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Tallim

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Hmm the biggest question should really be is the Steam version mod ready. As good as the game is it *really* benefits from a lot of the mods that exist for it.

Also for some reason I was under the impression that GOG had exclusive rights to redistribute.Maybe the rights holders realised that money is good.....
 

Pink Gregory

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^What he said. Why would I buy it on Steam when I can get it DRM-free on GOG already? What is Steam actually offering over GOG that makes its DRM worth it?
How about that my bank allows me to buy from Steam but because GOG is based outside of the US I can't purchase anything from there with out going to my bank and jumping through a bunch of hoops?
Ah, fair enough.
 

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Tallim said:
Also for some reason I was under the impression that GOG had exclusive rights to redistribute.Maybe the rights holders realised that money is good.....
It was always a "timed exclusivity" sort of deal. They stated back then that the game would come on Steam eventually
 

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Skeleon said:
But if you have the option of buying it DRM-free - like in the case of Deus Ex, System Shock 2, Don't Starve and plenty other games, old and new - why in the world wouldn't you?!
Because I rather like Steam.
I have most my PC games there, it's cheaper (one 5th off at worst) and Steam has a lot of neat features.


Never cared for GOG anyway.
But it's DRM free I hear you say, and to that I have only one reply:
So what?
 

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Anyone living outside the US (Seppos can also feel free to also take part) should use GoG where possible to support a digital distribution outlet that doesn't use regional pricing schemes. One price for everyone. Fuck. Yeah.
 

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Did anyone compare the Steam and GOG versions? GOG handle usually old games better, but if there's no difference, I'll probably get it on Steam later on.

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I have to wonder, why would anyone get the game from Steam? On one hand you have all the bonus stuff and on the other you have... DRM. And for Europeans even the discount is worthless since GOG's price in USD is more or less the same as Steam's current one in Euros.
Because many of us who already have a large game library on Steam prefer to have all our games there.
 

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Long story short, I have so many games that even my favorite games get lost to me if they aren't in Steam's neat little list...
Add non-steam game? That's what I tend to do xD
Just a friendly suggestion :)
Then every now and then a steam update can just remove all your shortcuts? Dunno if thats because I'm on the beta or not though, but it's frustrating either way.
Possibly, and I can see that being quite annoying. For me the worst it's done on an update is move all the shortcuts (steam and non-steam alike) back to the "GAMES" folder if I hadn't closed/relaunched steam previously with them in those folders.
 

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WOPR said:
SkarKrow said:
WOPR said:
Signa said:
Long story short, I have so many games that even my favorite games get lost to me if they aren't in Steam's neat little list...
Add non-steam game? That's what I tend to do xD
Just a friendly suggestion :)
Then every now and then a steam update can just remove all your shortcuts? Dunno if thats because I'm on the beta or not though, but it's frustrating either way.
Possibly, and I can see that being quite annoying. For me the worst it's done on an update is move all the shortcuts (steam and non-steam alike) back to the "GAMES" folder if I hadn't closed/relaunched steam previously with them in those folders.
It's why it took me so long to finish Singularity, since it was £20 on steam and never on sale i bought a retail copy for like £5 (good game, recommend it), but Steam keeps purging non-steam stuff for me so I keep losing track of games. Need to get on to emailing them bout it, wonder if it's a common issue on betas?
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
Anyone living outside the US (Seppos can also feel free to also take part) should use GoG where possible to support a digital distribution outlet that doesn't use regional pricing schemes. One price for everyone. Fuck. Yeah.
Until the bank charges you for converting your money to dollars to pay. Which is a sad reality for a lot of people, pretty sure my bank charges me something for it but I'd need to check. The one price per region thing is great, but I wish it charged in my currency so the bank didn't wet it's bill too.
 

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... okay, so why would anyone buy it from steam when it's on GOG?

because Steam's convenient, that's why. You get to keep all your games neatly in your library and you don't have to fuck with installation files, you just double-click and watch the numbers go up for a while.


Stop viewing everything in black and white people. Steam is not evil just because you're comparing it to GOG. Now don't get me wrong, I love GOG and would probably pick the GOG version over the one on Steam but that doesn't mean one is necessarily superior. It all boils down to individual preference.
 

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Cool. More visibility for a classic game.

Sure, I prefer GOG when I have the choice, but I see nothing wrong with putting the game on as many digital markets as possible.
 

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Pink Gregory said:
You know it's available DRM-free on GOG.com, right? With extra shiny things?

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/system_shock_2
All my games right now are either through Steam or Origin, which has improved quite a bit recently. The addition of achievement points (in very few games, though) has full elevated it above Games for Windows Live, but that wouldn't take much effort.

Back on topic. I tried downloading one of the free GOG games once, but for some reason, not having a downloaded client for the download makes me slightly uncomfortable with it. So, I guess it's mostly because Steam makes me comfy with my downloading.
 

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when it comes to older games, i always pick gog over steam. i dont care about bonuses for buying from gog and steams drm doesnt bother me. what i care about is an old game working on a modern system. i know im getting that if i buy from gog, but thats not something i can always count on when i buy from steam
Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines is a good example of Steam's failings, since the community has to update the game since the dev stopped. Running the game as-is with the Steam version doesn't work on recent OSs.
 

