Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

[Johnny Novgorod]

So I finally saw the movie. And it was fun, but... I don't get where people are seeing the genius. Everybody's been raving about Spider-Verse like it's the second coming and I can't for the life of me see it. I like the clash of styles and the humor and the action and villain re-imaginings but what makes it so much more life-changing than a 2 hour Saturday Morning Cartoon?

Well, first of all it's something fresh in the world of western animation, which has been taken over by the Pixar style for at least the last 15 years. That alone is pretty remarkable.

Equally important, it has fun with its superheroes and superhero universe in a way that you rarely see in big budget movies. Movie franchises like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man specifically are so affraid to scare off general audiences with anything too outside the norm that we end up with typical stuff everytime. Not that Spider-Verse doesn't have a familiar plot and character arcs, but the fact that it's done with a main character that isn't Peter Parker, that the Peter Parker we do get is a flabby 40-year old, and that one character is a talking pig.. in a big budget Spider-Man movie, that's something we haven't seen before.


I'm not going to say it's the best superhero/animated/Spider-Man movie, it's just extremely refreshing in the bland assembly line production of current superhero movies.

That's fine, I agree that it's a good animated movie, and why. I thought superhero movies were already doing the meta amirite yuck-yucks for some time now, but whatever. It's the weirdly obsequious reaction on social media that I'm completely confused by. You know that feeling when you're halfway through a movie and already you've decided it's brilliant and you HAVE to watch it again? I never got that from Spider-Verse. I sort of waited for that gut-punch the whole movie and it never came.

 

[Saelune]

So I finally saw the movie. And it was fun, but... I don't get where people are seeing the genius. Everybody's been raving about Spider-Verse like it's the second coming and I can't for the life of me see it. I like the clash of styles and the humor and the action and villain re-imaginings but what makes it so much more life-changing than a 2 hour Saturday Morning Cartoon?

I love Marvel, but I agree. Like, it was good, but I dunno, people act like animated Marvel is a new thing, as if The X-Men cartoon never existed, as if those Disney cartoons with Spider-Man and The Avengers didn't exist.


It was fine, but its not going to make the MCU suddenly go animated, infact I prefer the Live Action, seeing Marvel brought to life with people still amazes me.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

So I finally saw the movie. And it was fun, but... I don't get where people are seeing the genius. Everybody's been raving about Spider-Verse like it's the second coming and I can't for the life of me see it. I like the clash of styles and the humor and the action and villain re-imaginings but what makes it so much more life-changing than a 2 hour Saturday Morning Cartoon?

I love Marvel, but I agree. Like, it was good, but I dunno, people act like animated Marvel is a new thing, as if The X-Men cartoon never existed, as if those Disney cartoons with Spider-Man and The Avengers didn't exist.


It was fine, but its not going to make the MCU suddenly go animated, infact I prefer the Live Action, seeing Marvel brought to life with people still amazes me.

One of the rare occasions where we divide in opinion.

I loved this more than any of the live action Marvel films. I can always notice CGI which does nothing but take me out of the moment. And they hire people for their looks, and not their fighting ability. And even if they did, no one can actually move like Spiderman does in real life.

I feel the medium perfectly lent to the visual representation of how manic the world seems when you're going through that time. Now to that, add super powers and the fate of millions of people depending on a teenaged boy.

Live Action is so... Flat. Very rarely does the medium really display how powerful these people are. The one time I can think of is when Hulk and Thor finished their fight on board the Chitauri ship. But the rest... Hell, Thor Ragnarok on the Bifrost bridge. We're talking about a man who can lift the World Serpent. And how powerful did he look? He was mainly punching guys and pushing them back as much as Captain America. His one real feat of strength was throwing a guy in the air.

Juxtapose that to Miles getting frustrated and lightly tapping his fist against a giant rock and splitting it without any effort. That displays power.

Knowing the feats I do for these characters, everything in Live Action looks so... muted. This was vibrant. And Vibrancy is something that has been lost to Marvel for a bit. That's half the reason Guardians of the Galaxy and Black Panther are my favorite marvel movies... Even though Drax is NO WHERE NEAR as powerful as he should be...

 

[Casual Shinji]

That's fine, I agree that it's a good animated movie, and why. I thought superhero movies were already doing the meta amirite yuck-yucks for some time now, but whatever. It's the weirdly obsequious reaction on social media that I'm completely confused by. You know that feeling when you're halfway through a movie and already you've decided it's brilliant and you HAVE to watch it again? I never got that from Spider-Verse. I sort of waited for that gut-punch the whole movie and it never came.

