Stolen Pixels #139: BorderLAN
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Gaaaaaaaah I once lost all my ammo trying to kill Claptrap! I hate him!!
But yeah, I've only played Splitscreen with a mate so far. Apart from the badly thought out but well intentioned full screen menus on a split screen game, it worked flawlessly. I really, really think that this is a console game...
But yeah, I've only played Splitscreen with a mate so far. Apart from the badly thought out but well intentioned full screen menus on a split screen game, it worked flawlessly. I really, really think that this is a console game...
The reason it is more difficult on PC's is pretty simple actually.Virgil said:
On a Game console you don't have the freedom to make up bullshit setup options, so game companies don't. If you try to you just instantly break your multiplayer and it is done.
On the PC you have the full range of power to make the most retarded and broken system for multiplayer you want. Best part is you can act like it works and give the customer terrible answers for their support tickets.
Oh yeah...and gamespy has always been the worst option (as far as I can remember).
Just use one of the varies "LAN" programs to plan online with your friends, much better then the default "online".saejox said:
1st modern warfare 2 now borderlands there's a conspiracy going with this lack of dedicated server bullcrap
My point exactly. If the PC version was built from the ground up, the buy menus would work something closer to in Fallout 3 where E was to accept a purchase and A was to cancel it. The keys might be a little off cause it's been a while since I played, but I remember buy/selling was a fairly smooth process because it was actually built around the WASD set-up, unlike Borderlands which acts like you keep both hands at the home row the whole game.OneHP said:
Okay, there are two points I would like to adress to Shamus.
Other than that, I have to agree on some points. You can't properly select multiplayer games at all, and you can't even see which hosts have their ports configured so it'll take a lot of tries to find a game that can connect.
Solution: Play with your friends. That's the one thing it doesn't screw up entirely. You can invite friends to your previously-single-player game at any time. And honestly, Borderlands is not a game you want to play with random strangers. You'll want someone with a playstyle that suits yours.
Although I can't say that making a Gamespy account gave me any trouble, though. Name, e-mail adress - I haven't gotten any e-mails from Gamespy, much less spam - and you're done. Don't see what's so hard about it.
In the end, I can honestly enjoy the game very much regardless of how it feels like a port in a lot of ways - ignoring multiplayer, the most glaringly obvious are the menus, but that doesn't really give you much trouble to play. I was also pleasently surprised at how good the vehicles work. Mouse driving is such a major improvement on WASD, in spite of all the bad things I heard about driving on the consoles. You never have to dick around with reverse steering, small corrections or hard turns. You go where you point. It's that easy.
Now it's time for everyone to attack me on my opinions about the game. I say, bring it on!
If you don't agree with the group pulling you out for travel, hit any menu button. Instant travel cancellation. Problem solved? Maybe not, if you're going to argue about whether or not you should travel to the next area, but that's just ridiculous.
And this is why we have the opportunity to tweak PC games. Helpful guide here. [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=998374] Look around, and you can also find an easy guide to forwarding ports. Even I can do it.
Other than that, I have to agree on some points. You can't properly select multiplayer games at all, and you can't even see which hosts have their ports configured so it'll take a lot of tries to find a game that can connect.
Solution: Play with your friends. That's the one thing it doesn't screw up entirely. You can invite friends to your previously-single-player game at any time. And honestly, Borderlands is not a game you want to play with random strangers. You'll want someone with a playstyle that suits yours.
Although I can't say that making a Gamespy account gave me any trouble, though. Name, e-mail adress - I haven't gotten any e-mails from Gamespy, much less spam - and you're done. Don't see what's so hard about it.
In the end, I can honestly enjoy the game very much regardless of how it feels like a port in a lot of ways - ignoring multiplayer, the most glaringly obvious are the menus, but that doesn't really give you much trouble to play. I was also pleasently surprised at how good the vehicles work. Mouse driving is such a major improvement on WASD, in spite of all the bad things I heard about driving on the consoles. You never have to dick around with reverse steering, small corrections or hard turns. You go where you point. It's that easy.
Now it's time for everyone to attack me on my opinions about the game. I say, bring it on!
Heh. Congratulations, Shamus! You've done what even Yahtzee hasn't- you've convinced me not to buy a game. I was on the fence about Borderlands when I heard how multiplayer-centric it was (I get so little time to play as it is, why waste it with griefers and idiots?) but... come on. GAMESPY?! I haven't used that in more than a decade, and for good reason!
Moving pictures? On the Internet?! Bah. It's just a fad.Undead Dragon King said:
*Cough* +1 for consoles *Cough*
There is a reason I switched to consoles for games. PC gaming has no flow. Choosing servers and modding and hacking just to get it playable if it even meets your requirements. Too much hassle.
There is a reason I switched to consoles for games. PC gaming has no flow. Choosing servers and modding and hacking just to get it playable if it even meets your requirements. Too much hassle.
This doesn't really affect me that much, as I wasn't really planning on using multiplayer (share my gaming experience with, with... with other people?!! How dare you even suggest it!); most of my other friends either aren't interested in it, even if there are a lot of guns (wierdos).
Still, I can understand why people aren't happy with the implementation of multiplayer, and can sympathise. I don't suppose installing Gamespy is required duing install is it? I'm still not sure what to buy it on, but I'm actually leaning towards PS3 at this point considering all the criticisms aimed at the clunkiness of the PC version. But if I get the PC version, there's no way I'm allowing Gamespy to smugly take it's place among the rest of my programs, especially if I don't plan on using it.
Still, I can understand why people aren't happy with the implementation of multiplayer, and can sympathise. I don't suppose installing Gamespy is required duing install is it? I'm still not sure what to buy it on, but I'm actually leaning towards PS3 at this point considering all the criticisms aimed at the clunkiness of the PC version. But if I get the PC version, there's no way I'm allowing Gamespy to smugly take it's place among the rest of my programs, especially if I don't plan on using it.
Heh!
My policy of waiting a month or two after release before buying a game rulez again. I have a PS3 and a PC. Was edging toward the PC version, now will wait, but this points me toward the PS3 version.
Bottom line though... it sounds like an XBox game. Maybe just wait and see what else comes along.
My policy of waiting a month or two after release before buying a game rulez again. I have a PS3 and a PC. Was edging toward the PC version, now will wait, but this points me toward the PS3 version.
Bottom line though... it sounds like an XBox game. Maybe just wait and see what else comes along.
Has gamespy done anything good? Ever?
I mean, I have to pay them for user-made Morrowind Mods that should be free. Which I don't.
I mean, I have to pay them for user-made Morrowind Mods that should be free. Which I don't.
Well, I found the Multiplayer on Borderlands for PC to be fine, though yes the port forwarding is fine. Why would you open ports and then forward them? Can't you just forward ports? Multiplayer actually runs quite well considering it's host based, though the delay is always there.
Oh noes anyway, port forwarding! has everybody forgotten the many games before this that required that as well? Warcraft 3? Starcraft? Warhammer 40k? Red Faction?
Oh noes anyway, port forwarding! has everybody forgotten the many games before this that required that as well? Warcraft 3? Starcraft? Warhammer 40k? Red Faction?