undeadsuitor said:
Tanis said:
Zetatrain said:
Tanis said:
thaluikhain said:
Yeah, would also be interesting to see him become a Sith to avoid being evil, but that's too much moral complexity there.
Hell, if it wasn't for the prequels, we'd not know that the Jedi were actually better, just that the people they were fighting were evil and an immediate threat.
I fixed my original post to make it clearer.
I'm thinking more along the lines that both the Jedi AND the Sith are the wrong way to go.
It's like choosing either the Taliban or the Crusaders.
XD
Well only taking the movies into account the Jedi don't seem bad, at least not their lifestyle. The worst thing I think you can really accuse the Jedi of is being too involved in politics, but that isn't exactly something inherent in the Jedi code/philosophy. I know the prequel EU material makes things out to be more grey regarding the Jedi and Sith, but I haven't read them and since they are now non canon the entire point is kind of moot.
If we're going by the 'canon, The Clone Wars cartoon is still I recall.
Thus, the baby stealing, our-way-or-no-way mentality, and insane corruption counts.
I mean, the whole idea of 'stealing babies because their special' is REALLY messed up...and yet it's the 'good guys' that do it.
Wait, do the Jedi really steal babies? I didn't watch the Clone Wars cartoon so I'm not sure if you're referencing a specific plot line.
Like, I know the Jedi probably find force-sensitive children and then convince their parents to let them train as Jedi. That's a little farther removed than "killing parents and stealing newborns"
As far as 'we' would see it, yes.
They 'convince' the parents in the same way the USA 'convinced' the Cherokee Nation on the Trail of Tears death march.
Children are removed from their parents, and if they resist they're allowed to live but the child is taken anyways.
It's not 'please let us protect your child that you'll never see again' and more 'we're taking this kid for the good of the universe, deal with it'.
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Zetatrain said:
Tanis said:
Never watched the Clones Wars (hence why I only mentioned the movies), but fair point. Episode 1 gave me the impression that Jedi council did give the families the choice as to whether or not they wanted their child to be taken and trained as a jedi. The my way or no way mentality doesn't really bother me as long as someone has the choice join their ranks. As for the corruption, doesn't that have more to do with senate rather than jedi themselves?
Still, I maintain that these issues aren't necesarily inherent in their core philosophy, hopefully Luke can correct the errors of the past should he revive the jedi order in the new star war universe.
It's sort of like joining the in USA military during WW1/2.
You COULD say no to joining the order, post baby taking and basic training, but they'd treat you in the similar way that you'd treat a 'coward' or a 'traitor'.
You'd be watched till the end of your life, and if you used too much of The Force...they'd be consequences.
-Or, if you're a sci-fi nerd, it's almost like the Psy-Corp in Babylon 5.
The senante was corrupt as hell, but so was the Jedi Order...just in a less money based way.
This episode was a great example of it:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Wrong_Jedi
IF they had kept the 'legends' canon, he would have.
Luke abandons the idea of taking babies from their families and the 'monk' style of the order.
Believing that the reason the order fell time and again is because the Jedi Order refused to be PART of Republic and instead acted as an outside nation that sometimes interfered in Republic business.
Some good books in the 'legacy' that come out of it.
Like, "I, Jedi", which I still maintain as one of the best stand-alone ish Star Wars books.
