*SPOILER* Indiana Jones......

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Larmo

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I liked the movie and I enjoyed it all the way through but when people ask me I say "its a good movie and feels like a Jones film, but the aliens felt a bit lazy" and thats my only problem with it if felt like Lukas and Spielberg were rather unimaginative in the plot but the fights and effects were top notch.

and it looks like im not the only one who thinks so
 

Larenxis

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Temple of Doom could've been reasonable if it didn't have the most annoying female sidekick of all time! The first and the third movies are tied for best, then the fourth, then the second. I really hated that lady's voice and constant screaming. A lot.

I think the Aliens kind of worked with the general theme, except it holds less mystery. All of them involve Gods of some sort, but this time we got to meet God.

Oh! But question: How did the Holy Grail work? Did you have to drink it really often? 'Cause it seems like Henry Jones died a little young.
 

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Larenxis said:
Temple of Doom could've been reasonable if it didn't have the most annoying female sidekick of all time! The first and the third movies are tied for best, then the fourth, then the second. I really hated that lady's voice and constant screaming. A lot.
that's because temple of doom is a prequel to raiders of the lost ark, it takes place a year before raiders does and that screeching lady is steven speilberg's wife

Larenxis said:
Oh! But question: How did the Holy Grail work? Did you have to drink it really often? 'Cause it seems like Henry Jones died a little young.
no they explained it in the movie, the grail gives you eternal life but just within the walls of the temple, if you left you lost the power, hence why they could heal henry with the water but he ended up dying later

i did like the reference that marcus died first and then henry, cause the guy who played marcus is dead and well Sir Sean has retired from acting
 

Gahars

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It was good. Not as good as the any of the original trilogy, but I had a fun time watching it, and that's all I was really hoping for.

My one complaint: I don't think the Soviet's were evil enough to despise. I mean, Nazi's, oh yeah, I can really enjoy watching Indy take them down, but not so much for the russians.

I don't know
 

John Galt

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Since the Indy series is always a couple decades behind when it comes to fighting America's enemies, I'm holding out for when he fights Jihadists. Having the Soviets for enemies in this just wasn't all that good. Like Gahars said, they're evil, but not that evil.
 

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I feel like the ending was just a last minute thing thrown in there..

Writers: So then what? He puts the skull in place, and then what happens?

Writer 2: Give me a few days, it'll just come to me.

Months Later ----

Writer 2: SHIT SHIT...ok, ok...release date is in a month, don't rush, just...ah fuck it the aliens kill Miss mean Russian lady and then fly off in their mothership - Spielberg and Lucas will make it less "meh" somehow.

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Still, I loved indy 4, I wasn't too hard on it when I was "critiquing" it - I mean, he survived a nuke by hunkering down in a lead lined fridge.
 

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normally that would piss me off and have me leaving the theatre (i almost did for cloverfield). but surprisingly once i heard "aliens" i was slightly amused and found it humourous when the giant spaceship flew off and Indy just laughs it off as with the rest. "exuuuuuse me but i just saw aliens, wait no, interdemensional beings and no character gives a crap" is what i would've thought, but i didn't.
 

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omg i loved the new indie film although i do agree with everyone that the alien part of the story was a bit unusual to a Indiana Jones film and when they brought in that old girl friend of his i was like Who T.F. is that? It's been 20 years indie, you might as well bring shorty back jeez >>. overall i enjoy it alot and its good to see that they didn't totally fu** it up like switching Harrison Ford with some random dude.
 

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ElArabDeMagnifico said:
Writer 2: SHIT SHIT...ok, ok...release date is in a month, don't rush, just...ah fuck it the aliens kill Miss mean Russian lady and then fly off in their mothership - Spielberg and Lucas will make it less "meh" somehow.
did you watch the original 3?

let's recap

raiders - all the bad guys died at the end
temple of doom - all bad guys died at the end
last crusade - all the bad guys died at the end
crystal skull - all bad guys died at the end

so what's so different or hurried from the original 3? they all have the same thing happen at the end
 

chimmers

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one question
in the jungle car chase why didnt they use the big gun on the car to kill the woman?
they thought that jumping over with a sword was a better idea?
 

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it's just the way it ended for me was such a collosal letdown.

raiders = ark in plot was pretty original
doom = forgot, the whiny blond erased it from my mind
crusade = the cup of christ in plot was pretty original
crystal skull = aliens! *ugh* how unbelievably unoriginal! Also the skulls were shaped like greys. crystal skulls are shaped like i don't know..humans!! At least the other films props fit their plots.

let me put it this way, let's say you have a sequel to Clear and Present Danger and the hero Jack Ryan discovers... aliens at the end. Let's put Patriot Games sequels with.... aliens on the end of it... Why not House too? Or CSI? Because it would be the endless butt of jokes and it just feels cheap.

Sure, Raiders and others had supernatural elements, but they worked, and worked well. It fit somehow with a foggy understanding of human history, since Indy was I don't know...oh! oh!.. an archeologist!! Wow how about that.

I remember seeing Raiders 50 times (!!!). The music score as you hit the scene at the end before all the Nazi's die off is pure magic. The dramatic payoff is another reason why this is a classic top film of all time.

In crystal skull I could feel a collective groan in the theatre when the ship took off

It's not like Harrison Ford was 80 years old, they could have taken the time to actually write a script based on the characters.

