Killing Hirohito wouldn't do anything as he was a figure head. Kill Tojo and other fascists.henritje said:
stop World War 2 in as few steps as possible
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fire on the troops when hitler marched into the rheinland, he would be too afraid to actually invade anywhere else if he couldn't even invade part of germany.
now, japan and italy would not even consider war if it were not for germany allying with them to create a stronger army
now, japan and italy would not even consider war if it were not for germany allying with them to create a stronger army
France and England assists Poland. . . Poland doesnt fall, Russia ceases its alliance with Germany. Target doesnt seem as easy as before , Germany doesnt fall but quits attacking Poland and turns its eyes to Finland. (After Finland) They start cutting down the military until its on equal footing to those around as a defense but not as an attack.
Result: Germany is 3 times bigger than when the war started. A lot less casualties (On the European front). UN, EU, Nato. Was never formed (Possibly resulting in another European war at a later date). And chances are if Japan was not allied with Germany they would not have bombed Pearl Harbor. US would not have dropped bombs on Japan. Japan could not unhindered murder millions of more Chinese people because. . . The west doesnt really care that much about China back then. And the world would look a whole lot different.
Too simple. Another step.
Hitler became a good guy. The end.
Shortest war. Evah.
Result: Germany is 3 times bigger than when the war started. A lot less casualties (On the European front). UN, EU, Nato. Was never formed (Possibly resulting in another European war at a later date). And chances are if Japan was not allied with Germany they would not have bombed Pearl Harbor. US would not have dropped bombs on Japan. Japan could not unhindered murder millions of more Chinese people because. . . The west doesnt really care that much about China back then. And the world would look a whole lot different.
Too simple. Another step.
Hitler became a good guy. The end.
Shortest war. Evah.
Actually make the treaty of Versailles just that a treaty and not a whole sale mockery of the german people (who suffered just as much as anyone if not more in ww1).
Prevent the french from occupying the industrial heartland during the great depression because of Germanies inability to meet the draconian war debt levies placed upon her (I think the figure was something like more gold than existed in the entire world at the time or something as ridiculous), and thereby destabilising the fledgling democratic weimar republic, hence keeping free radicals out of the spectrum of power.
If Germany had not had such strain on it after the losses the people were already suffering from ww1, the war debt levies not to mention the dismantling of their very national government structure and dare I say threat to their national identity.
I'm pretty sure there would have been no where near the resentment for a militant nationalist order like the nazis to seize upon and plunge the world into another war.
And if Britain had actually landed their expeditionary force in Poland (where in my opinion they put up a hell of a better fight than the frogs in the face of insurmountable odds) when the germans made their move on Czechoslovakia. That would have gone a long way to preventing the escalation that resulted from the germans been able to retool and expand their military with czech stockpiles.
Or the Americans could have just sent L Ron Hubbard to sort it all out.
Prevent the french from occupying the industrial heartland during the great depression because of Germanies inability to meet the draconian war debt levies placed upon her (I think the figure was something like more gold than existed in the entire world at the time or something as ridiculous), and thereby destabilising the fledgling democratic weimar republic, hence keeping free radicals out of the spectrum of power.
If Germany had not had such strain on it after the losses the people were already suffering from ww1, the war debt levies not to mention the dismantling of their very national government structure and dare I say threat to their national identity.
I'm pretty sure there would have been no where near the resentment for a militant nationalist order like the nazis to seize upon and plunge the world into another war.
And if Britain had actually landed their expeditionary force in Poland (where in my opinion they put up a hell of a better fight than the frogs in the face of insurmountable odds) when the germans made their move on Czechoslovakia. That would have gone a long way to preventing the escalation that resulted from the germans been able to retool and expand their military with czech stockpiles.
Or the Americans could have just sent L Ron Hubbard to sort it all out.
you don't, humanity learned too much from WWII. From the UN to the creation of the word "genocide" man learns more WAR then any other act. Medical advances from concentration camps, unifying nations, womens rights, and the end of the the Great Depression.
No. I wouldn't stop WWII if I had the chance, but I'd still hate myself for letting it begin.
No. I wouldn't stop WWII if I had the chance, but I'd still hate myself for letting it begin.
I figure the easiest way is to kill Archduke Franz's uncle - King of Austria-Hungary...
Probably as early as 1910, Franz would need to a covertly poison his uncle Franz Josef. Then he could rise to power and enact his personally planned reforms -an overhaul of the Hapsburg empire (check wiki).
With greater representation in this newly reformed country, the slavs, serbs, croats, and other ethnic minorities will have less to gripe about. Also this would stop them from needlessly involving other countries like russia and germany- horrible entangling alliances. Also the Black hand may not reaffirm its serbian nationalistic goals in 1911 or may completely disband.
Nationalist fervor will still continue in Germany and Japan but without WWI, Japan will not cease German colonies in the east like the port at Tsingtao. Only regional and territorial disputes will erupt.