I think it's just the combination of unique art style, Lord/Miller type humor, and Spider-Man fun that causes people to go a bit crazy over it. There's a reason we haven't seen Miles Morales and the multi-verse in a superhero movie yet, and that's because studios are too scared to risk it. But this movie is the first to take the plunge, and a lot of people appreciate it. It's the first big screen renditions of Miles and Spider-Gwen, the latter especially being a fan favorite. And getting Spider-Ham in a movie is something I'm sure nobody ever expected. It also uses its medium wonderfully to play around with its superheroes/villains in a way live-action won't and can't.


It also just felt like a nice stand-alone movie, instead of sequel #862 where 40 percent is setting up the big event for the next sequel. And if you're already not that in love with how Marvel movies look, and how generic the villains usually are, Spider-Verse is kinda like seeing Spider-Man 2 or The Incredibles again for the first time.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

I think it's just the combination of unique art style, Lord/Miller type humor, and Spider-Man fun that causes people to go a bit crazy over it. There's a reason we haven't seen Miles Morales and the multi-verse in a superhero movie yet, and that's because studios are too scared to risk it.

And that reason was on for about half a second in the movie. Gotta love some shout outs [https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-shoutout-donald-glover-easter-egg/]

 

[Casual Shinji]

I love Marvel, but I agree. Like, it was good, but I dunno, people act like animated Marvel is a new thing, as if The X-Men cartoon never existed, as if those Disney cartoons with Spider-Man and The Avengers didn't exist.

I think they know that very well, and that's exactly why they love it so much. X-Men: The Animated Series could delve into some of the crazier aspects of the superhero genre, like all the space stuff, because it was animated. Spider-Verse is the same, in that it can play around with things live-action wouldn't or couldn't, like a pig in a Spider-Man suit.


It's the same reason people hold Batman: The Animated Series in such high regard. Animation (if handled with talent) can do things with superheroes that make their live-action counter parts look like amateur cosplayers bangling from wires.

 

[Saelune]

So I finally saw the movie. And it was fun, but... I don't get where people are seeing the genius. Everybody's been raving about Spider-Verse like it's the second coming and I can't for the life of me see it. I like the clash of styles and the humor and the action and villain re-imaginings but what makes it so much more life-changing than a 2 hour Saturday Morning Cartoon?

I love Marvel, but I agree. Like, it was good, but I dunno, people act like animated Marvel is a new thing, as if The X-Men cartoon never existed, as if those Disney cartoons with Spider-Man and The Avengers didn't exist.


It was fine, but its not going to make the MCU suddenly go animated, infact I prefer the Live Action, seeing Marvel brought to life with people still amazes me.

One of the rare occasions where we divide in opinion.

I loved this more than any of the live action Marvel films. I can always notice CGI which does nothing but take me out of the moment. And they hire people for their looks, and not their fighting ability. And even if they did, no one can actually move like Spiderman does in real life.

I feel the medium perfectly lent to the visual representation of how manic the world seems when you're going through that time. Now to that, add super powers and the fate of millions of people depending on a teenaged boy.

Live Action is so... Flat. Very rarely does the medium really display how powerful these people are. The one time I can think of is when Hulk and Thor finished their fight on board the Chitauri ship. But the rest... Hell, Thor Ragnarok on the Bifrost bridge. We're talking about a man who can lift the World Serpent. And how powerful did he look? He was mainly punching guys and pushing them back as much as Captain America. His one real feat of strength was throwing a guy in the air.

Juxtapose that to Miles getting frustrated and lightly tapping his fist against a giant rock and splitting it without any effort. That displays power.

Knowing the feats I do for these characters, everything in Live Action looks so... muted. This was vibrant. And Vibrancy is something that has been lost to Marvel for a bit. That's half the reason Guardians of the Galaxy and Black Panther are my favorite marvel movies... Even though Drax is NO WHERE NEAR as powerful as he should be...

Have you even watched Tom Holland's Spider-Man? He is a kid! A scrawny one at that and he can deflect Winter Soldier and Thanos's attacks, lift himself out of a collapsed building, and hold on against the vacuum of space while lifting people!


Just because you aren't paying attention, doesn't mean they aren't showing his strength or flexibility.


People are just overhyped. I remember when people said the recent Star Wars movies were good and telling me I was wrong. Then time passed and now popular opinion mostly agrees with me.

