Star Trek: Discovery "First Look" Trailer

[pookie101]

So... the new teaser will tend to ring false to any long time fan because it's obviously trying to check SJW boxes and be adventurous rather than simply being meaningful and wondrous.

A long time fan would be aware Kirk kissed a black women in the 1960's and that Gene Roddenberry's vision involved equality.

A long time fan would know there was a specific episode in TNG where Riker fell in love with a transgender alien.

A long time fan would know Sisko had an episode entirely devoted to racism in the 1960's.

A long term fan would know DS9 had lesbian kissing.

A long term fan would know Sisko refused to go in a holosweet because it removed racism.

A long term fan would know The Undiscovered Country was a Cold War message.

A long term fan would know we have had black, Asian and woman Captains decades before.

I don't want to insult anyone, but anyone complaining about "teh SJW" basically knows absolutely nothing about Star Trek, and probably (rightly) not be taken seriously by anyone with even a remote knowledge of the series.

It's bandwagon chasing, rather than actual fans. Zarna Joshi's looking for an excuse to be triggered.

if any of the shows were aired now for the first time people would be complaining about SJW's forcing their agenda on them

weirdly Seth MacFarlane's new show the orville is looking more star trek than star trek these days

I am big Trek fan and rewatching TNG and remembering just how fucking good that show was but is it wrong that I am looking forward to The Orville more than I am Discovery?

I really like Michelle Yeoh, and I feel a TV format will give me the Star Trek experience I crave since the movies aren't doing it for me but I think they should be doing 200 years after DS9/VOY and not 10 years before Kirk and Spock. After all, Star Trek is about moving forwards to bigger and better and sticking itself in some kind of dead zone between the franchise's original gangster and red headed step-child is just going to leave them with fuck all to do that will have meaningful impact.

It would actually have been quite good to have a Trek set shortly after the events depicted in the Trek 2009. Imagine the Alpha Quadrant having to deal with one of the primary races having had it's home world destroyed. Yeah the Romulans were always the bad guys but can you imagine how destablizing it would have been for something like that to happen.

You would have a Starfleet having to weigh up the ideology of help and assistance on one hand but facing up against a once powerful and now highly destabilized Romulan peoples looking to cope with the lose of it's home world. The potential break down of the neutral zone and long standing treaties and the potential for anyone of the other big races in the Alpha Quadrant wanting to take advantage of the situation. The only problem being you would have to ignore the fact that Voyager's last episode gave Starfleet access to tech that would pretty much own any other race in the Quadrant.

A long time fan would know there was a specific episode in TNG where Riker fell in love with a transgender alien.

Was the character Transgender, I thought the character was Asexual, more specifically their race set out to be Asexual but the character in question ended up identifying themselves as female.

I know right? It's almost as if they think, that if Rodenberry had access to today's level of materials and technology to MAKE his show, he would've stuck with styrofoam cups and blinking lights. Because you know, that's what he felt it would REALLY look like in the future.

Let's face it if Prometheus and Covenant can make it work then surely Trek can. The tech in both those movies look miles better than anything you saw on the Nostromo but it works, make the background and scene fit with the thematic setting of the Universe and yeah you can have holo tables that map the terrain where as in the first movie they had what amounted to a dot matrix CRT doing the same thing.

yeah technically the species involved refused to acknowledge "gender". as for would the person be considered transgender.. good question.. they were transgender in in regards to their species and society. kind of trippy to see things reversed like that i will admit

 

[Hawki]

I am big Trek fan and rewatching TNG and remembering just how fucking good that show was but is it wrong that I am looking forward to The Orville more than I am Discovery?

Orvile? What is this Orville that you speak of?

(Looks it up)

No. No it definately isn't wrong.

 

[happyninja42]

yeah technically the species involved refused to acknowledge "gender". as for would the person be considered transgender.. good question.. they were transgender in in regards to their species and society. kind of trippy to see things reversed like that i will admit

If we are using the term transgender to refer to people who identify with a gender that is different from what they were born as, then yes I would say that the term would be applicable to a species that is normally non-gender, and someone then identifies to the male or female spectrum.

And I'm not sure it was "reversed" so much as they were starting from a Neutral Gender state, and then shifting. To use a math term, they were starting a 0, and then shifted to positive or negative number. For us, the only difference is we already start at either 1, or -1, and then just switch.

 

[pookie101]

yeah technically the species involved refused to acknowledge "gender". as for would the person be considered transgender.. good question.. they were transgender in in regards to their species and society. kind of trippy to see things reversed like that i will admit

If we are using the term transgender to refer to people who identify with a gender that is different from what they were born as, then yes I would say that the term would be applicable to a species that is normally non-gender, and someone then identifies to the male or female spectrum.

And I'm not sure it was "reversed" so much as they were starting from a Neutral Gender state, and then shifting. To use a math term, they were starting a 0, and then shifted to positive or negative number. For us, the only difference is we already start at either 1, or -1, and then just switch.

you cheated .. you brought logic and maths to the discussion

 

[Exley97_v1legacy]

Like others here, I found the trailer okay but generally uninspiring. I loved the lead actress in The Walking Dead, so it's got that going for it. We'll see...

I'll echo the comments that it looks too much like the movies, not enough like the series.

And what have they done to the Klingons!

Two things. First, I think a more modern, movie-like look isn't a bad thing. I think the two most recent Trek series suffered with extremely cheap-looking and dated production/visuals, and when you compare Enterprise, for example, to a contemporary like Battlestar Galactica, the discrepancy is pretty glaring.

Second, if those are definitely Klingons, then...well, it's certainly interesting. I can't be bothered much by since we don't know if those are definitely Klingons, and if ALL Klingons will look that way on the show, plus we've seen this types of changes within species appearances between shows and even DURING TV/movie series. For example, the Klingons in TMP don't really look like the Klingons in the later movies.

The simple fact is - Star Trek, REAL Star Trek doesn't make for interesting trailers and trailers that look like the modern Abrams-verse or check too many OBVIOUS SJW boxes misses the point.

I was going to reply to this one with a lengthy post regarding the "SJW boxes" argument, but others have beaten me to the punch with strong responses, so I'll just say this: I can respect the viewpoints of many hardcore Trek fans who dislike the Abrams reboots, even if I disagree with those takes, but what I don't respect, and never will, is a lecture about what "REAL" Star Trek is from someone using the term "SJW."

 

[Breakdown]

Like others here, I found the trailer okay but generally uninspiring. I loved the lead actress in The Walking Dead, so it's got that going for it. We'll see

From the trailer though it looks like she's basically going to be girl Spock, torn between her Vulcan upbringing and her human nature. She even has Spock's dad as a father figure!

The other characters will end up teaching her about exploring her emotions, trusting her instincts, and how to be human.

 

[happyninja42]

yeah technically the species involved refused to acknowledge "gender". as for would the person be considered transgender.. good question.. they were transgender in in regards to their species and society. kind of trippy to see things reversed like that i will admit

If we are using the term transgender to refer to people who identify with a gender that is different from what they were born as, then yes I would say that the term would be applicable to a species that is normally non-gender, and someone then identifies to the male or female spectrum.

And I'm not sure it was "reversed" so much as they were starting from a Neutral Gender state, and then shifting. To use a math term, they were starting a 0, and then shifted to positive or negative number. For us, the only difference is we already start at either 1, or -1, and then just switch.

you cheated .. you brought logic and maths to the discussion

In the words of Van Helsing