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Ryotknife

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another part is that it is not "hip" to be a square-enix fan. almost for the same reason it is no longer hip to say that FF7 was a great game (or at the very least mention that FF6 is inferior to 7). 12 years ago people would come in droves saying how great it was and there would be a fierce debate between 6 and 7. now, if in a FF debate you dont profess your love of FF6 then your opinion is immediately disregarded in almost the same fashion as those who liked (not loved) ff 13. im not going to lie, i didnt like FF6.

Kefka was the only thing keeping that game from being one of the worst in my mind. he carried that game on his back like an evil atlas. That, and unlike sephiroth (another villian favorite of mine), kefka has actually aged well whereas sephs bad#$% imagery as faded with sequels/guest appearances. in fact he just comes across as creepy (although dissidia seems to redeem him a bit). as you can imagine, i loved kefka, but that is not enough to make a game great in my mind.

I liked FF13, and im not afraid to admit it. the game has flaws. oh boy did the game have flaws. extremely linear, 35 hour tutorial, and held your hand WAY too much in the begining. and to top it off vanille. i have never hated any characters very existence as much as i hated hers. in fact the only time her character was manageable was when she was suicidal. however, its strengths (graphics, music, battle system, villian dialog, character development) outweighed its flaws. that said, i can perfectly understand why someone would believe why the strengths dont outweigh its flaws, thats fine.

i liked sazh, lightning, snow, and hope. the combat system is the best one i have experienced to date in any rpg. I dont mind cutscenes within reason (45 minutes straight of cutscenes with no breather), in fact the story is the main reason for me to play a JRPG and cutscenes are some of the best ways to move the story forward. If you dont like cutscenes or lengthy stories then you should not play JRPGs are stick with WRPGs where the story does not get in the way of the action.




yes, im a bit apprehensive about SE strategy as of late. it seems like they are trying to go the route EA did in the early 2000's by squeezing money out of the names of their big franchises rather than making great games (front mission evolved, im looking at YOU!)
 

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First off, I actually enjoyed Final Fantasy XIII and have been enjoying Final Fantasy XIII-2, so I don't think your statement of them being crap should be used as more than an opinion. I haven't played either MMO's though (my rule being to refuse to play any game with a monthly fee), so I don't know how good or bad they are outside of other people's opinions.

Second, doing a complete HD remake of Final Fantasy VII would be major investment in resources. Final Fantasy XIII had the advantage of a fairly linear layout and no town locations and it still took four years to make it look as good as it did! Now imagine having to do all of that for a game of VII's depth and complexity. Sure, they would have the bare bone basic designs to work off of, but they're still going to remodel and reprogram every aspect of the game to fit with today's standards. We're talking about a project that would take at least six years to complete (the time it's currently taking to make Versus XIII), and that's if we're being conservative.

Comparing with Xenoblade Chronicles, a game developed for the Wii which, while complex in gameplay, is of lower graphical and presentation quality than what graphical whore Square Enix would do for an HD console release. And that took them four years as well: http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/iwata/iwata_asks_xenoblade_chronicles_32883_33157.html
 

Ryotknife

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see now, i cant really see a remake of FF7 being that bad resource wise.

i mean, they already have the music (they can use remixed versions from advent children or black mages)

they have the story

they have the dialogue

they have the voice actors

all that is left is the graphic engine (and hell, when ps3 first came out they had a FF7 teaser). but what do i know?
 

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As the Jimquisition has stated, Square Enix just likes to announce new games without any definitive plans to release them within the same year that they were announced. They have a laundry list of titles to get through or scrap before they can even get to some obvious fan requests, like Final Fantasy VII with an HD twist.

They should stop announcing anything that sounds like a good idea, and just focus on finishing what's on their plate before asking for seconds or thirds.
 

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I don't understand... what's wrong with the original FFVII? I thought nostalgia blinds us to graphical inferiority...
 

ImProvGamr

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Ryotknife said:
see now, i cant really see a remake of FF7 being that bad resource wise.

i mean, they already have the music (they can use remixed versions from advent children or black mages)

they have the story

they have the dialogue

they have the voice actors

all that is left is the graphic engine (and hell, when ps3 first came out they had a FF7 teaser). but what do i know?
Thing is, the modeling and the programming are the two hardest and most time consuming parts of making a video game. The dialogue and story are very small parts in development compared to the whole of the entire game. The character models from the game were simplistic that they couldn't be usable at all in a new release. Same for the environments. They'd also have to change the game engine and do a lot of reprogramming.

Just because a game was done back in the early era of 3D gaming doesn't mean that it's readily available for a remake/re-release, unless you want to put it onto handheld or online market. Which is why it has been released on the PSN.