Also, according to all right-wingers here, I now think you're a Nazi, cause you disagree with me, sorry Obsidian, that's just how it works apparently. ;P

 

[Saelune]

I love Marvel, but I agree. Like, it was good, but I dunno, people act like animated Marvel is a new thing, as if The X-Men cartoon never existed, as if those Disney cartoons with Spider-Man and The Avengers didn't exist.

I think they know that very well, and that's exactly why they love it so much. X-Men: The Animated Series could delve into some of the crazier aspects of the superhero genre, like all the space stuff, because it was animated. Spider-Verse is the same, in that it can play around with things live-action wouldn't or couldn't, like a pig in a Spider-Man suit.


It's the same reason people hold Batman: The Animated Series in such high regard. Animation (if handled with talent) can do things with superheroes that make their live-action counter parts look like amateur cosplayers bangling from wires.

If they got rid of the other characters, Noir, Porker and the anime girl, I think Spider-Verse could have been a regular Marvel movie.


I mean, what about Big Hero 6? That happened, and people didn't get this hyped.

 

[Casual Shinji]

If they got rid of the other characters, Noir, Porker and the anime girl, I think Spider-Verse could have been a regular Marvel movie.

Maybe, I'd have to see that version first. But even then, just its way of presenting itself (not just visually) would still make it stand out among the MCU. The creative team behind it also gives it a more unique voice than most of the Marvel movies, or just all of the Marvel movies except for Guardians and Homecoming.

I mean, what about Big Hero 6? That happened, and people didn't get this hyped.

Well, ignoring the fact that that movie probably made more money then Spider-Verse ever will, it was just kind of the same old Disney fare. Also, it's not Spider-Man - The fans tend to be more vocal about that.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Have you even watched Tom Holland's Spider-Man? He is a kid! A scrawny one at that and he can deflect Winter Soldier and Thanos's attacks, lift himself out of a collapsed building, and hold on against the vacuum of space while lifting people!


Just because you aren't paying attention, doesn't mean they aren't showing his strength or flexibility.


People are just overhyped. I remember when people said the recent Star Wars movies were good and telling me I was wrong. Then time passed and now popular opinion mostly agrees with me.

Also, according to all right-wingers here, I now think you're a Nazi, cause you disagree with me, sorry Obsidian, that's just how it works apparently. ;P

CGI!!! [https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/12/11664554/captain-america-civil-war-cgi-visual-effects-spider-man-interview]

"The airport is a hundred percent digital," ILM visual effects supervisor Russell Earl tells me over the phone. "Spider-Man, Giant-Man, and Black Panther are always one-hundred percent CG. Iron Man, War Machine, and then we?ve got Vision." The exceptions were characters like Black Widow, Captain America, or Winter Soldier ? basically, the few people not wearing a mask of some sort. But while directors Joe and Anthony Russo did shoot at an airport in Germany, only a handful of principal cast members were there ? with the majority of the live-action footage shot against a giant green screen in Atlanta, Georgia and assembled by the visual effects team later."

I hate CGI. I can't ever parse it into the real world, so in turn all I think is "Oh, Movie".

And seriously? Those are the rules?

Can I at least be a repentant Nazi and join up with the Inglourious Basterds?

 

[Casual Shinji]

I hate CGI. I can't ever parse it into the real world, so in turn all I think is "Oh, Movie".

I don't mind CGI, but in these kinds of movies my brain will always notice that switch from 'real actor person' to 'CGI guy', and back to 'real actor person'. Funny enough I don't have this problem as much with pre-Iron Man 1 superhero movies. It's like current CGI has a gloss to it that instantly catches my eye.

 

[Saelune]

Have you even watched Tom Holland's Spider-Man? He is a kid! A scrawny one at that and he can deflect Winter Soldier and Thanos's attacks, lift himself out of a collapsed building, and hold on against the vacuum of space while lifting people!


Just because you aren't paying attention, doesn't mean they aren't showing his strength or flexibility.


People are just overhyped. I remember when people said the recent Star Wars movies were good and telling me I was wrong. Then time passed and now popular opinion mostly agrees with me.

