Steam and its DRM

[Chibz]

I would never buy a game on steam simply because of its DRM. None of the consoles force you to put up with such faggotry. Why put up with it from Valve?

 

[Delusibeta]

I would never buy a game on steam simply because of its DRM. None of the consoles force you to put up with such faggotry. Why put up with it from Valve?

Largely because both Live Arcade and PSN can (and has) have worse DRM. What do you mean I have to be online when I'm not on my home console? What do you mean I have to be online, period?

 

[Chibz]

I would never buy a game on steam simply because of its DRM. None of the consoles force you to put up with such faggotry. Why put up with it from Valve?

Um... PlayStation Network and Microsoft Live accomplish pretty much the exact same thing, and if you're caught with a pirated version of a game, your PSN or Live account is banned.

I fail to see how this is a bad thing. If I had my way we'd castrate pirates and force them to eat their testicles.

I would never buy a game on steam simply because of its DRM. None of the consoles force you to put up with such faggotry. Why put up with it from Valve?

Largely because both Live Arcade and PSN can (and has) have worse DRM.

Valve's DRM is way more intrusive. Forcing you to run yet another shitty little program in the background? The hell is this noise?

I'm glad I bought my Dawn of War copy from a real store, instead of Valve's little scam.

Edit: For me, system resources are almost a precious commodity. Because there aren't enough games on PC worth buying to actually validate upgrading the thing. Way too expensive for me. Plus I'd have less money for games anyway.

 

[Delusibeta]

I would never buy a game on steam simply because of its DRM. None of the consoles force you to put up with such faggotry. Why put up with it from Valve?

Largely because both Live Arcade and PSN can (and has) have worse DRM.

Valve's DRM is way more intrusive. Forcing you to run yet another shitty little program in the background? The hell is this noise?

And I have to run the Dashboard in the background while I play my 360 games. And the difference is?

 

[Chibz]

And I have to run the Dashboard in the background while I play my 360 games. And the difference is?

I'm pretty sure the dashboard isn't really running "at full" most the time. Especially when playing a game.

On the PC you've already got Windows running (Which itself is obese & unnecessary). Plus whatever else is running on your compy. It's a cluster-fuck of bad performance.

 

[omegaminus]

Valve's DRM is way more intrusive. Forcing you to run yet another shitty little program in the background? The hell is this noise?

If it's completely inactive, it'll get paged out and will take zero physical RAM and zero CPU time.

 

[Delusibeta]

And I have to run the Dashboard in the background while I play my 360 games. And the difference is?

I'm pretty sure the dashboard isn't really running "at full" most the time. Especially when playing a game.

On the PC you've already got Windows running (Which itself is obese & unnecessary). Plus whatever else is running on your compy. It's a cluster-fuck of bad performance.

Meh. It's only bad if you haven't got a half-decent computer. And, frankly, anti-virus programs use about ten times more resources than Steam does. (Before you point out that I should use Macs, I'm not paying another £150 more pounds than I did for this laptop for a significantly worse machine. Before you point out I should use Linux, hardly anyone makes games for it.)

 

[Chibz]

Meh. It's only bad if you haven't got a half-decent computer. And, frankly, anti-virus programs use about ten times more resources than Steam does. (Before you point out that I should use Macs, I'm not paying another £150 more pounds than I did for this laptop for a significantly worse machine. Before you point out I should use Linux, hardly anyone makes games for it.)

And besides, why would I pay real money in order to use Xbox Live's retarded younger brother?

If I wanted to do that, I'd just buy games compatable with Games For Windows. You know, all 41 of them. That pretty much universally suck.

Also, anti-virus programs are another necessity of PC-gaming that makes it all so awful.

Valve's DRM is way more intrusive. Forcing you to run yet another shitty little program in the background? The hell is this noise?

If it's completely inactive, it'll get paged out and will take zero physical RAM and zero CPU time.

Except it's always doing "enough" to drain resources, but not enough to actually matter. How about game publishers just not release games on PC (The easiest system on the market to pirate for) and call it done?

 

[Delusibeta]

Also, anti-virus programs are another necessity of PC-gaming that makes it all so awful.

