's "weighted" score is sub-80 because the bulk of the mainstream, major review sites scored it that way. No offense to sites like DarkZero or Vandal Online, because I know nothing about them, but when they say 90 and sites like Dtoid, Joystiq, 1Up, Game Informer, CVG and more say 70-80 (or even 60-70), I have to wonder. And while a 70-80 score is very respectable on a legitimate 1-100 scale, we all know (or should know) that game reviews don't work that way. Anything under 80 is dicey and flawed; anything under 70 is shit. And if you're talking about a major, much-hyped blockbuster from a guy like Warren Spector? If it's under 90, it's a fail.
It's a sad, crappy situation, but that's just how it is.