Also, according to all right-wingers here, I now think you're a Nazi, cause you disagree with me, sorry Obsidian, that's just how it works apparently. ;P

CGI!!! [https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/12/11664554/captain-america-civil-war-cgi-visual-effects-spider-man-interview]

"The airport is a hundred percent digital," ILM visual effects supervisor Russell Earl tells me over the phone. "Spider-Man, Giant-Man, and Black Panther are always one-hundred percent CG. Iron Man, War Machine, and then we?ve got Vision." The exceptions were characters like Black Widow, Captain America, or Winter Soldier ? basically, the few people not wearing a mask of some sort. But while directors Joe and Anthony Russo did shoot at an airport in Germany, only a handful of principal cast members were there ? with the majority of the live-action footage shot against a giant green screen in Atlanta, Georgia and assembled by the visual effects team later."

I hate CGI. I can't ever parse it into the real world, so in turn all I think is "Oh, Movie".

And seriously? Those are the rules?

I was too busy having everything I ever wanted for the MCU happening right in front of my eyes.


I don't have this problem until it is Superman's 'not mustache' mouth.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I love Marvel, but I agree. Like, it was good, but I dunno, people act like animated Marvel is a new thing, as if The X-Men cartoon never existed, as if those Disney cartoons with Spider-Man and The Avengers didn't exist.

I think they know that very well, and that's exactly why they love it so much. X-Men: The Animated Series could delve into some of the crazier aspects of the superhero genre, like all the space stuff, because it was animated. Spider-Verse is the same, in that it can play around with things live-action wouldn't or couldn't, like a pig in a Spider-Man suit.


It's the same reason people hold Batman: The Animated Series in such high regard. Animation (if handled with talent) can do things with superheroes that make their live-action counter parts look like amateur cosplayers bangling from wires.

If they got rid of the other characters, Noir, Porker and the anime girl, I think Spider-Verse could have been a regular Marvel movie.

I actually wanted more of those characters. Felt like they showed up too late and did too little. Most of the movie is a duo between Miles and Peter. Felt like they didn't squeeze the multiverse angle for all that it's worth.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I actually wanted more of those characters. Felt like they showed up too late and did too little. Most of the movie is a duo between Miles and Peter. Felt like they didn't squeeze the multiverse angle for all that it's worth.

I don't think they showed up too late, but they were introduced as sort of 'oh yeah, here's the rest'. With as little screen time as they got I think they could've felt more satisfying if they each had their one moment to shine. If you compare it to The Lego Movie, which Spider-Verse has a lot of similarities to, each team member has that one scene where it's all about them, like 70's Space Man finally being allowed to make a spaceship, and Princess Uni-Kitty going berserk. Spider-Verse needed something like that. Spider-Ham sorta gets a moment like that, when he beats Scorpian's ass with a wooden mallet, but Noir and Peni just kinda hang around.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I actually wanted more of those characters. Felt like they showed up too late and did too little. Most of the movie is a duo between Miles and Peter. Felt like they didn't squeeze the multiverse angle for all that it's worth.

I don't think they showed up too late, but they were introduced as sort of 'oh yeah, here's the rest'. With as little screen time as they got I think they could've felt more satisfying if they each had their one moment to shine. If you compare it to The Lego Movie, which Spider-Verse has a lot of similarities to, each team member has that one scene where it's all about them, like 70's Space Man finally being allowed to make a spaceship, and Princess Uni-Kitty going berserk. Spider-Verse needed something like that. Spider-Ham sorta gets a moment like that, when he beats Scorpian's ass with a wooden mallet, but Noir and Peni just kinda hang around.

Right, everybody gets their quick little moment to shine in the final battle but the plot never really needed any of them like it needed Miles or Peter or Gwen. Wish they'd been actually involved in the plot. As it is none of them ever really outdo their introductions, which take up most of their dialogue.

I guess that's my biggest frustration with the movie - the waste of the stuff that could've made it brilliant. Like how the Spider-Verse itself (the diversity of Spideys) doesn't factor into the plot. You could've told the same story without inventing other dimensions, feels like. Silly underdog, down-and-out mentor and no-nonsense friendzone chick, which is every Marvel chick btw. And for that matter, if there's an infinity of Spider-People, why should I give a shit when one of them dies? Why care about anything when the universe factors in every single possibility and outcome ever? You don't have to go full nihilist Rick & Morty style but at least acknowledge the potential intricacies of the plot. Let Miles have an emo moment with that.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I guess that's my biggest frustration with the movie - the waste of the stuff that could've made it brilliant. Like how the Spider-Verse itself (the diversity of Spideys) doesn't factor into the plot. You could've told the same story without inventing other dimensions, feels like. Silly underdog, down-and-out mentor and no-nonsense friendzone chick, which is every Marvel chick btw. And for that matter, if there's an infinity of Spider-People, why should I give a shit when one of them dies? Why care about anything when the universe factors in every single possibility and outcome ever? You don't have to go full nihilist Rick & Morty style but at least acknowledge the potential intricacies of the plot. Let Miles have an emo moment with that.