This plot has already been done to better effect elsewhere. It's called "Stargate"
 

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sf2k said:
it's just the way it ended for me was such a collosal letdown.

raiders = ark in plot was pretty original
doom = forgot, the whiny blond erased it from my mind
crusade = the cup of christ in plot was pretty original
crystal skull = aliens! *ugh* how un-fu**ing-believable and unoriginal

let me put it this way, let's say you have a sequel to Clear and Present Danger and the hero Jack Ryan discovers aliens at the end. Let's put Patriot Games sequels with aliens on the end of it... Why not Friends too? Or CSI? Because it would be the butt of jokes and it just feels cheap.

yes Raiders and others had supernatural elements, but they worked, and worked well. It fit somehow with a foggy understanding of human history, since Indy was I don't know...oh oh.. an archeologist!! Wow how about that.
ok so i'm guessing you don't know much about history of stuff?

nazi's big on the occult on the verge of obsession, heck one of their main guys defected because of his horoscope

now fast forward 20 years to the 50s

america was in a cold war with russia, roswell hit and the russians were into telepathy and all that fun stuff

so follows the formula of what indy did, also him being an agent for the states, well that was mentioned in raiders

i'm probly one of the few ppl on this site that actually saw the original movies in theatres when they were on their original run, heck i saw STAR WARS when it was on it's original runs, it's one of my earliest childhood memories, can't say which is my earliest but it is in the top 5

as for it falling in line with the other 3 it does very much so. as for the originality of the original ones, they weren't very original, they were lifted from the pulp novels and serials of the 30s-60s
 

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I'm well aware of history and yes I did see star wars and raiders in theatres when I was a kid. Choosing aliens as your ending when it is currently the cop-out cultural joke that it is, for any writer, is just plain sad.

if you want to see a plot with archeology and aliens, see Stargate. That at least was in the same spirit as Indy
 

miraclefilms

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The problem, for me, was that the alien plot is, *ahem* well, alien, in an indy film.

The first 3 were based on the notion that religions mythology was true. The arc (jewish), the stones (i have no idea, but i guess some sort of indian tribe), and the grail (christian).
They were, in a sense, all "magical" plots.

Although the crystal skulls are painted as being deities, of some sort of Mayan civilization, the fact that they are explained as alien, crosses the line from (religious) fantasy, to sci-fi.

And I'm not saying that fantasy is better than sci-fi. It's just that this particular franchise is a fantasy one. Imagine that in "Lord of the Rings 4", Frodo boards a spaceship.

I guess had the movie not been an Indiana Jones film, but a stand alone summer adventure, I would've enjoyed it more. I wouldn't have had any problems with the aliens (although I would still be bitching about the refrigerator and the Tarzan scenes).
 

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I liked it, but I have to say I was sort of bummed about the ending. I agree with some of the others that there was a million different ways they could have taken the ending that could have been better.

As for it being better than Temple of Doom, I disagree. This movie was probably the worst out of all the Indiana Jones movies, but still a lot of fun to watch. Not once did I check my watch to see what time it was. Ark, Last, Doom, Skulls...that's the line-up...FTW.
 

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miraclefilms said:
The problem, for me, was that the alien plot is, *ahem* well, alien, in an indy film.

The first 3 were based on the notion that religions mythology was true. The arc (jewish), the stones (i have no idea, but i guess some sort of indian tribe), and the grail (christian).
They were, in a sense, all "magical" plots.
Hindu, I think.

And yes, I do agree. The jump from religious artifacts to alien artifacts seems like a huge change from previous installments. It made the film seem different when it was supposed to be , essentially, everything we knew and loved about the franchise in the eighties with the technology from today.

I don't know, maybe I'm nitpicking or going too deep into this. It's a fine movie, but I'm sure there were A) a lot more interesting artifacts out there for Indy to find or B) better directions to go with the Crystal skull plot point.
 

Sabbad

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Aliens don't belong in an Indiana Jones film.

It's like a sequel to Saving Private Ryan in which the Americans fight against a wizard.
 

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i thought it was a decent movie. i hadnt watched the other indy movies since probably 3rd grade so i forgot how fantasy they were. so i walked into the movie expecting a movie alot closer to realistic. then after the first hour, i got used to the "no way in hell that could ever happen" it was pretty fun.

and yeah i agree. archeology, mythology and tales of a REALLY long time ago=indy
indy+aliens=scifi indiana jones should not be scifi

SPOILERS

the things that did make me mad at the movie was

-tarzan scene....that had no logic to it at all. do monkeys hate russians trying to steal skulls?
-the suriviving a nuke in a fridge scene. lets forget the nuclear part of it and all the detailed stuff that would happen. if your in a metal box and get blown 500 feet and your rattling around inside only way you will come out of there in in a cup.
- why did the jungle have 2 lanes after cutter got killed, and why did it randomly have trees to mark the middle of the road.

other small annoyances were
-why no one could aim a gun. i understand you cant shoot them or else story over, but if there are 3 gunners in the car 5 feet away from you.....SOMEONE WILL GET HIT
-and the first chase scene with car v motorcycle. in the 60's cars manuvering sucked, so if you stop your motorcyle, turn 180degrees, they will have to do a 4 point turn at the least to get back on your tail