Steam User Finds Misogynistic "Joke" Buried in Dead Island Code [UPDATED]

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JustaGigolo said:
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Robert Ewing said:
Feminists are horrible creatures anyway. And just to show that I'm not chauvinistic. It will make you happy to know that I freaking hate chauvinists as well.

General equality is the way forward.

Sorry if I'm a bit thick, why are feminists horrible creatures?
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

Things like this.

The feminists who actually fought for something would probably hate the feminists today.
Oh, I see the trouble here. See, those are shitty feminists, who don't actually want equality between men and women. Most feminists aren't like that, and in fact most feminists hate those shitty feminists as much as you do.
 

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Sheesh, western people are so intolerant. So what if people on dev team hate feminists? It's their business.
IMO rabid feminists are just another bunch of idiots and make women look bad.

It's really bad in the West... Not to mention racism towards white people.
 

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GonzoGamer said:
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Wow. That means that somewhere out there, there?s an overworked programmer who feels bitter towards women. That?s a big surprise. Maybe he?s still upset because he had to take his sister to the prom.
This.

Agreed. It was a mistake to let it get released in this state, as stuff like this gets out.
Well, it?s just going to get worse. I know that the PC version of this game has received all the WTFs but now that so many consoles have HDDs and wifi, publishers have seemed to throw integrity completely out the window. They don?t mind releasing a game that?s completely broken as long as they can patch it later. And the sories that have been going around about this game make me wonder if they checked anything at all before sending it out.
The horror of Fallout New Vegas still lives fresh in my mind almost a year later. I couldn?t play that game for 15 mins without it crashing on me. I guess we should consider ourselves lucky this game actually works.
Yeah, and Alpha Protocol which had some major issues out the gate (yay! Obsidian!), which ruined the games' sales. It is a patching culture, and digital distribution is going to make it worse.

In the case of Dead Island, this could have been controlled by management if they reviewed the code appropriately. The programmer should have been told to rename the skill at some point near release, if not as soon as it was noticed.

As an analogy - I work for television. We send people out to shoot some material that won't be able to be reshot. If a camera operator or location sound mixer makes a mistake - and they make mistakes - you can sometimes "fix it in post". But that doesn't mean that the camera operator or sound guy doesn't get some sort of warning or scolding. If the pattern continues, they get fired. I've watched shows that had had careless mistakes in them that could have been fixed at one point, but never have (a blatant example is a watermark of an effects package - which takes up the entire screen - that appears if you never register the software). These mistakes are careless and should never be delivered (not to say it doesn't happen).

While alright for a joke, this is a careless temporary name. While the majority of those who work in programming are male, it could be safe to assume no one would find this. Still, that reality is changing, and its jokes like this that may keep more women from joining the programming workforce.
 

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JustaGigolo said:
orangeban said:
JustaGigolo said:
orangeban said:
Robert Ewing said:
Feminists are horrible creatures anyway. And just to show that I'm not chauvinistic. It will make you happy to know that I freaking hate chauvinists as well.

General equality is the way forward.

Sorry if I'm a bit thick, why are feminists horrible creatures?
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

Things like this.

The feminists who actually fought for something would probably hate the feminists today.
Oh, I see the trouble here. See, those are shitty feminists, who don't actually want equality between men and women. Most feminists aren't like that, and in fact most feminists hate those shitty feminists as much as you do.
Believing in equality between genders =/= feminist.

Anyone who labels them self with a gender specific philosophy is just as bad.
Ok, I label myself a feminist, a masculinist (male feminism basically), a transgenderist and an various other -ists relating to gender.

Surely if I label myself with *all* the gender specific philosophies it's good right?
 

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JustaGigolo said:
Believing in equality between genders =/= feminist.

Anyone who labels them self with a gender specific philosophy is just as bad.
Incorrect. The actual definition of feminism is that both genders are treated equally. This HASN'T HAPPENED YET, and females are still at a disadvantage.
 

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TheAmazingHobo said:
And this is the reason why you should always clean up your code.
Just take a couple of minutes to take out all the unnecessary whitespaces, breaks, placeholders, sexist jokes, demonic summons and threats against people who always leave the fuckning lab-door open, so everybody can just walk in and steal shit, STEVE.

Voltano said:
That just sounds like a variable name--a variable that inside the code, and nowhere visible in the game when it is running at run-time. I agree that the name could be insulting to women, but are we really bickering about what a programmer/game-designer names their variables in code that is never seen by non-hackers?
Yes, we do, because obviously how we name our variables when we are bored, frustrated, annoyed and/or angry is totally an accurate way to judge us as a person.
Which is why I am OBVIOUSLY a demonic cultist and possibly dyslexic.
It's really just professionalism. Cleaning up code acknowledges that the code is used by everyone in the team, and that may include females that either are hired or will be hired. Leaving unnecessary jokes that may offend someone is just poor judgment.
 

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Hey now people! It's not misogny, it's backstory, don't ya know! Before becoming a police officer, Purna was obviously a Hooker With a Heart of Gold and strong feminist leanings, boldly declaring her right as a woman to sell her squishy bits to whomever she pleased. She tolerated no pimp, and was fondly known by the other working girls as Mama P.
You are awesome. 'Nuff said.
 

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JustaGigolo said:
orangeban said:
Robert Ewing said:
Feminists are horrible creatures anyway. And just to show that I'm not chauvinistic. It will make you happy to know that I freaking hate chauvinists as well.

