Starcraft 2: Crap....you will buy it anways.

[UnusualStranger]

After participating in the Beta, comparing the old with the new, and checking out the new battle.net 2.0, a thought came to me.

This new Starcraft isn't made for me. It is made for the professionals, the ones who perfected build orders, who do APM in the 70 and 80s, who have timed out builds for the race they play.

Not that I hate it. I think it is a fine game and will probably do better than the original just because its Starcraft.

And therein lies the problem.
Starcraft 2 and with it battlenet 2.0 could both be absolutely terrible, and a bunch of people would still go after it. Which brings me to the darkest thought in all of this.

They probably don't care if it sucks. They don't care if you can't have LAN, don't care if you are not a professional and can't really do online, and don't care that they have effectively isolated each nation to its own server, meaning it is next to impossible to play with friends in other countries.

They will get paid for the game by a bunch of people, and that is all that they want.

The discussion here is simple. Do you think that possibly the popularity of Starcraft has possibly already ruined the sequals? And what do you think of the lack of LAN, the compartmentalization of servers, and hell, while we are at it, the game in general?

I'm curious to see what you people think. Perhaps I'm just being a pessimist about the whole deal, but I do wonder what other people think of this.

 

[UnusualStranger]

Yes, you're an idiot. If you pay any attention to Blizzard they purposely designed the Multi-Player to be a competitive sport. The Single Player is for every one. It will be made simple with a creative structure to support a grand story. It will supposedly be unlike any other RTS campaign, ever.

I'm all for competitive if you are for that.
However, I know better than to simply take the word of any company claiming that the product they are selling is going to be absolutely amazing. Their selling it to you, of course they are going to say that. They get paid when you buy it.

Besides, if you want to be competitive, should you not be able to do it throughout the world if you want to, and not have to buy a new game to play someone in another country?

 

[Kaill]

I think the game is amazing. I've been playing Starcraft for about 10 years now, and I can say that Starcraft is by FAR the superior of the two games. Not just in the leaps in technology and graphics, but from what they've learned about game play, strategy and balancing from their last game and its expansion.
No, i'm not saying it doesn't have its flaws. The patch that was released a week and a half ago almost broke the game. But thats the point of Beta testing. Blizzard fixed their shit, and the game has been better ever since.


I started off playing Starcraft 2 in the early stages of Beta, and it was not a perfect game by any means. I was pretty bad as I had grown rusty from lack of play, but I continued on and learned strategies and learned my race and eventually started to really get INTO the game. I whistle the Terran tune at work occasionally. It kind of speaks for itself: Starcraft2 is addicting. Even more so than Starcraft 1.

And more than that, Starcraft 2 is a great well balenced RTS. No RTS in the past decade has come even CLOSE to mastering the balence, game play, and graphics that Starcraft2 has shown us. Honestly, it's not even released and the game is so balenced it's impossible to exploit any one strategy. Couldn't really say that for broken games like C&C3 and 4, or Red Alert 3.

Honestly, you're complaining about one of the better games that will be released in the next 10, 20, maybe 50 years.

There's a reason it's the national sport of Korea.

 

[Internet Kraken]

The discussion here is simple. Do you think that possibly the popularity of Starcraft has possibly already ruined the sequals? And what do you think of the lack of LAN, the compartmentalization of servers, and hell, while we are at it, the game in general?

Here's the thing; if Starcraft 2 does not meet the expectations of the Starcraft veterans, it will spell doom for Blizzard. It wouldn't matter how many people buy it under the false pretense that it is better than the original. Word would get around, players would feel betrayed, they will vow to never buy another Blizzard game, and the company will forever have a negative stigma attached to them because of the whole ordeal. Starcraft 2 has to meet expectations. That's why Blizzard is pouring a huge amount of resources into it. They do care, because despite what you think they can't get away with releasing a shitty game. The biggest fans of the series are some of its biggest critics. There have already been a fair number of complaints about the game simply because it does not have the some of the same gameplay mechanics as the first game. I don't see how Blizzard could expect to achieve the same success of the original under these circumstances. Something isn't guaranteed to sell well just because it's part of a popular franchise. You do actually have to put effort into it.

 

[John Funk]

I personally think SC2 is absolutely fantastic, and I pretty much just cheated my way through the first game's singleplayer So I am far from a RTS pro.

 

[UnusualStranger]

slice to shorten this.

I understand they are in beta, and still fixing things. I'm OK with all of that.

However, you bring in exactly what I am pointing out. You are already saying that it will be amazing for years to come, and all we have is a beta. This in turn likely means you will buy it if you can as soon as you can.

This isn't directed exactly at the game itself, more along the lines of the players willing to pick it all up without staring at what is wrong with the game. Like I said, I think it is a fine game, having played it myself. It is good, especially for a beta, but I don't blindly follow it and plan on grabbing it as soon as possible. I want to know if it really is as great as everyone hopes it will be.

chop

Now this is the thing I don't have confidence in. Will the players really be as critical as they need to be? Will they really see the flaws in the single player, or will everyone be treating it as a sport like in Korea?

Good post.

I personally think SC2 is absolutely fantastic, and I pretty much just cheated my way through the first game's singleplayer So I am far from a RTS pro.

Don't feel too guilty, I did some of that in the expansion as well.
I guess we are both pretty bad at this RTS thing when it comes down to it.

