Does anyone else think that people who hate that Lucas changed his original films yet want Bioware to change/alter/supplement the ending to ME3 are hypocrites?
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No. For the same reasons I gave you last time. Again, people complain not because Lucas changes the films, but because Lucas's changes make the films worse. Conversely, people asking for a change to ME3's ending do so on the grounds that it was of poor quality both in execution and content (including more than a few literary faux pas and plotholes)
Yes. I'm of the opinion that it shouldn't be changed just because you don't like the ending. Its just a part of life, endings won't always be as awesome and wonderful as you think they should be, the good guys don't always win, the day isn't always saved, and the actions of a few don't always make everything better for everyone else. Of course, there is the counter argument that the difference is that George Lucas changed those things on a whim because he though it would be better, not to mention the things that were changed were pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, thus making the argument that its not a good comparison, but I'm inclined to agree with the OP.
No. Because a) I wanted more closure to the end of Mass Effect and b) I thought that all the Star Wars films were all crap anyway (that includes the original movies too *gasp*)
Why does no one get what we're actually annoyed about?GrimTuesday said:
To be honest, the primary problem with the endings which outweighs all the other problems of choice and depression is that IT DOESN'T. MAKE. SENSE. It completely destroys the lore and everything that's been set up, there wasn't even any build up and we aren't even allowed to argue at the end of the game with
The Catalyst
Why is the Normandy fleeing? What is that light? How in the hell can synthetics and organics suddenly become the same!? The Reapers intentions make no sense and break ME1's established lore.
And so, so many more questions and reasons why the ending doesn't make sense at all.
I was prepared for a depressing ending (even though they said it would be bittersweet when it's actually grimdark and there's no happiness at all), including with Shepard dieing but what I wasn't prepared for was something that doesn't even make sense.
Plus the biggest plothole of all. The reapers would have won if the catalyst didn't bring you up on his magic elevator and give you the choice to kill them -.-Flamezdudes said:
OP: Watch this:
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That probably doesn't even cover half of the problems with the ending but hopefully you'll see why people have been complaining.
No, the original star wars was good, so changing it like that is considered making it worse, whereas the mass effect ending was bad because it was senseless, the point is that they want the ending changed to make the game better, and the dont want changes in star wars so that it will stay better.
Frankly im just tired of the bitching, I don't like the ending in the slightest bit, but Bioware doesnt give a shit. they said their going to add stuff to the end, but not change their vision, so basically they believe their ending makes sense, and is only doing this to shut people up. And i really think other game companies are backing up bioware so they wont have to deal with fan reactions like that in the future, even though on april first many of those same developers made fun of bioware for the shitty ending they made. Its all just getting annoying, but I wont be buying any dlc for mass effect as its all pointless to me
Frankly im just tired of the bitching, I don't like the ending in the slightest bit, but Bioware doesnt give a shit. they said their going to add stuff to the end, but not change their vision, so basically they believe their ending makes sense, and is only doing this to shut people up. And i really think other game companies are backing up bioware so they wont have to deal with fan reactions like that in the future, even though on april first many of those same developers made fun of bioware for the shitty ending they made. Its all just getting annoying, but I wont be buying any dlc for mass effect as its all pointless to me
Maybe I have a different point of view since i grew up with the original altered trilogy coming out in theaters when i was young but also had the original unaltered trilogy on vhs. It didnt really bother me back then. However, I believe changing any art is just stupid. I'll skip the whole analogy about changing a classic piece of art, but it really does come right down to it. If gamers want video games to be taken seriously as art, then there shouldn't be so much complaining and petitioning for changes. I know this happened with Sherlock Holmes, but that is an exception, not a regularity. The real question I should have asked is "Do gamers want to set the precedent as games to be a product for consumers to buy (where such complaints could make sense) or pieces of art for us to enjoy/criticize (without us calling out for changes to whatever we dislike)?"
*Ahem*flecker080 said:
Fallout 3: Broken Steel
Asura's Wrath
InFamous 2
NwN2: Mask of the Betrayer Expansion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_ending
Mass Effect 3 was never going to set a precedent, it is simply the one in the spotlight right now. Art as an evolving and changing design had the precedent set before most of us were even born. Don't give us that argument.
Im starting to get the feeling that... this will never end. Either the world will still be ranting and railing on this a decade from now or itis going to fall and crumble into Apocalypse at the end of the year, and even then those left would STILL be bitching about it.
My bad, I haven't been able to stay as up to date with all the video game controversies as I would like with real life regrettably getting in the way(quite depressing how work, school and a girlfriend can take away from one of the greatest things in the world imo) . Thanks for the new info. Regardless, if it is not a precedent then it is an alarming trend. Gamers today are becoming a toddler that always get what they want. If we cry long and hard enough, we will get what we want (sometimes). If this truly turns into a trend, then we might just grow into a snotty brat who thinks we deserve whatever we want. I am not saying this is necessarily the worst thing; I am just looking for other people's opinions.
viranimus said:
haha, should any type of zombie apocaypse ever come; I can just hear the complainers now, " What the fuck?!? Zombies aren't supposed to be able to run. They can only slowly shamble towards me."
Fallout 3: Broken Steel was and add on that changed the ending to the main story. I know that for sure so yeah it has been done before.CriticKitten said:
the ending actually does make sense with indoctrination theorySmithburg said:
if in indoctrination theory were true then it would be brilliant
HOWEVER thats probably too much to hope for, I dont see how they are going to make sense of this with a few cutscenes
we just hav eot wait and see