Well, it's not really going for the existential implications behind infinte realities. Same as how Marvel doesn't delve into what the impact of discovering extraterrestrial life would have on our notion of.. everything. It's using it to just throw some craziness together. And it deliberately chooses Spider-people which are all different people, not slightly different versions of the same person, so that you do care if one of them should die - They're not all Peter Parker, only one of them is. And the one that does die is used to not only make Miles feel woefully inadiquate to take his place as the new Spider-Man, but also to show how much of a bum Peter B. Parker is.

It uses the multi-verse angle to put what is generally seen as an iconic superhero identity onto anyone. The idea being that anyone can wear the mantle, it's not just stuck to one identity, find your own voice etc. That's also the idea behind the pretty heavy symbolism of Miles tagging the Spider-suit he gets from May.


And I actually kinda liked the thing between Miles and Gwen. There's a little bit of something there, but since they're both literally from different worlds (and can't exist in eachother's) they can't pursue it. It also wouldn't make sense in the moment, because making sure the world doesn't end is a bit more important. But at the end when they say goodbye you can tell there's a hint of 'maybe something could've happened, but you know..'

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I guess that's my biggest frustration with the movie - the waste of the stuff that could've made it brilliant. Like how the Spider-Verse itself (the diversity of Spideys) doesn't factor into the plot. You could've told the same story without inventing other dimensions, feels like. Silly underdog, down-and-out mentor and no-nonsense friendzone chick, which is every Marvel chick btw. And for that matter, if there's an infinity of Spider-People, why should I give a shit when one of them dies? Why care about anything when the universe factors in every single possibility and outcome ever? You don't have to go full nihilist Rick & Morty style but at least acknowledge the potential intricacies of the plot. Let Miles have an emo moment with that.

Well, it's not really going for the existential implications behind infinte realities. Same as how Marvel doesn't delve into what the impact of discovering extraterrestrial life would have on our notion of.. everything. It's using it to just throw some craziness together.

Which I find underwhelming. It didn't feel like there was much going on beneath the light show, although I appreciated the quieter Pixar-like moments in which well-meaning mom and dad decide to reach out to junior even if they don't get what's going on.

It uses the multi-verse angle to put what is generally seen as an iconic superhero identity onto anyone. The idea being that anyone can wear the mantle, it's not just stuck to one identity, find your own voice etc.

Well, anyone who gets bitten by a radioactive spider, sure. I think the "everybody's special" message is pretty disingenuous. I prefer the parting thoughts of Rataouille about how not everyone's special (in which case, go find your thing) but special can come from anywhere. Which is basically the philosophy behind The Incredibles, really. And I don't think much of Miles spray-painting his uniform like it's a vow to newfound confidence in his individuality. It's still a uniform. It was given to him. Every Spidey wears one.

And I actually kinda liked the thing between Miles and Gwen. There's a little bit of something there, but since they're both literally from different worlds (and can't exist in eachother's) they can't pursue it. It also wouldn't make sense in the moment, because making sure the world doesn't end is a bit more important. But at the end when they say goodbye you can tell there's a hint of 'maybe something could've happened, but you know..'

Dorky, immature underdog with a chaste, no-nonsense female counterpart? Well-written here but done a million times already. That's every relationship in the hero-verse: we like each other but duty calls.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

Saw it yesterday and loved it.

I've always had a VERY soft sport for Spidey. He's the most hero-y of super heroes. 100% pure determination and guts, complete dedication to doing the right thing even when it sucks because that's what heroes do. Extreme level quipping. And finally, ultra neat mobility powers.

So this movie felt like a maxed out love letter to the whole thing, and I loved it right back.

Not to mention the animation was friggen gorgeous. It was a little wild and chaotic, sure, but it REALLY popped.

I really enjoyed all the spideys, even though I wish some of them got a little more screen time and/or story beats and were more than "Hey, here's some really cool-looking backup muscle for the big epic fight!"

Live Action is so... Flat. Very rarely does the medium really display how powerful these people are. The one time I can think of is when Hulk and Thor finished their fight on board the Chitauri ship. But the rest... Hell, Thor Ragnarok on the Bifrost bridge. We're talking about a man who can lift the World Serpent. And how powerful did he look? He was mainly punching guys and pushing them back as much as Captain America. His one real feat of strength was throwing a guy in the air.