To continue with this alteration to world events, the great famine in russia in 1921 would bring down the Romanov family and raise a socialist/possible communist state. Japan would would have anxiety over this new Russia.
Other than that, the Great Depression will occur but just a little different- financial contagion due to speculation. Spanish flu probably wouldn't be pandemic or develop at all. And probably no one reading this will exist.
How's that for a butterfly effect.
Probably as early as 1910, Franz would need to a covertly poison his uncle Franz Josef. Then he could rise to power and enact his personally planned reforms -an overhaul of the Hapsburg empire (check wiki).
With greater representation in this newly reformed country, the slavs, serbs, croats, and other ethnic minorities will have less to gripe about. Also this would stop them from needlessly involving other countries like russia and germany- horrible entangling alliances. Also the Black hand may not reaffirm its serbian nationalistic goals in 1911 or may completely disband.
Nationalist fervor will still continue in Germany and Japan but without WWI, Japan will not cease German colonies in the east like the port at Tsingtao. Only regional and territorial disputes will erupt.
To continue with this alteration to world events, the great famine in russia in 1921 would bring down the Romanov family and raise a socialist/possible communist state. Japan would would have anxiety over this new Russia.
Other than that, the Great Depression will occur but just a little different- financial contagion due to speculation. Spanish flu probably wouldn't be pandemic or develop at all. And probably no one reading this will exist.
How's that for a butterfly effect.
Sorry, old bean, but you're forgetting that all the world leaders would be at this super fantastic party. Granted, Hitler'd be pretty peeved, but the British prime minister wouldn't let a British citizen be assassinated would he? Especially one with a laptop loaded with wikipedia entries on everything i've just PREVENTED! Yea, damn straight.TacticalAssassin1 said:
Of course, maybe that'd be a paradox; i'd have the laptop, but WW2 wouldn't exist, meaning the page would be replaced with something else...oh DEAR GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE.
Allow Germany to win World War I by sabotaging Parisian taxi cabs during the Battle of the Marne.
Simple really.
Simple really.
Surprised how everyone thinks that killing individuals (even if they were influential individuals) could stop a world war. It was always coming, with international tension etc. etc. especially in the FE. I'm all for keeping individuals alive.
Anyway to go with the mood: Kill Otto von Bismarck in 1867 = no Germany = balance of power maintained in Europe (at least for a couple decades). The Franco-Prussian war may still have happened, but the result would have been more even.
Seriously, though:
If I had the power, I'd convince Frederick III not to take up smoking. When he assumes the throne 1888, he's not already half-dead from throat cancer (or something like that). As per his wishes, the German Empire becomes the German Commonwealth (i.e. constitutional monarchy with a federal government similar to modern Germany's system, each state having their own constitution, all under the purview of an expanded Zollverein), Bismarck is sacked if he starts any trouble. Reconstitute the Grand Duchy of Warsaw (to appease the Poles and to piss off the Russians), grant relative autonomy to the Duchies of Elsass-Lothringen (to piss off the French... I will forever rant that what France did to them was waaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than what the Germans did), cede Lower Schleswig to the Danes as a gesture of good will to them (nigh worthless anyway), but demand the Heligoland in return (using such diplomatic language as being 'defender of the Baltic').
Politically isolate France and Austro-Hungary (Bismarck was doing the former anyway well into the 1880's). Confirm alliances with Spain (purely for show, but ensures France will be surrounded by enemies if they play the aggressor), Denmark (and help them rebuild their navy, in case Russia starts anything) & Britain (no-brainer, since direct in-laws in power).
This then means that Germany controls land trade in Europe, while Britain controls sea trade (effectively). The Russian Revolution doesn't occur (unless Nicholas II is dumb enough to invade Poland) as the Germans have no reason to shelter Lenin. Even if Archduke FF is assassinated, the Germans won't intercede on their behalf (there's no benefit to them whatsoever), so Austrians vs. Serbs = shit army vs small army, stalemate after a year, guerrilla fighting for another two, the rest of Europe mediates after and partitions the Austro-Hungarian Empire, giving Serbia it's own autonomy, Hungary likewise gains independence along with Romania, leaving Germany to boss it in central Europe.
Therefore, major war will be Russia vs Germany: Britain sides with Germany (family and bad blood from Crimean War), France sides with Russia (dislike of... well everyone else). Japan sides with Germany for their own interests, but with the RN and KM in the pacific, they are curtailed in their expansion south for political (as opposed to military) reasons. Danes and Germans bottle up the Baltic straits, and we all know what happens when a Japanese fleet and Russian fleet duke it out. There's no stake in it for the Americans (and as they are still pursuing isolationist policy), they do nothing. The Ottomans start their own war by invading the Balkans again. Russia's armies are tied up in northern Europe, so Turkey and Austria start giving each other sneers again. Eventual result: draw, Treaty of St. Petersburg: Russia cedes some of its eastern territories to Japan, grants independence to Ukraine and Crimea, Poland (including that originally controlled by Russia) arises as a protectorate of Germany (with own government, but under suzerainty from Brandenburg), north east China is occupied by a mixture of European militaries after much wrangling to try squeezing out the Japanese (personally, I'd rather have seen a partition, but never mind).