Fappy said:
I don't understand... what's wrong with the original FFVII? I thought nostalgia blinds us to graphical inferiority...
Hell, I didn't play it until 2008 and still enjoyed it. It doesn't need to be remade for it to have any appeal, especially to JRPG fans and the retro crowd.
 

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Quite frankly I think SE is in the right to stay away from the FF7 remake. No matter how desperately the fans want it. It is impossible for them to meet the expectations of an already extremely good game which many have as the greatest of all time, then make it even better.

FF needs a kick in the pants. If I were SE I'd go back to the medieval setting. They've gone with the fantasy future world approach for a while now. Going back to the medieval setting might do it well.

They could still have magic or some plot device power source power their moving/flying/sailing/dancing castle or whatever would be in the cutscenes.
 

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The only complaints I heard about the OOT remake was the usual people bitching that Nintendo were whoring out their properties again.

Agreed that Square need to deliver on V and VI DS/3DS/PSP remakes already. They promised them years ago but once IV was done it kinda got hushed up.

But the thing I don't understand is if they don't want to go ahead and remake the entire thing surely they could slightly tweak some things and throw it at the 3DS or PSP?

Of course people will then complain that they can't play it on their HD consoles...despite having the game to download on the PSN anyways.

Im not sure if they can do Xenogears since what is now Monolith Studios developed it and square only published.

I would love to see the continuation of Xenosaga into the final 5th chapter like it was originally planned, although I will not mind if they just decide to sidestep the whole drama and angst of the Xenosaga Universe and just carry on the Adventures of Kosmos in the Endless Frontier.
They probably could but it would be restricted to a DS/3D/Wii since I belive Monolith is now a Nintendo property
 

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Awexsome said:
FF needs a kick in the pants. If I were SE I'd go back to the medieval setting. They've gone with the fantasy future world approach for a while now. Going back to the medieval setting might do it well.
I don't agree that it's impossible for Square to satisfy Final Fantasy VII fans with a remake. Though it would be best to poll them frequently on the direction it is taking.

I do however agree that Square should do another Sword and Sorcery video game. Square, when it comes to Final Fantasy games, are at their best when they're making cute fantasy games. I'm DYING for another Final Fantasy IX.
 

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boag said:
I would love to see the continuation of Xenosaga into the final 5th chapter like it was originally planned, although I will not mind if they just decide to sidestep the whole drama and angst of the Xenosaga Universe and just carry on the Adventures of Kosmos in the Endless Frontier.
yeah that would be interesting to, but why in the Endless Frontier? I kinda want them to reunite Kos-Mos and Shion and do some sort of time traveling story ala Chrono Trigger. I dunno I just like to see Shion and Kos-Mos together :)
 

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LilithSlave said:
FF needs a kick in the pants. If I were SE I'd go back to the medieval setting. They've gone with the fantasy future world approach for a while now. Going back to the medieval setting might do it well.
but they can't go back to medieval setting, that would make it Dragon Quest on that note they can't go to the future either as that would make it Star Ocean. They need to find a medium that's neither future nor past, rather a mixture of both will always work best, which is probably why everyone liked VI, VII, VIII, IX, and X
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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LilithSlave said:
Awexsome said:
FF needs a kick in the pants. If I were SE I'd go back to the medieval setting. They've gone with the fantasy future world approach for a while now. Going back to the medieval setting might do it well.
I don't agree that it's impossible for Square to satisfy Final Fantasy VII fans with a remake. Though it would be best to poll them frequently on the direction it is taking.

I do however agree that Square should do another Sword and Sorcery video game. Square, when it comes to Final Fantasy games, are at their best when they're making cute fantasy games. I'm DYING for another Final Fantasy IX.
Me too. I hate FF13 but I'm really enjoying 13-2 a return to black mages and flying castles could be just what the series needs.

When I get some pennies I'm buying the FF3 remake on DS for just that reason.
 

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I adored FFVII and wouldnt necessarily want to see a remake, its a classic for a reason. Its simple charm is what holds it up in the world, not everything needs to have physx, shiny graphics and and a remake.
This.

FFVII is what it is, and for me it was glorious. It was the first game I REALLY got into, and the first time I really saw that you could weave a story and gameplay together to make one whole product. And FORTY hours!? HOLY SHIT! I'd never heard of such a thing.

It seems like it hasn't aged well to some people (Lego graphics, localization typos galore, and borderline chiptune music), but I have just as much fun as I ever did playing it now almost fifteen years later (Jesus... I'm getting old).

I don't mind when they make games or movies in the same universe (Dirge of Cerberus notwithstanding). Crisis Core was actually a lot better than I ever would have guessed, but an HD remake of the original game? No, thank you. I wouldn't change a thing about FFVII.

rhizhim said:
that's why we have titles like Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball and Rumble Roses
Hey come on now, Rumble Roses was a legitim-HAHAHAHA Okay sorry... thought I could get through it with a straight face.