Although I don't have the CGI disconnect, and I DO adore the hell out of the MCU, I do feel like animation allows you go really show everything these heroes are capable of.

Like, in Homecoming, Spidey was pretty damn great and had some epic feats, but it all felt like it had to be semi-grounded and appear at least somewhat plausiable. In Spiderverse they could REALLY make some of the web-slinging shenanigans look manic and hyper and lightning-fast like Spidey is supposed to be, and I really appreciated that.

Why care about anything when the universe factors in every single possibility and outcome ever?

Honestly, I am REALLY glad they didn't go that angle. That trope actively bores me.

Maybe it's just me, but I see nothing to angst about in that scenario. Oh no, there are universes where the exact opposite happened, where is the meaning?! ...Well, considering I still have to live in my own universe (unless I could hop over to another one and think killing and replacing another me is feasible and moral), I still have to live with the consequences of my actions. So...Yeah, still plenty of meaning. Same goes for any other universe me's. If they die, their universe is now lacking them, and that's (usually) a sad thing for everyone they know.

Then again, I'm incredibly ambivalent towards this kind of existential dread thing.


Oh no, we're alone in the universe?! Meh, who cares, we're locked to our planet anyway, what does the rest of the universe really matter? We are tiny little people on a tiny little rock orbiting in a tiny little solar system, in one galaxy among basically infinite ones anyway. If there was a small handful of intelligent life out there, we'd never likely meet them.

Oh no, we're NOT alone in the universe and we aren't special because intelligent life is insanely common and we are in fact the galactic losers who can't get off our homeworld? Cool, I'd enjoy seeing some of the weird and wacky life forms out there, they're probably pretty nifty.

Oh no, the world is a simulation? Well, yeah, ok, that kinda sucks and I'm terrified someone might trip over the power cable, but ultimately, what the hell does that change in my life? Not really much, except make me wonder how I can break the simluation's rules to my benefit.

Oh no, the universe is Cthulhu, the real truth will drive us mad, horrors luck out of sight to eat us all and if Azathoth wakes up, everything dies or goes mad? ...On one hand, kinda scary, on the other hand, this would just make me want to learn the true nature of things and risk insanity because it all sounds so damn nifty and I'm curious! (I'd the be second casualty in any lovecraft story, mark my words)

Oh no, the universe is completely deterministic and literally all our actions are decided in advance, free will is an illusion? Well, yeah, ok, this possibility actually does suck pretty bad. But all it'll do is make me sigh, go "oh well", reach for another cookie and enjoy it guilt free because, hey, it was meant to happen, and then just carry on with my life as normal.

Essentially, I fully embrace the idea that we make our own meaning. It feels so natural and obvious to me. So people going "Nothing has any meaning, nothing really matters!" does nothing for me.

I understand why they're upset, but it feels like those people who go "God isn't real?! Then there are no objective moral guidelines at all, nothing is immoral!" and I'm like "Uhh...Yeah there are? Suffering sucks and we should try to avoid causing it? Doing so makes life better for everyone including you, so I'd say that's pretty moral and right, no?"

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Why care about anything when the universe factors in every single possibility and outcome ever?

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I'm not saying make the movie about the existential dilemma of an actual multiverse, but at least have a realistic reaction towards the discovery, give the protagonist a solitary throwaway line acknowledging, fearing, musing about the possibilities, whatever. Everything was too matter of fact. These are really just nitpicks on my end, I liked the movie - I liked it enough that I'm disappointed by the things I wanted to see and didn't get.

 

[PapaGreg096]

Why care about anything when the universe factors in every single possibility and outcome ever?

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I'm not saying make the movie about the existential dilemma of an actual multiverse, but at least have a realistic reaction towards the discovery, give the protagonist a solitary throwaway line acknowledging, fearing, musing about the possibilities, whatever. Everything was too matter of fact. These are really just nitpicks on my end, I liked the movie - I liked it enough that I'm disappointed by the things I wanted to see and didn't get.

Why would he be musing about the possiblities its not like its an alternate universe where there are multiple Miles exist, its more vague like "What if Spiderman was in the Great Depression", "What if Spiderman was an anime character", "What if Gwen Stacy was bitten", or "What if Spiderman was a cartoon pig". Things like that instead of the whole "Miles meets alternate versions of himself and notice that he doesn't matter".