Star Wars and Mass Effect Fanatics

[Kinguendo]

Does anyone else think that people who hate that Lucas changed his original films yet want Bioware to change/alter/supplement the ending to ME3 are hypocrites?

Have you seen the CGI singing alien in Jabbas Palace? Case closed.

 

[Erttheking]

Well here's the thing, if you like the changes or not, there is still a version that you like in Star Wars, where as in Mass Effect, we only have one ending...one shitty ending. Also there's that whole "you can use the same solution to every problem" thing.

 

[Asita]

Yeah, someone else already pointed that out.

Regardless, my point of view stands. I don't think it's a good idea to change a game's plot or ending because the fans don't like it. Fix broken game mechanics? Absolutely. Add DLC to the end that allows you to continue the story? Sure. Completely alter the ending? Not a good idea, never will be a good idea either. Doesn't matter how many times it's happened before.

Define. I can get behind that notion so long as 'dislike' is the main criticism. In this case, however, I cannot get behind it because 'dislike' is a relatively minor criticism in the scheme of the complaints, which tend more to reflect on objective narrative problems[footnote]Such as plotholes, a complete eschewing of falling action/denoument and catharsis, inconsistent characterization, new elements that further complicate the plot introduced during the climax, sudden genre shift in the last few lines of dialogue, replacing the central conflict (Stop the Reapers, replaced with "Fix Organic v. Synthetic Relations") in the last scene of a trilogy, ignoring plot elements (Notably the results of the Quarian/Geth conflict ALWAYS cast doubt on the climax's claim about Organic v. Synthetic relations regardless of outcome) and the fact that the apparent message (at least the one people seem to be walking away with) feels about as much at odds with the tone of the rest of the series as this is with the tone of Tom & Jerry[/footnote] rather than simply not liking the ending. Make no mistake, the ending is certainly reviled, but that's largely a consequence of the aforementioned narrative flaws rather than an independent factor. When so much of the criticism is aimed at issues that like this, auteur theory (which itself has questionable application here due to all signs pointing to this being a last minute change rather than a solid artistic vision) ceases to apply, as at that point we're talking about quality control that should have been caught and fixed in editing.

 

[tthor]

I say we just lock all the star wars and mass effect fanatics in an arena, then have someone yell "Mass Effect sucks, Star Wars rules", and just sit back and enjoy show..

 

[Innegativeion]

No. For the same reasons I gave you last time. Again, people complain not because Lucas changes the films, but because Lucas's changes make the films worse. Conversely, people asking for a change to ME3's ending do so on the grounds that it was of poor quality both in execution and content (including more than a few literary faux pas and plotholes)

Truly spoken like Mordin Solus himself.

Also read in his voice.

 

[Rylingo]

Does anyone else think that people who hate that Lucas changed his original films yet want Bioware to change/alter/supplement the ending to ME3 are hypocrites?

No.

Lucas changed the Star Wars series for the worse.
ME fans want to change ME3 for the better.

There is no hypocrisy.

 

[Samantha Burt]

*Ahem*

Fallout 3: Broken Steel

Asura's Wrath

InFamous 2

NwN2: Mask of the Betrayer Expansion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_ending

Mass Effect 3 was never going to set a precedent, it is simply the one in the spotlight right now. Art as an evolving and changing design had the precedent set before most of us were even born. Don't give us that argument.

I notice that if you look at the list of video games with multiple endings, Mass Effect is not included. xD

 

[Vault101]

It would work if they just added cutscenes for the renegade ending. Because that would be the problem with indoctrination theory (which I do believe): you wake up, and then the viewer has the imagine the entire last half of act 3. Including how Shepard stops the reapers.

Also, just a warning, maybe it'll be different without Zeel, but people will jump on your throat for admitting to finding merit in indoctrination, so prepare for incoming "grasping at straws" "biodrone in denial" et cetera comments.

really? hmmm havnt gotten that so far

it it just makes SO much sense..Im not saying its true...because its just too good to be true..

jesus Zeel got that famous huh...I have to go check out his work

 

[Zetatrain]

No I do not think that those people are hypocrites. From what I understand people hate the changes that George Lucas made to the original trilogy because those changes made the movies worse not because they thought it violated the "artistic integrity" of the films.

 

[Oro44]

I don't think it's hypocritical, I think it's actually the same thing. People dissatisfied with changes that are or are not being made to beloved franchises.

 

[anthony87]

Im starting to get the feeling that... this will never end. Either the world will still be ranting and railing on this a decade from now or itis going to fall and crumble into Apocalypse at the end of the year, and even then those left would STILL be bitching about it.

Actually it seems to me that the only ones still bitching are the ones who were against the the "Retake ME3" stuff. The ones who were all for a change have quieted down now that Bioware responded with the DLC and the announcement that they definitely won't be changing the ending.

 

[Celador]

Does anyone else think that people who hate that Lucas changed his original films yet want Bioware to change/alter/supplement the ending to ME3 are hypocrites?

Yes they are hypocrites. Also - emotionally immature people. Thankfully Bioware did not give in to their demands and only going to "expand" the endings and make a proper epilogue rather than change them completely.

Authors and artists shouldn't be pressured to change anything about their creations. Books, games and movies got annotations, reviews, and demos so chances of buying something that you wouldn't enjoy are low. If you still managed to buy crappy book or game - try and return money first, then criticize authors so they'll make something better next time. Demanding to change the substance of their creation is immoral. Even if you do it out of the good intentions. If the author wants to change something about his creation - its his choice and his choice only. You can punish him with criticism or money and thats it.

I believe this mass hysteria is subsiding now. It started with a few really loud small-minded people ("fanatics" would be an appropriate word, yes) and went on as a snowball, rolling down the hill, crushing all the journalists and reviewers that defended Bioware's right to finish their game their way. This just shows how petty people can be and how little they actually read, because if they did read more sci-fi novels they wouldn't mind grim endings, bad endings, sad endings, cliffhanger endings, any endings at all, as long as they gave closure (using your imagination also helps) to the otherwise great read or game.

 

[Hazy992]

I'm of the opinion that Lucas can change the movies if he wants. They're his movies and if he didn't feel that his artistic direction wasn't fulfilled the first time then fine (I mean everything he touches now turns to poison but whatever).

All I ask is that he releases the theatrical edition as well so I don't have to put up with his bullshit. The worst part is he knows damn well the theatrical edition would make him millions so I don't really understand why he wouldn't release them other than out of spite. Bundle them with your re-re-re-re-release if you must, but just please give me the option of the original.