And now for some logic. You are posting on this forum. Most people post on forums use computers, and most computers use Windows, and most Windows computers use an anti-virus program. Ergo, a large proportion of people using forums have anti-virus.

My point is that anti-virus is a necessity of most people's computer use.

How about game publishers just not release games on PC (The easiest system on the market to pirate for) and call it done?

Because then all the pirates would focus all their efforts on cracking consoles, rendering them all about as heavily pirated as PCs games are now.

 

[Chibz]

How about game publishers just not release games on PC (The easiest system on the market to pirate for) and call it done?

Because then all the pirates would focus all their efforts on cracking consoles, rendering them all about as heavily pirated as PCs games are now.

That's part of why I'm so glad we have PC gaming. Let it have all the problems inherit in gaming. And let console gaming be the main show. As long as sleazebag pirates have ah infinitely easier system to pirate on, they will.

Although, the funny thing is that PC gaming will always be easier to compromise.

 

[Delusibeta]

How about game publishers just not release games on PC (The easiest system on the market to pirate for) and call it done?

Because then all the pirates would focus all their efforts on cracking consoles, rendering them all about as heavily pirated as PCs games are now.

That's part of why I'm so glad we have PC gaming. Let it have all the problems inherit in gaming. And let console gaming be the main show. As long as sleazebag pirates have ah infinitely easier system to pirate on, they will.

Although, the funny thing is that PC gaming will always be easier to compromise.

Meh. I would point to how easy people are finding to "compromise" the Wii and the PSP, and how big 360 games tends to leak before the release date. Don't think that consoles have it all their own way with piracy.

 

[LightOfDarkness]

I have had no problems with Steam so far.
It runs slowly, but it hasn't gotten a good optimization update in a loooooong time IIRC. The constant ads bother me a bit, but the good times they bring me for informing me of free weekends (and subsequent purchases) have made up for it tenfold.
Also, the logic of "Anything that gets between me and my games is automatically DRM" is a little flawed IMO. It would be like saying "I have to login to play , therefore it is DRM"

Besides, you can just create a desktop shortcut for all your games, so you don't need to look at Steam Library in order to launch your game.

 

[Chibz]

Meh. I would point to how easy people are finding to "compromise" the Wii and the PSP, and how big 360 games tends to leak before the release date. Don't think that consoles have it all their own way with piracy.

Piracy & cheating will never be as rampant on consoles as it is on the PC. This is mostly due to how the PC isn't really designed primarily for gaming. Also, most consoles (in order to compromise) requires hard moding the system. Plus you tend to get banned from .

Look at capcom as well. They tend to sodomize you with punishment for DARING to cheat on MH3.

 

[Chibz]

It will also always be BETTER.

PC online gaming will always be far more fun.

Consoles miss out on:
-Custom maps
-Custom skins
-Max number of players (you get what, 18 at most in most games? We can have pretty much as many as the server can handle)
-Dedicated servers, custom server rules and plug-ins

I love my PS3. I've always loved console gaming. But if you're really going to sit there and say that PC gaming isn't as good... you're going to be proven wrong, time and time again.

It's not as popular, I'll give you that. But... once you've gamed on a PC, you'll see that the wealth of options that you simply do not get with a console makes it a very unique and more open experience.

Actually, I used to game on PC primarily. I ditched PC gaming when it started going downhill.

Custom maps? Consoles are capable of that now. Have been since the PS2, one of my favourite games has a map editor on PS2.

Just Cause? Shit man, I only play good games.

Mods? Get out with your cheating, son. Gotta be legit 'round here.

 

[RobCoxxy]

Seriously? If you're playing multiplayer games, being connected to an internet service is no biggy.

And the DRM - connecting it to YOUR ACCOUNT - is perfectly fine.

 

[Chibz]

Custom maps? Consoles are capable of that now. Have been since the PS2, one of my favourite games has a map editor on PS2.

It's not even remotely the same. A built-in map editor allows you to manipulate content that is already there. REAL map making is creating your own content.

Just look at some of the crazy shit people have come up with for games like Counter-Strike: Source.

Little Big Planet is leading the charge into the world of full custom creation on consoles, but there's only so far you'll be able to go with the built-in hard drive.

Now you're citing CS as a quality game, too? The credibility ship, she's sinking! Grab the bucket and bail 'er out!