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Dosbilliam said:
Back on topic. I tried downloading one of the free GOG games once, but for some reason, not having a downloaded client for the download makes me slightly uncomfortable with it. So, I guess it's mostly because Steam makes me comfy with my downloading.
That must have been quite some time ago as GOG now has the option of either downloading games normally or using an optional client.
 

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The Madman said:
Dosbilliam said:
Back on topic. I tried downloading one of the free GOG games once, but for some reason, not having a downloaded client for the download makes me slightly uncomfortable with it. So, I guess it's mostly because Steam makes me comfy with my downloading.
That must have been quite some time ago as GOG now has the option of either downloading games normally or using an optional client.
I think it was about a year ago, maybe longer...o_O
 

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...Steam was critical in a moment when everyone was talking about the death of computer gaming,...
A lot of people are still talking about the "death of computer gaming", it was nonsense then, it's nonsense now. Consoles are always limited by their generation-based hardware constraints.

Valve was always there since 2003 slowly building up, they gave us in the third world a chance at fair prices and severely wounded our over priced retail markets that charged three times as much. I'm very thankful to Valve.
Interesting, I wasn't aware of the aspect of the third world involvement (also, isn't Brazil considered second world or whatever?). Interestingly, the prices being the same everywhere - a good feature of GOG - would be a disadvantage for a lot of places, even though it's an advantage for people like me. That said, it's not the initial stages that I have the largest issues with. Used to be that Steam was somewhat optional. I own a number of games that can be added to your Steam library should you so desire - like Dawn of War: Soulstorm, for instance - but that don't have the Steam activation requirement, that lack the DRM-features. This setup, of course, I would be completely fine with. Having additional options is nice, if you want to have the community aspects or to have your games in one place. What isn't fine, though, is their transition from optional to requirement, the exclusivity of numerous new titles to their DRM-platform. That's where they went too far in my opinion and it's been like that for several years now.

I don't mind the "drm" that Steam enforces as it's always open for me and I already put everything sans Origin games on steam shortcuts so I don't have to litter the desktop with icons or unnecessarily open Win explorer.
I had issues with Steam connectivity a lot of times, but it's also an issue of principle. Consumer protections groups in Germany are trying to force Valve to comply with regulations - as they should - but some of the responses have been far from helpful. Someone even suggested that Steam may cease operating in Germany if a lawsuit goes through successfully. Well, what happens to the games I bought... I'm sorry, the games I got a subscription to, then? I value consumer rights quite highly and the willingness with which many people seem to give them up is astounding to me. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if some people would start blaming the consumer protections groups if something like that ended up happening, for trying to get Valve to follow the law. Not to mention the fact that they piss me off with their region-bound sales. I couldn't buy the original BioShock, only the censored version. I had to look for blood patches and texture mods to restore some of its original look, but couldn't even fix all the things they changed. Why? I'm an adult, I can import games from the UK or elsewhere freely. It's not illegal to own imports if you're above 18. Why do these guys feel they have the right to babysit me and restrict my options? Having to play censored versions/having to look for workarounds is patently annoying.

As for cluttering up your desktop, I just have a folder on there called "Games" where I put the shortcuts. And starting a game from there is much faster than starting the Steam client and picking it from the library.

So if I'm going to buy a game to run it through Steam I might as well save 5 dollars and get it there supporting a platform that I like to support.
The savings aren't really an argument in my view. Plenty of distributors, including GOG, have quite extensive price reductions, weekly, on weekends, on special dates etc.. The only flaw with GOG is the - certainly in comparison to Steam - small library of games they have to offer. But they're working to remedy that.

Again nothing against gog but I'm not baffled by the notion that someone chooses gog over steam or the contrary and I find weird that someone is, if it was something generally controversial like Origin I'd at least understand.
It's mostly the DRM, it's the region-bound sales of censored games, it's the fact that it's basically a giant advertisement platform and it's freely giving up consumer rights in favour of a subscription system rather than buying a product. Now, maybe you don't care about these issues, maybe they don't affect you, but they are certainly a large enough hinderance for me to like Steam. As I said earlier, I only buy from Steam when it's absolutely necessary because no other legal way of acquiring a game I really, really want to play exists.

fenrizz said:
Because I rather like Steam.
I have most my PC games there, it's cheaper (one 5th off at worst) and Steam has a lot of neat features.
Never cared for GOG anyway.


But it's DRM free I hear you say, and to that I have only one reply:
So what?
I doubt it's necessarily cheaper. GOG has sales of up to 80% price reduction under special circumstances. The "normal" price reduction for Monday and Wednesday sales is 60%.
Eh, whatever. Maybe some of the other issues I mentioned above explain my dislike for Steam better. I obviously can't "convert" anybody, but I'm still astounded by the loyalty some people seem to give this service, considering the consumer rights violations. We should move away from the "subscription-mentality" and return to viewing games as we view other media like DVDs, books, music etc..
 

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DementedSheep said:
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Are people really questioning why someone would use Steam? I've literally lost count of major titles that I've spent 3 DOLLARS for.
Well yeah, steam sales are great. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However in this case it isn't that much more expensive to get it from somewhere else that doesn't require you to run steam to play it, specializes in old games and gives you extra stuff with it.

Steam is slightly cheaper and means your games are in the same place but I still prefer GOG.
I think we just reached a point where people don't mind the price as long as it's on Steam.