 

[Thedutchjelle]

I like Starcraft 2 as it is, but Battle.net 2.0 is a failure for various reasons (no chatrooms, unclear ladder rankings, no crossrealm, etc etc, search the net for it) but unless people complain about it en masse AND don't buy the game, Activisi - I mean, 'Blizzard' will enforce this Bnet 2.0 upon us.

Again, I love the game, just don't like the new Bnet. THe game is fast paced, I agree, but I'm in lower leagues and playing with my friends, so even if we get trashed it's still fun My only problem right now lies with void ray masses, but even those are countered by 2 starports with reactors.

 

[Rylot]

Here's the thing; if Starcraft 2 does not meet the expectations of the Starcraft veterans, it will spell doom for Blizzard.

Whahahaha! No. They have WoW.

 

[Swarley]

Starcraft 2 is fun for me, and I'm not by any means good at it. BNet 2 needs some serious work though.

 

[BlindMessiah94]

Haven't played the beta, thanks for reminding me.


Blizzard is a smart company. I'm sure there will be people that aren't "elite" playing online against each other, and I will be one of them.
Besides, make your own servers with friends or play against comps. I still do that in SC1.

I would be hard pressed to believe that a company as smart as blizzard, who spend over a decade making a game, release the beta to rave reviews, have made a game that is "crap".

Give me your beta key if you don't like it please.

PLEASE.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Here's the thing; if Starcraft 2 does not meet the expectations of the Starcraft veterans, it will spell doom for Blizzard.

Whahahaha! No. They have WoW.

Well doom for Blizzard in terms of the Starcraft franchise.

Now this is the thing I don't have confidence in. Will the players really be as critical as they need to be? Will they really see the flaws in the single player, or will everyone be treating it as a sport like in Korea?

Yes, they will. If Starcraft 2 doesn't meet the standards of the original game, the competitive battling scene won't want it. They will probably continue to play Starcraft instead. In order for the game to be successful in the competitive scene, it needs to either meet or exceed the standard of the first game. The pros have been perfectly fine playing Starcraft for years now. They won't hesitate to denounce the sequel as inferior. Arguably, these will be the hardest people to impress with the new game.

 

[Plurralbles]

no. If they were just making it for hte money they would have done it two years ago when it was rumored to be released. That's when the hype got the most intense for a long time.

 

[Delusibeta]

I don't know what you're talking about. Starcraft all but invented more than half of the casual gaming genre. Tower defense? Starcraft.

I thought that was Warcraft?

Anyway, I'm chewing over if I should bundle Blizzard in with Activision and boycott their games, because Kotick is pretty much the personification of an Evil Empire and I don't want to give him my money in a hurry, yet he's the CEO of the entire shooting match that is Activision Blizzard. If I'm going to buy Starcraft 2, I'm going to wait for a bit after launch, I think. See if/what the fallout is like.

 

[Kaill]

slice to shorten this.

I understand they are in beta, and still fixing things. I'm OK with all of that.

However, you bring in exactly what I am pointing out. You are already saying that it will be amazing for years to come, and all we have is a beta. This in turn likely means you will buy it if you can as soon as you can.

This isn't directed exactly at the game itself, more along the lines of the players willing to pick it all up without staring at what is wrong with the game. Like I said, I think it is a fine game, having played it myself. It is good, especially for a beta, but I don't blindly follow it and plan on grabbing it as soon as possible. I want to know if it really is as great as everyone hopes it will be.

I'm sure some people will just blindly pick up the game and be like "Wow, i've read nothing about how Starcraft 2 will be, but I loved the first one, so why not!?" as with about every other game sequel. But that number is a very small amount compared to the people who have done the research, either by playing in the beta or just searching forums or game critics.

There is nothing wrong with the game. The game is near perfect. I would honestly buy the multiplayer game and the single player campaign separately for 60 dollars each. (Which I guess is what we're doing for the next two expansions. >>

I think we all agree that Battle.net 2 is the only problem that still remains. I agree that no LAN play kind of sucks, but who doesn't have internet nowadays? Seriously.
The ladder and ranking system still has some kinks to work out, but on June 7th Blizzard is shutting down the Beta for a week or two and is doing extensive re-working of the Battle.net 2 system.

 

[Tzekelkan]

I think you're being a bit too pessimistic. Has Blizzard done anything that's ever sucked? I sure haven't heard of it. Sure, there's no LAN which means I can't play against my brother from the same copy, but we'll live.

Are you worried that, despite what you've seen so far, the game will somehow get ruined from now to release? How is it possible? Sure, I'm not going to be picking it up the day it's released, but I'm certainly going to buy it some day. It's the sequel to the first game I ever played, and even if the critics are going to call it "mediocre" (which I doubt) I will buy it, because the opinions of critics are no more important to me than the opinion of someone I don't know.

Make of that what you will.

 

[TerranReaper]

To me, Starcraft 2 is refined and going to be a great game. Battle.net 2.0 however, is a different story (Region Locking/cross realm and no way to switch, chat channels, no LAN, and sub-standard ladder system). It kinda reminds me of pre-release Modern Warfare 2, hopefully Blizzard will listen to their fans....

 

[mad825]

well just from viewing the videos of SC2 I am dreading the game as I am highly disliking the RA3 environment.