General equality is the way forward.

Sorry if I'm a bit thick, why are feminists horrible creatures?
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

Things like this.

The feminists who actually fought for something in the past would probably hate the feminists today.
Exactly. Feminists who fight for womens equality are fine by me. But hardly any feminists do these days. Because women these days have pretty much equal rights to men. But Feminists these days often push for more womens rights. Which means that women have more rights than men. This isn't the way forward, and I hate them for even trying such a thing.

Men and women should be generally equal. But feminists push for greater rights than males. And Chauvinists push for greater rights than females.
 

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JustaGigolo said:
orangeban said:
JustaGigolo said:
orangeban said:
JustaGigolo said:
orangeban said:
Robert Ewing said:
Feminists are horrible creatures anyway. And just to show that I'm not chauvinistic. It will make you happy to know that I freaking hate chauvinists as well.

General equality is the way forward.

Sorry if I'm a bit thick, why are feminists horrible creatures?
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

Things like this.

The feminists who actually fought for something would probably hate the feminists today.
Oh, I see the trouble here. See, those are shitty feminists, who don't actually want equality between men and women. Most feminists aren't like that, and in fact most feminists hate those shitty feminists as much as you do.
Believing in equality between genders =/= feminist.

Anyone who labels them self with a gender specific philosophy is just as bad.
Ok, I label myself a feminist, a masculinist (male feminism basically), a transgenderist and an various other -ists relating to gender.

Surely if I label myself with *all* the gender specific philosophies it's good right?
Just label all sexists as assholes, and you won't need to have all those pointless titles.
But it isn't just sexists. It's dealing with the inherent sexism in society. Here's where it gets kinda radical (but good radical) but here is the inherent sexism in society:
Gender specific clothing
Women not being able to serve in the army
The expectation for men to earn money
Slut-shaming
The expectation for women to care for the family
Women being more likely to get custody of children in divorces
and more.
 

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Let me get this straight... she has a skill... that does more damage... when she attacks men... and people are complaining about what it's named in the code more than the blatant misandry of that skill?

Seriously, if there was a male character that had a skill to do extra damage against female enemies (it could still be publicly named Gender Wars and privately named, I don't know, MisogynistAsshole or something) and people would, again, flip out on behalf of women.
Don't forget the two main male characters are portrayed as the biggest pieces of shit on the planet, whereas the female leads are given sad stories to make them more noble and heroic.

I'm just not seeing the Misogyny.

At least not in this game, plenty all over, sexism is pretty popular regardless of gender.

orangeban said:
But it isn't just sexists. It's dealing with the inherent sexism in society. Here's where it gets kinda radical (but good radical) but here is the inherent sexism in society:
Gender specific clothing
Women not being able to serve in the army
The expectation for men to earn money
Slut-shaming
The expectation for women to care for the family
Women being more likely to get custody of children in divorces
and more.
Gender specific clothing goes both ways.
Women can serve everywhere in the Army but the foot soldiers (infantry?). Also homosexuals get a harder time in the military than women, albeit women don't get it well.
This sucks, I'm pro women ruling the world.
Mansluts were a thing in my school. We tended to call them douchebags, but the idea was the same.
I'd >love< to be a shufu. I've already raised one kid and doing the family raising is pretty fucking awesome. Gimme gimme, ladies can go hold a job, I can take care of the family.
This is sad, kids being property saddens me.

And off I go...to work...

Ladies save me!
 

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There's a perk that allows you to seduce and do more damage to members of the opposite sex in Fallout. Just sayin.
 

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Meanwhile back in the land where stuff that actually matters besides some stupid little joke with the coding. Dead island isn't that bad so far, nothing like the first trailer made it look but it's been the open world left 4 dead I wanted.
 

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Feminism is just as retarded as chauvinism or any other form of sexism. Taking the piss out of them is more than deserved. Why not cry about something more interesting like the fact that piss-poor games like Dead Island are constantly being made? Or that some people SUPPORT games like these?

Seriously, if you support women's rights or men's rights instead of EQUAL rights you should jump off a bridge. Preferably a high one.
 

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jmarquiso said:
It's really just professionalism. Cleaning up code acknowledges that the code is used by everyone in the team, and that may include females that either are hired or will be hired. Leaving unnecessary jokes that may offend someone is just poor judgment.
Oh yeah, sure. I definitly believe that this makes him a shit programmer, who is either too lazy or too dumb to realize the necessity of sanitizing community code.
I just don´t believe it makes him a shit human being.

In dubio pro reo.
So I just chalk this up as a brain-fart combined with lazyness.
 

orangeban

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Skiisk said:
Feminism is just as retarded as chauvinism or any other form of sexism. Taking the piss out of them is more than deserved. Why not cry about something more interesting like the fact that piss-poor games like Dead Island are constantly being made? Or that some people SUPPORT games like these?

Seriously, if you support women's rights or men's rights instead of EQUAL rights you should jump off a bridge. Preferably a high one.
Uh, you know you can support both men and womens rights at the same time? I am both a feminist and a masculinist.

Here's the thing, feminism is meant to be about equality, and for most feminists it is about equality. But the ones everyone care about and the ones that get tossed around the internet are the crazy ones so everyone thinks they are the norm (this is because normal feminists are kinda boring, seeing as pretty much everyone agrees with them.)