Next war: Ottomans vs. Austria. Germany comes to the latter's rescue, absorbs them into the Zollverein.
Can't be bothered to conjecture further.
And we're back where we were in 1710! ... sort of. Except that Prussia/Bavaria/Baden-Wurttemburg etc. = Germany. And Erich von Lewinski is German Chief of Staff in the 1930's!! LOL
Anyway to go with the mood: Kill Otto von Bismarck in 1867 = no Germany = balance of power maintained in Europe (at least for a couple decades). The Franco-Prussian war may still have happened, but the result would have been more even.
Seriously, though:
If I had the power, I'd convince Frederick III not to take up smoking. When he assumes the throne 1888, he's not already half-dead from throat cancer (or something like that). As per his wishes, the German Empire becomes the German Commonwealth (i.e. constitutional monarchy with a federal government similar to modern Germany's system, each state having their own constitution, all under the purview of an expanded Zollverein), Bismarck is sacked if he starts any trouble. Reconstitute the Grand Duchy of Warsaw (to appease the Poles and to piss off the Russians), grant relative autonomy to the Duchies of Elsass-Lothringen (to piss off the French... I will forever rant that what France did to them was waaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than what the Germans did), cede Lower Schleswig to the Danes as a gesture of good will to them (nigh worthless anyway), but demand the Heligoland in return (using such diplomatic language as being 'defender of the Baltic').
Politically isolate France and Austro-Hungary (Bismarck was doing the former anyway well into the 1880's). Confirm alliances with Spain (purely for show, but ensures France will be surrounded by enemies if they play the aggressor), Denmark (and help them rebuild their navy, in case Russia starts anything) & Britain (no-brainer, since direct in-laws in power).
This then means that Germany controls land trade in Europe, while Britain controls sea trade (effectively). The Russian Revolution doesn't occur (unless Nicholas II is dumb enough to invade Poland) as the Germans have no reason to shelter Lenin. Even if Archduke FF is assassinated, the Germans won't intercede on their behalf (there's no benefit to them whatsoever), so Austrians vs. Serbs = shit army vs small army, stalemate after a year, guerrilla fighting for another two, the rest of Europe mediates after and partitions the Austro-Hungarian Empire, giving Serbia it's own autonomy, Hungary likewise gains independence along with Romania, leaving Germany to boss it in central Europe.
Therefore, major war will be Russia vs Germany: Britain sides with Germany (family and bad blood from Crimean War), France sides with Russia (dislike of... well everyone else). Japan sides with Germany for their own interests, but with the RN and KM in the pacific, they are curtailed in their expansion south for political (as opposed to military) reasons. Danes and Germans bottle up the Baltic straits, and we all know what happens when a Japanese fleet and Russian fleet duke it out. There's no stake in it for the Americans (and as they are still pursuing isolationist policy), they do nothing. The Ottomans start their own war by invading the Balkans again. Russia's armies are tied up in northern Europe, so Turkey and Austria start giving each other sneers again. Eventual result: draw, Treaty of St. Petersburg: Russia cedes some of its eastern territories to Japan, grants independence to Ukraine and Crimea, Poland (including that originally controlled by Russia) arises as a protectorate of Germany (with own government, but under suzerainty from Brandenburg), north east China is occupied by a mixture of European militaries after much wrangling to try squeezing out the Japanese (personally, I'd rather have seen a partition, but never mind).
Next war: Ottomans vs. Austria. Germany comes to the latter's rescue, absorbs them into the Zollverein.
Can't be bothered to conjecture further.
And we're back where we were in 1710! ... sort of. Except that Prussia/Bavaria/Baden-Wurttemburg etc. = Germany. And Erich von Lewinski is German Chief of Staff in the 1930's!! LOL
You don't try to stop it, it was shit and awful wast of life BUT it was an important part of human history. Without it meany of the advances in medicine, materials, electronics, physics, chemistry, economics, philosophy, aviation, mechanics, construction, agriculture, etc.. would not have happened or would have been delayed in development.
If you really have to change something about our history then change the middle ages so that the church/religion never rises to a position that would allow it to hamper the progress of science as it did. Imagine where we would be today if that never happened.
If you really have to change something about our history then change the middle ages so that the church/religion never rises to a position that would allow it to hamper the progress of science as it did. Imagine where we would be today if that never happened.
you relise that the church was the sole point of everyones life because life was horrible and the church offered salvation, had the church allowed science to continue it really wouldnt effect the layman, that and with out the crusades we would not have the trading routes which caused the black death which caused the renaissance.x EvilErmine x said: