SSBM to SSBB, what should of been kept over

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Krafty_Krocodile

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Hey Escapist and the people who populate this forum. the other day I found my missing SSBM so being me I played it and completed it and what not then going back to do some brawling online I felt like something was left out, but cutting to the chase.
5 things that should of stayed on to brawl​

1. Adventure mode. Subspace emissary was great, but it felt tedious as well. what I would like to see was the original adventure mode along side SSE. Adventure mode was a short burst of fighting with certain things happening (like fighting metal Mario and metal Luigi)

2. The stages. I'm glad many of the stages returned into brawl, but some of the unique ones were unfortunately removed. like the rotating Metroid prime arena (I forgot the name) was a favourite of mine.

3. Some of the moves. when SSBB came out many changes were made to the existing movesets of characters. Mario down+B move was changed from the spin to fludd, this would be good if fludd wasn't so crap! all it seems to do is push you back. Kirby also felt a bit of a hit from this by removing his running+B move from Fire (K64) to the Hammer.

4. Unique ways to collecting characters. SSBM took me about 5 days to get all the characters. the many unique ways of getting the characters made melee a game that lets you get used to the play style before throwing more characters at you. in brawl you can get all the characters in SSE

5. Mewtwo. I was quite reluctant to put this on the list since I know about the war that happened between Lucario fans and Mewtwo fans. I liked Mewtwo in melee, he was fast and powerful and hypnosis came a lot of help against my friends and overcoming many challenges

and 3 things that they shouldn't of added in brawl​

1. Tabuu. wait what? okay allow me to explain. I found tabuu unoriginal compared to Master hand. I feel that they only added him in because Master hand didn't seem threatening enough.

2. That fire emblem stage, I seriously have no idea how that links to any fire emblem game at all. of they needed a stage then why didn't they do the final level in Fe8 where the demon king/Lyon appears in the background and mess around with the characters (like putting them to sleep and such)

3. The character line up / movesets. allow me to sum them up easily
Marth: Learn to fight in your own game before fighting in others
Jigglypuff: *twitch*
Falco: you can kick your reflector thing, big whoop.
Ganondorf: YOU HAVE SWORDS DAMN IT
Diddy kong: why must half of your attacks need charging before being useful?
Toon link: so much potential, and yet your a link close, of course he's faster and what not but the moves are basic the same.

Comments please?

1. i was going to complain about wolf but he wont let me do that (I know dumb joke)
2. hearing the announcer say "giant metal snake" gives a few minutes of immature amusement
3. fighting on the back of Entei was cool
4. i never understood why Mowth was removed from melee, apparently Meowth was going to be in SSB1 but was removed for unknown reason, why they didn't add him as playable melee is beyond me, they did add him as a pokeball in melee(unsure) and brawl but being able to play as him would be cool.
(please not: some of the things I said were exaggerated.)
EDIT added "/ moveset since I think I gave the wrong impression when it came to that part, like I thought it was cool adding Diddy Kong into it yet i felt his moveset was lacking.
 

Simple Bluff

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Oh my God, I had completely forgotten about Master Hand and all the woe he caused me. Especially that level where there were two, took me ages to get past that one.
I can't pin down why, but I just didn't like Brawl. I was very bored after the first 20 minutes or so. It had been a while since I played Melee, so I had expected the experiance to be a little fresh, but I just couldn't get into it.
 

TK421

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I agree with all of your remarks. Also, why on God's green earth did they add Lucas?? They could have had Mewtwo and Lucario.
 

worldrummer

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ugh yeah. why would they add characters from OTHER games, when they could've just made it a purely pokemon title? good point. and "should of" is ridiculous. it's should've or should have. who knew hooked on phonics could make typos like that?
 

tlozoot

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Huh? Toon Link is badass. He's my main guy.

They should not of added in tripping. If people want to play your game competetively let them Nintendo, don't go putting in random things like that out of sheer spite.
 

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TK421 said:
I agree with all of your remarks. Also, why on God's green earth did they add Lucas?? They could have had Mewtwo and Lucario.
i like Lucas. Mewtwo was awesome, he is at the top of my list of things i wish they left in. he was AWESOME. Olimar needs to jump off a cliff.

Krafty_Krocodile said:
1. Adventure mode. Subspace emissary was great, but it felt tedious as well. what I would like to see was the original adventure mode along side SSE. Adventure mode was a short burst of fighting with certain things happening (like fighting metal Mario and metal Luigi)
i prefer SSE over the SSBM Adventure Mode. granted there were a few places i thought 'this is a bit samey' but it was still SO much better than the other one.

2. The stages. I'm glad many of the stages returned into brawl, but some of the unique ones were unfortunately removed. like the rotating Metroid prime arena (I forgot the name) was a favourite of mine.
there were a few stages they took out i hoped they'd leave in but none that i miss. the spinny one you mentioned was OK but nothing special. if they took out Hyrule Castle i would have cried.

3. Some of the moves. when SSBB came out many changes were made to the existing movesets of characters. Mario down+B move was changed from the spin to fludd, this would be good if fludd wasn't so crap! all it seems to do is push you back. Kirby also felt a bit of a hit from this by removing his running+B move from Fire (K64) to the Hammer.
Mario's Down+B move sucks. though the Spin is still there as his Meteor Smash they should have left it as it was. a few of the characters have been adjusted, Link's moves aren't as visually great, Jigglypuff's sleep thing isn't as powerful. i suppose it was to make them more balanced.

4. Unique ways to collecting characters. SSBM took me about 5 days to get all the characters. the many unique ways of getting the characters made melee a game that lets you get used to the play style before throwing more characters at you. in brawl you can get all the characters in SSE
YES. getting them in SSE unlocks them in the rest of the game which kinda makes getting all the characters a little too easy. SSBM did it right

5. Mewtwo. I was quite reluctant to put this on the list since I know about the war that happened between Lucario fans and Mewtwo fans. I liked Mewtwo in melee, he was fast and powerful and hypnosis came a lot of help against my friends and overcoming many challenges
see further up, Mewtwo was AWESOME.


1. Tabuu. wait what? okay allow me to explain. I found tabuu unoriginal compared to Master hand. I feel that they only added him in because Master hand didn't seem threatening enough.
i like Tabuu, he has some great moves and is really hard. fighting him is more fun than the Hands

2. That fire emblem stage, I seriously have no idea how that links to any fire emblem game at all. of they needed a stage then why didn't they do the final level in Fe8 where the demon king/Lyon appears in the background and mess around with the characters (like putting them to sleep and such)
not played Fire Emblam so can't really comment

3. The character line up. allow me to sum them up easily
Marth: Learn to fight in your own game before fighting in others
Jigglypuff: *twitch*
Falco: you can kick your reflector thing, big whoop.
Ganondorf: YOU HAVE SWORDS DAMN IT
Diddy kong: why must half of your attacks need charging before being useful?
Toon link: so much potential, and yet your a link close, of course he's faster and what not but the moves are basic the same.'
we could say stuff about every character but i'll save that for another day (though Young Link was SO much better than Toon Link and i've wondered why Ganondorf never used that AWESOME looking sword)

Comments please?
see above :)

1. i was going to complain about wolf but he wont let me do that (I know dumb joke) - can't let you do that, Star Fox!
2. hearing the announcer say "giant metal snake" gives a few minutes of immature amusement - i'm with you on that one
3. fighting on the back of Entei was cool - Pokefloats? that was fun
(please not: some of the things I said were exaggerated.)
there were a few Events i was hoping would make a comeback, namely Legendary Pokemon, that Event was teh BEST.
 

Krafty_Krocodile

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tlozoot said:
Huh? Toon Link is badass. He's my main guy.

They should not of added in tripping. If people want to play your game competetively let them Nintendo, don't go putting in random things like that out of sheer spite.
there should of been a mode to turn off things like that, so people who want to mess about can, and those who want play seriously wont get annoyed by petty things
 

Twilight.falls

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I agree with most of your points, however:

Falco is not even remotely close to Fox now, other than similar B moves he has a unique moveset.
Not like in Melee where he was essentially a slower Fox.

Second, Mario's FLUDD is very useful, edgeguarding for the win!

I agree though, Ganondorf should have used his sword. I feel insulted by Nintendo to have the sword used only as a taunt.

IT'S RIGHT THERE. YOU PULLED IT OUT BUT YOU ONLY LOOK AT IT? WHY NOT HURT PEOPLE WITH IT.
 

Krafty_Krocodile

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worldrummer said:
ugh yeah. why would they add characters from OTHER games, when they could've just made it a purely pokemon title? good point. and "should of" is ridiculous. it's should've or should have. who knew hooked on phonics could make typos like that?
I welcome you to the escapist, but I don't remember saying in there it should be a purely pokémon fighting when i suggested removing Jigglypuff and put Mewtwo back, and if I was complaining about adding characters from other games the snake and sonic would of been the hotspots for me. Finally I'm sorry for any typos I make, I'm only human.
 

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Broady Brio said:
Roy. He was superior to Marth.
He just got replaced with Ike. Who is arguably as badass as Roy was.

OT: I definitely miss adventure mode and several levels from Melee. I put many, many hours into that game in my youth.
 

miscelaneous

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Fast falls should have stayed, and I down right hate unlimited air dodging.

EDIT: The guy below is correct, too damn slow. Also, the low gravity is aggrevating.
 

Terminate421

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How about just make mewtwo a skin change since both lucario and mewtwo have the same moves?

Also, Ike is WAY over powered. I cannot tell you how many times I am killed because of his left/right A

Online is impossible to play with out shitty connections
 

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tlozoot said:
Huh? Toon Link is badass. He's my main guy.

They should not of added in tripping. If people want to play your game competetively let them Nintendo, don't go putting in random things like that out of sheer spite.
young link> toon link*1000000
 

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rileyrulesu said:
tlozoot said:
Huh? Toon Link is badass. He's my main guy.

They should not of added in tripping. If people want to play your game competetively let them Nintendo, don't go putting in random things like that out of sheer spite.
young link> toon link*1000000
More like times ten to the power of CHRIST!!!
 

tlozoot

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rileyrulesu said:
tlozoot said:
Huh? Toon Link is badass. He's my main guy.

They should not of added in tripping. If people want to play your game competetively let them Nintendo, don't go putting in random things like that out of sheer spite.
young link> toon link*1000000
I'm inclined to disagree, if only because Toon Links taunt isn't IMA DRINK SOME MILK. HOW YA LIEK THAT? YEAH I JUS- *Gets killed by respawned enemy*
 

Krafty_Krocodile

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Terminate421 said:
How about just make mewtwo a skin change since both lucario and mewtwo have the same moves?
some ppl with homebrew has done that and mewtwo and lucario have different moves :/ lucario was more punching and kicking and stuff when mewtwo is more psychic abilities.